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GOP alienating Latino voters

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/opinion/navarrette-gop-debate/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3

In a popular fable, a scorpion asks a frog to carry him across a river. The frog resists at first, afraid that the scorpion will sting him. The scorpion points out that -- as a practical matter -- if he stings the frog, they both die. The frog gives in. Halfway across, the scorpion does in fact sting the frog and they both drown. Why would the scorpion do that, the frog asks. The scorpion responds that he can't help it, that this is his nature.
The moral: Some creatures can't control their natural impulses, even if it would lead to their own demise.

It's the same way with Republicans when they discuss immigration, as the four remaining GOP presidential hopefuls did Wednesday night during the CNN debate in Mesa, Arizona.

Yes, that Arizona. This is, after all, the state where lawmakers, in 2010, started a poisonous national trend by approving what was up to that point the toughest immigration law in the country, not to mention one of the most constitutionally flimsy, judging by the fact that a federal court a few months later struck down most of the measure, saying that the state had overstepped its authority in trying to regulate federal immigration policy.

Arizona's stringent immigration law, known as SB 1070, essentially sanctions ethnic profiling by forcing local and state law enforcement officers to determine the citizenship of anyone they suspect is in the country illegally. In Arizona, that kind of language targets Latinos -- plain and simple. This isn't just offensive, but also ironic given that there have been Latinos in the state since before the U.S. acquired it during the U.S.-Mexican War of 1847.
So, it was expected that the Republican candidates would be asked about immigration during the debate. But did they have to do such a poor job of responding? Couldn't they have, for just one night, ditched the sound bites, put on ice the pandering to nativists and restrictionists in the GOP base, and been more thoughtful and candid about how we got here and what we should do now?

The stakes are high. If the GOP doesn't get immigration right, it will be DOA. Republicans won't be winning many presidential elections for the rest of this century if they continue to alienate Latino voters because of the cruel, arrogant, simplistic and dishonest way in which many of them approach this vexing issue.

Demographics are not on their side; U.S Census officials estimate that Latinos could account for as much as 30% of the population by 2050. As many as 10 million Latinos are expected to cast ballots in the 2012 election. And every year, another 500,000 U.S.-born Latinos reach voting age.

Yet it is in the Republicans' nature to talk about immigration in ways that downplay the responsibility of U.S. employers that hire illegal immigrants; portray illegal immigrants as takers and freeloaders who sponge off hard-working Americans; deny that -- as Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said recently -- some of the rhetoric coming from their base is "harsh, intolerable and inexcusable"; and reinforce the narrative that states like Arizona were flooded by illegal immigrants through no fault of their own and now have to do everything they can to secure the U.S.-Mexico border and run off intruders.

Meanwhile, out of Wonderland and back in reality, we know that we wouldn't have illegal immigrants if we didn't have people hiring them for their strong work ethic and willingness to work cheaply. And we know that those illegal immigrants contribute to the economy by doing jobs that Americans won't do. Rubio is right that Republicans go over the line with their rhetoric, which often starts out as anti-illegal immigrant but winds up sounding anti-Latino. States like Arizona -- in fueling its own growth and development during the 1990s -- all but recruited the same illegal immigrant population they now complain about, and the Obama administration has gone overboard in enforcing immigration law by deporting more illegal immigrants than any administration in half a century -- 1.2 million and counting.

No Republican presidential hopeful had the guts to say any of that Wednesday night. There were no heroes on that stage, no profiles in courage, no one willing to tell the crowd gathered in Arizona not what they wanted to hear, but what they needed to hear.
When someone from the audience -- who identified himself as Jerry Lott from Key Man, Arizona -- got the discussion going by suggesting that the state was "under federal attack just for wanting to secure the border," no one corrected him. Not one of the Republican candidates for president pointed out that the federal government was suing Arizona not for trying to keep out additional illegal immigrants along the border, but for mistreating people who are already here, including many U.S. citizens who deserve better.

Remember, these are the same Republicans who -- in the foreign policy space -- are trying to convince voters that they'll stand up to thugs, tyrants and madmen in an unfriendly world.

Sure. These cowards don't even have the courage to go before a friendly audience and stand up for the truth.

It's an opinion piece by Ruben Navarrette Jr., who is quite obviously biased in these matters... so take it with a grain of salt, but I think he does get a couple things right:

1. We wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem if no one was hiring illegal immigrants.

2. The GOP is in long-term trouble if they don't strike the right balance in their rhetoric and policy choices.
 
Latinos,blacks,poor people,Teachers, Unions,Public sector workers,Muslims and now Women who is next on the GOP hit list?
 
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/opinion/navarrette-gop-debate/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3



It's an opinion piece by Ruben Navarrette Jr., who is quite obviously biased in these matters... so take it with a grain of salt, but I think he does get a couple things right:

1. We wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem if no one was hiring illegal immigrants.

2. The GOP is in long-term trouble if they don't strike the right balance in their rhetoric and policy choices.

And to be clear, Ruben Navarette is a pretty conservative guy on most things. He's an old alumnus of the San Diego Union-Tribune and I have had the misfortune of reading quite a few irritating OP-ED pieces from him.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/23/opinion/navarrette-gop-debate/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3



It's an opinion piece by Ruben Navarrette Jr., who is quite obviously biased in these matters... so take it with a grain of salt, but I think he does get a couple things right:

1. We wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem if no one was hiring illegal immigrants.

2. The GOP is in long-term trouble if they don't strike the right balance in their rhetoric and policy choices.

The GOP is incredibly xenophobic an example of this is their homophobic rhetoric.

What I find amazing is that the Republicans have attacked Afro-Americans, Women, Latin-Americans, the Poor, the middle class, and the unemployed. What other voting block will that attack next?
They have to be praying that the economy crashes by October 2012.
 
