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GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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What will GOP ACA Replacement look like?

  • It won't happen, they won't pass either repeal or replacement

    Votes: 29 28.7%

  • It won't happen, they will only repeal and not replace

    Votes: 8 7.9%

  • Replacement will look mostly like ACA, except worse

    Votes: 45 44.6%

  • Replacement will look mostly like ACA, except better

    Votes: 5 5.0%

  • Replacement will look completely different from ACA, except worse

    Votes: 14 13.9%

  • Replacement will look completely different from ACA, except better

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    101
SMOGZINN said:
I've pointed that out several times. Even when you just look at the ACA market insurance companies are making a hefty profit off of it. They are leaving the markets for political reasons more than direct financial ones. The danger of the ACA market has always been that the politicians are arguing too much about the markets, not that there was not enough profit in it.
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Very important to remember that when it comes to the ACA that the part referred to as in 'crisis' is the individual private sector, which comprises about 9% of the market. You can easily have a 'crisis' in the individual market while having a very profitable business in the rest of it.
 
fskimospy said:
Very important to remember that when it comes to the ACA that the part referred to as in 'crisis' is the individual private sector, which comprises about 9% of the market. You can easily have a 'crisis' in the individual market while having a very profitable business in the rest of it.
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That is what I am saying, even when you look at just that market segment, they are making a profit. It might not be as large of a profit as they would like, but they are not hurting.
 
SMOGZINN said:
That is what I am saying, even when you look at just that market segment, they are making a profit. It might not be as large of a profit as they would like, but they are not hurting.
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Hmm, that's not what the links supplied say as they talk about profits overall. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just haven't seen data that shows that.
 
This 'new' bill has the same result as all the previous ones. Tens of millions of new uninsured and a return to people with pre-existing conditions getting screwed.
 
fskimospy said:
This 'new' bill has the same result as all the previous ones. Tens of millions of new uninsured and a return to people with pre-existing conditions getting screwed.
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Yup, and they’ll still fail spectacularly, for all to see. So really I’m all for it.
 
I'm not so sure that this won't pass. McConnell has already ask the CBO to score it so it wouldn't surprise me if it comes to a vote quickly. Rand Paul came out against it but in the end, he will vote for it like he has every other time. Now whether the three GOP Senators that voted against the skinny repeal last time vote against this is anyone's guess. I'm sure that it won't take effect until after the next election cycle or maybe the 2020 elections....enough time for people to forget about who voted for this steaming pile.

The GOP and T-Rump are desperate to get a so-called win with their base. They're not smart enough to realize that this isn't it.
 
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I don't feel good about this vote. The others had a ton of public outcry and resistance. This one, nothing at all. We've been hit by a couple hurricanes, there's a ton of other political noise going on. And everyone is sort of sleeping on this having been sent to bed. This one is much more sneaky and sinister. I'm not sure there's going to be enough no's to go around on the Republican side here.
 
vi edit said:
I don't feel good about this vote. The others had a ton of public outcry and resistance. This one, nothing at all. We've been hit by a couple hurricanes, there's a ton of other political noise going on. And everyone is sort of sleeping on this having been sent to bed. This one is much more sneaky and sinister. I'm not sure there's going to be enough no's to go around on the Republican side here.
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Can we pause for a moment and think about just how insane this is? You are worried that Congress is about to massively overhaul 1/5th of the economy with a bill that no one has debated, that lacks a CBO score, and will be passed basically in secret if they can get away with it.

This is how totally unable to govern conservatives are. They are terrified of people learning about what they are trying to do.
 
vi edit said:
I don't feel good about this vote. The others had a ton of public outcry and resistance. This one, nothing at all. We've been hit by a couple hurricanes, there's a ton of other political noise going on. And everyone is sort of sleeping on this having been sent to bed. This one is much more sneaky and sinister. I'm not sure there's going to be enough no's to go around on the Republican side here.
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Yeah, I tend to think the same. They will sneak this in and few will notice it....until they T-RUMPet it out to their base saying "We kept our promise".
 
fskimospy said:
Can we pause for a moment and think about just how insane this is? You are worried that Congress is about to massively overhaul 1/5th of the economy with a bill that no one has debated, that lacks a CBO score, and will be passed basically in secret if they can get away with it.

This is how totally unable to govern conservatives are. They are terrified of people learning about what they are trying to do.
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Yep. And the other truly shitty part about all of this is that the GOP can basically hang this on Trump. "Well, he demanded we get this passed. So we did. Blame him for this mess". They come away largely unscathed. They keep their rich interests happy. Throw the President under the bus for the LOLs and spite. And still come back to a loyalty base too stupid for their own good that will continue to support them.
 
Engineer said:
Yeah, I tend to think the same. They will sneak this in and few will notice it....until they T-RUMPet it out to their base saying "We kept our promise".
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I think the overall public is distracted and suffering from protest exhaustion. McConnell senses that and will slip this in under the radar.
 
vi edit said:
Yep. And the other truly shitty part about all of this is that the GOP can basically hang this on Trump. "Well, he demanded we get this passed. So we did. Blame him for this mess". They come away largely unscathed. They keep their rich interests happy. Throw the President under the bus for the LOLs and spite. And still come back to a loyalty base too stupid for their own good that will continue to support them.
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I have to say I find it unlikely they would come away from this unscathed, although I don't know how they come away unscathed at this point because they've spent eight years lying about health care and now the chickens have come home to roost. They appear to have two choices: 1) take health care away from tens of millions of people. 2) betray the campaign promises of the last decade. If they do #1, people will hate them for it. If they do #2 their base will feel betrayed. Neither one is good.

I think a lot of them think their best hope is to choose option #1 and then continue to lie about it, blaming whatever horrible outcomes happen on Obamacare instead of their own legislation. When you think about how plainly evil that decision is it's kind of shocking, but I think that's their plan.
 
fskimospy said:
I have to say I find it unlikely they would come away from this unscathed, although I don't know how they come away unscathed at this point because they've spent eight years lying about health care and now the chickens have come home to roost. They appear to have two choices: 1) take health care away from tens of millions of people. 2) betray the campaign promises of the last decade. If they do #1, people will hate them for it. If they do #2 their base will feel betrayed. Neither one is good.

I think a lot of them think their best hope is to choose option #1 and then continue to lie about it, blaming whatever horrible outcomes happen on Obamacare instead of their own legislation. When you think about how plainly evil that decision is it's kind of shocking, but I think that's their plan.
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All the while sabotaging it via every trick in their book.
 
McCain is waffling now a bit again. Apparently the solution to giving this thing a fig leaf of "regular order" is to hold a sham hearing on it in the Homeland Security committee.

For the rest of time until the sun burns out the GOP doesn't get to talk shit again about how the Democrats passed bills. This entire "process" is the most craven and shameless thing I've ever seen attempted.
 
I agree with most that has been said. I am just exhausted on this matter to speak out at the moment. But I will definitely pick up a phone and call the senators' offices sometime this week.
 
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