GOP plans vote to reinstate pre-existing condition exclusions, Medicare "Donut Hole."

[manimal]

Bwahahaha! The CBO just annouced the repeal bill currently in the house will raise the deficit $230B, way to go repubs

everyone knows the CBO is run by Micheal Moore and secretly hides Obama's real birth certificate...oh forgot to mention they also protect rapelisberger from rape charges too...

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

You can't read. I'm tired of spelling it out for you. The comment 'no one wanted a better healthcare system' is what I was answering and your post is some other rant.

If I find one person who did, it's relevant to answering the claim 'no one did'. I found many more and your 'what passed into law' is not relevant.

But you appear to not even know what relevant means.

Fine, implying the point doesn't work with you. I have to spell it out. Progressives didn't want a "better" health-care option at all. They wanted more regulation and a mandated product. Forcing people to buy health insurance that they can already buy is not universal health care. In addition, all the new regulations will make it more expensive. Nothing run by the government is ever efficient. Having the government run everything is the cornerstone of socialism, such that the people are dependent upon it. Hell, only 53% of Americans actually pay federal income tax. The other 47% probably LOVE socialism and free health-care!

 

[SammyJr]

Fine, implying the point doesn't work with you. I have to spell it out. Progressives didn't want a "better" health-care option at all. They wanted more regulation and a mandated product. Forcing people to buy health insurance that they can already buy is not universal health care.

I don't know too many progressives who want to force people to buy health insurance from a for-profit company. You're thinking of Corporate Democrats. There is a difference.

In addition, all the new regulations will make it more expensive. Nothing run by the government is ever efficient. Having the government run everything is the cornerstone of socialism, such that the people are dependent upon it. Hell, only 53% of Americans actually pay federal income tax. The other 47% probably LOVE socialism and free health-care!

Articles of faith. Besides, you're dependent on the military for protection from outside enemies and every good righty/faux libertarian loves them some military!

I pay lots of taxes, am a progressive, and am opposed to ObamaCare. I wanted a true bipartisan solution.

From the left: Medicare for All - essentially an 80/20 coinsurance situation, Medicaid covering 20% for the poor, the VA covering 20% for vets plus combat injuries, etc.
From the right: nearly unregulated private insurance for the remaining 20% - insurers could sell across state lines and bundle/unbundle any coverage or perk they want, employers could offer insurance or not, healthy people can opt out

The above solution works really well in France and for American teapartiers - they enjoy Medicare and private supplemental plans.

 

[Jhhnn]

Fine, implying the point doesn't work with you. I have to spell it out. Progressives didn't want a "better" health-care option at all. They wanted more regulation and a mandated product. Forcing people to buy health insurance that they can already buy is not universal health care. In addition, all the new regulations will make it more expensive. Nothing run by the government is ever efficient. Having the government run everything is the cornerstone of socialism, such that the people are dependent upon it. Hell, only 53% of Americans actually pay federal income tax. The other 47% probably LOVE socialism and free health-care!

That's incorrect, based on the usual wingnut hatred of govt. SS, for example, has extremely low administrative costs when compared to private retirement plans.

Don't let the simple fact that other first world nations with socialized healthcare (France, for example) deliver better aggregate results at lower cost interfere with the formulation of your opinion.

Or are you saying that the reason it works for them and not for us is that we're incompetent? That cheese eating surrender monkeys are more together?

 

[theeedude]

It's ridiculous that there are plans that are saying that taking a 20% cut is not enough for them. Seriously, if you are leeching 20% of healthcare spending without providing any health care, and that's still not enough, you have no business being around.