By all means let illegals have free access. That's apparently what it will take to win the latino vote. Oh yeah let them vote too.
 
By all means let illegals have free access. That's apparently what it will take to win the latino vote. Oh yeah let them vote too.

This is true for any voting block the dems accuse the GOP of attacking. End affirmative action... you are attacking blacks... cutting off unemployment at 99 weeks... you are attacking the unemployed, mentioning illegal immigration is a problem... attacking latinos. asking for an id when you vote... well you are attacking the whole lot of them.

What a wonderful world when the dems kiss ass of all these voting blocs who keep encouraging people to be more dependent on the government teet. Its all fun and games until there is no one left to pay all the bills.
 
Let's pursue employers of illegals as vigorously as we pursue illegals themselves. Is that so hard to advocate?
 
This is true for any voting block the dems accuse the GOP of attacking. End affirmative action... you are attacking blacks... cutting off unemployment at 99 weeks... you are attacking the unemployed, mentioning illegal immigration is a problem... attacking latinos. asking for an id when you vote... well you are attacking the whole lot of them.

What a wonderful world when the dems kiss ass of all these voting blocs who keep encouraging people to be more dependent on the government teet. Its all fun and games until there is no one left to pay all the bills.

It gets fun though when the interests of those blocs start to clash, like when cheap illegal labor starts undermining unions. Fun times!
 
Let's pursue employers of illegals as vigorously as we pursue illegals themselves. Is that so hard to advocate?

I'm on board with this. If there's no jobs, they won't come. Problem is 40% of all domestic help is illegal and it'd be nearly impossible to stop that.
 
We intend to protect the sovereignty of our nation. Anyone who feels badly about that can go f' off.

Polling actually indicates that the LEGAL Hispanics are fine with controlling the border. It's mostly the illegals that have a problem with it.
 
We intend to protect the sovereignty of our nation. Anyone who feels badly about that can go f' off.

Polling actually indicates that the LEGAL Hispanics are fine with controlling the border. It's mostly the illegals that have a problem with it.

That's fine, but are you suggesting that employers of illegals are not part of the problem?

Why is it so goddamn difficult for that to be a part of the discussion in conservative circles? Yes, we need to secure the border... but we also need to punish those who knowingly employ and house illegals.
 
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And drive without insurance or a valid license. If you oppose this, you're simply a racist!
Good ol America :thumbsup:

It seems strange how certain groups within the US almost act like they want to destroy the US as quickly as possible. I'm of eastern European decent. Do you think I would support a bill that would allow hundreds of thousands of uneducated Slavic people into Canada? Fuck no. I don't care if they're loosely related to me. It would ruin the country. Why would the "Latino community" want to open up immigration and allow millions of peasants into the US?

Strangely, legal Asian immigrants seem to take the harshest position on illegal immigration. The people who go through mountains of red tape to move from South Korea to Canada are the ones who say "sink it" when the coast guard finds a boat full of Chinese refugees trying to sneak in.
 
Green cards are too easy to forge and the GOP strenuously opposes national identity papers. Meanwhile farmers in Alabama and Arizona are going broke because they can't find enough workers.

But I agree, the solution to illegal immigration is to prevent Americans from hiring them.
 
That's fine, but are you suggesting that employers of illegals are not part of the problem?

Why is it so goddamn difficult for that to be a part of the discussion in conservative circles? Yes, we need to secure the border... but we also need to punish those who knowingly employ and house illegals.

That's fine but what conservative has said otherwise. Just because there are no conservative lawmakers advocating for this enforcement doesn't mean they don't/wouldn't support it. Maybe they just choose to pick other battles to fight (even if you don't agree with those either). Not bringing up legislation != non support of such legislation.

I am trying to find out how its always a conservative business hiring cheap illegal labor and never a liberal business. Or, holy shit batman, the hiring of illegals has nothing to do with the political motivations of the business/owner but rather is motivated solely by cost savings.
 
Yawn, another liberal lefty apologist trying to placate the politically-correct establishment. You wanna go after the employers of illegals, fine, but don't pretend like the illegals themselves are not responsible for their own actions.
 
By all means let illegals have free access. That's apparently what it will take to win the latino vote. Oh yeah let them vote too.

"Free access" is off point to the OP's article as that was not a given opinion. Those who think the GOP is off the reservation about this have a variety of opinions on the specifics of immigration. For example, my own position is that I want to see the border secured. Then and only then it will be constructive to talk about a path to citizenship for those already here. I don't think we can continue to have a porous border, but at the same time I don't have ill will toward those who cross it to have a better life. I don't see why those two positions are incompatible.

I largely agree with the OP's article. The GOP IS alienating latino voters by implying that these immigrants are a bunch of sponging freeloaders. Illegal immigration is a problem, but vilifying the immigrants is not the solution. Vilifying the immigrants is just red meat for the GOP base.
 
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That's fine but what conservative has said otherwise. Just because there are no conservative lawmakers advocating for this enforcement doesn't mean they don't/wouldn't support it. Maybe they just choose to pick other battles to fight (even if you don't agree with those either). Not bringing up legislation != non support of such legislation.

That's the mother of all cop-outs. If they're really serious about fighting the illegal immigration problem they should advocate and propose things that address both the supply and demand parts of the problem. Instead, they pick the supply side... simply because it's more politically beneficial to do so.

I am trying to find out how its always a conservative business hiring cheap illegal labor and never a liberal business. Or, holy shit batman, the hiring of illegals has nothing to do with the political motivations of the business/owner but rather is motivated solely by cost savings.

Oh, I don't care what business it is or what the ideological/political views of a landlord or employer are... if they're knowingly hiring illegals they should be punished for it.
 
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