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GOP plans vote to reinstate pre-existing condition exclusions, Medicare "Donut Hole."

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matt0611 said:
Sure it does. "Uhhh uh commerce clause...uhh general welfare....uhh must be here somewhere" 😀😀😀
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You might not agree with it, but it cites it. Where is the citation for Constitutional Authority in the repeal bill as required by "The Pledge"? No where.

:awe:
 
her209 said:
You might not agree with it, but it cites it. Where is the citation for Constitutional Authority in the repeal bill as required by "The Pledge"? No where.

:awe:
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You're right, they should do it, is this the final bill?

I mean, we're talking about repealing a law right? Obviously its constitutional but it should cite it if they want to follow the new rules, I agree.
 
Craig234 said:
The progressives, who wanted a better universal healthcare system, and who got the public option passed in the House, did.
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Do you know what the bill even is? It's not some magical piece of paper that grants everyone health care. It's a 2000-page-long nightmare that creates thousands of new regulations which will drive up costs, and it does nothing to mitigate the malpractice lawsuit problems that make healthcare so expensive. It's a piece of shit.
 
ConstipatedVigilante said:
It's a 2000-page-long nightmare that creates thousands of new regulations which will drive up costs, and it does nothing to mitigate the malpractice lawsuit problems that make healthcare so expensive. It's a piece of shit.
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Really tort reform will fix it?

Torts are 1.5 percent of medical costs...

http://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs

Stop listening to talking points and believing them to be the truth. Tort reform should happen but it certainly isn't going to save health care.
 
senseamp said:
Obstructionism is good because allowing insurers to rescind coverage when people get sick and to drop kids from coverage due to pre-existing conditions is evil.
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Correct, but that is now what they want to repeal.

What they want to repeal is forcing insurance companies to cover someone who does not have coverage but does have a pre existing condition at the same rate as someone who is 100% healthy.
 
IBMer said:
Really tort reform will fix it?

Torts are 1.5 percent of medical costs...

http://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs

Stop listening to talking points and believing them to be the truth. Tort reform should happen but it certainly isn't going to save health care.
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It's not just about the insurance costs. Good doctors close their practices, or choose not to practice certain parts of their specialties because of the high rates of liability. That makes it harder to find a good doctor, and the ones who are stay in business can make a killing on doing those legally risky appointments/operations.
 
Patranus said:
Correct, but that is now what they want to repeal.
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Indeed it is what they now want to repeal. Prohibition of rescissions and discrimination against preexisting conditions, help to seniors in the Medicare donut hole, and a bunch of other goodies in the health care bill.
 
BTW, Republicans exempted the repeal bill from their own rules that it be deficit neutral, because it will add to the deficit. They also excluded it from their own rules allowing amendments, because they know that most of the actual provisions of the health care reform are wildly popular.
 
Careful what you wish for Repubs, repealing this brings us one step closer to single payer healthcare.

The current private industry model is unsustainable will collapse on itself at some point.

But hey, if thats what you want to stick with go nuts.
 
ConstipatedVigilante said:
Do you know what the bill even is? It's not some magical piece of paper that grants everyone health care. It's a 2000-page-long nightmare that creates thousands of new regulations which will drive up costs, and it does nothing to mitigate the malpractice lawsuit problems that make healthcare so expensive. It's a piece of shit.
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You can't read.

I'll lay it out for you.

Someone said, criticizing the healthcare bill, 'too bad no one wanted a better healthcare system'.

That says that no one wanted something better than the bill that passed.

That is completely wrong, as I explained. Progressives wanted a better system - they wanted universal healtchare, and if they couldn't get it, a public option.

They passed the public option in the House.

Your response doesn't address my post at all.
 
matt0611 said:
I wish this thing would get repealed, but thats not going to happen, at least not in the next 2 years.

I still don't get what liberals see in Obamacare though?
Just seems like a gift to the insurance companies and we will all pay more.

I mean, I could see if we were doing full socialized medicine with medicare for all or something like that but honestly, you guys really like this bill?
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This bill moves regulatory authority from the states to the federal government. And everyone knows this is the first step toward bankrupting private insurance companies via regulatory action and incrementalism. Both those things make this bill holy to progressives, even granted that the bill itself is a POS.

Personally I'd love to see Obamacare repealed and replaced with mandates for states to provide plans with near 100% coverage. But neither is going to happen. This is simply the GOP fulfilling a campaign promise. Whilst I appreciate candidates and parties doing what they said they would do, it's kind of a hollow gesture knowing that it's foredoomed.
 
The real news here isn't just that the Republicans are voting to eliminate the benefits of the new bill, and add many billions more to the deficit.

It's that after regaining the House after years, that the most important thing to do isn't ANY actual policy - it's a symbolic ideological vote on something that has no chance.

I'm not saying they shouldn't pass their symbolic vote, but making it their first big vote shows how little they have in real policies - even bad ones.
 
Craig234 said:
You can't read.

I'll lay it out for you.

Someone said, criticizing the healthcare bill, 'too bad no one wanted a better healthcare system'.

That says that no one wanted something better than the bill that passed.

That is completely wrong, as I explained. Progressives wanted a better system - they wanted universal healtchare, and if they couldn't get it, a public option.

They passed the public option in the House.

Your response doesn't address my post at all.
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Yes it does. There is no "public option." According to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_insurance_option

The public option failed in the senate. Besides, this idea of Universal Health Care doesn't work. It's going to be as big as social security without any extra source of funding.

I don't know what you're referring to with regards to the law that was passed in the Senate. I'm talking about what has been passed into LAW, not what bills were tossed around the House before Obama signed the paper.
 
Craig234 said:
The progressives, who wanted a better universal healthcare system, and who got the public option passed in the House, did.
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And a relatively simple thing like an oil spill got a blue ribbon panel and health care had no equivalent. The only thing considered is who controls health care, nothing about improving the system from the bottom up.

I've said many times what could work, but what the system needs isn't what the politicians and various factions want which is control.
 
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ConstipatedVigilante said:
Yes it does. There is no "public option." According to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_insurance_option

The public option failed in the senate. Besides, this idea of Universal Health Care doesn't work. It's going to be as big as social security without any extra source of funding.

I don't know what you're referring to with regards to the law that was passed in the Senate. I'm talking about what has been passed into LAW, not what bills were tossed around the House before Obama signed the paper.
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You can't read. I'm tired of spelling it out for you. The comment 'no one wanted a better healthcare system' is what I was answering and your post is some other rant.

If I find one person who did, it's relevant to answering the claim 'no one did'. I found many more and your 'what passed into law' is not relevant.

But you appear to not even know what relevant means.
 
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When Dems run ads that truthfully say that GOP members voted to raise healthcare costs on seniors and allow insurance companies to rescind coverage on sick people, GOP will have some explaining to do. I don't think just saying, we voted against Obamacare like we promised is going to cut it.
 
IBMer said:
Really tort reform will fix it?

Torts are 1.5 percent of medical costs...

http://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs

Stop listening to talking points and believing them to be the truth. Tort reform should happen but it certainly isn't going to save health care.
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I had a long conversation at a dinner party with two partners at the largest firm here in indanapolis a few days before Christmas. Though they may be conservative they laughed out loud at the basic premise of tort reform having any discernible impact on costs...

The doctor at the table then laughed about the defensive medicine flim flam as well..
 
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