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GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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What will GOP ACA Replacement look like?

  • It won't happen, they won't pass either repeal or replacement

    Votes: 29 28.7%

  • It won't happen, they will only repeal and not replace

    Votes: 8 7.9%

  • Replacement will look mostly like ACA, except worse

    Votes: 45 44.6%

  • Replacement will look mostly like ACA, except better

    Votes: 5 5.0%

  • Replacement will look completely different from ACA, except worse

    Votes: 14 13.9%

  • Replacement will look completely different from ACA, except better

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    101
IronWing said:
We could also remove the limit on income subject to FICA taxes and subject capital gains to FICA. The Kochs would poop peach pits.
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OK, if you do that then you've also got to remove the limit on what they receive from FICA during retirement. That's how FICA works.
 
Under budget reconciliation rules, anything the Senate passes will have to save at least as much money as the House version... They'll immediately kill any savings with tax cuts at the top, obviously. It's what they live for.
 
Sea Ray said:
You really don't know? Read about his service to his country sometime. I'm really amazed you'd ask such a dumbass question. I obviously gave you far more credit than you deserve.
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So we should spend money on his treatment while he votes to throw others off their health coverage because he sat in a Vietnamese hole for a few years?
 
Sea Ray said:
OK, if you do that then you've also got to remove the limit on what they receive from FICA during retirement. That's how FICA works.
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Wrong! FICA does not work that way. You get more credit (ie FICA payments) for the first dollars you earn and less for each succeeding tranche. Just need to continue the curve to higher dollar levels, probably with a steeper downward curve.
 
senseamp said:
So we should spend money on his treatment while he votes to throw others off their health coverage because he sat in a Vietnamese hole for a few years?
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It's wrong to characterize the treatment of POW's in Vietnam that way. They were treated very badly by their captors.

OTOH, McCain just took the FYGM option, which would invoke a different kind of torture on millions of Americans.
 
Sea Ray said:
You really don't know? Read about his service to his country sometime. I'm really amazed you'd ask such a dumbass question. I obviously gave you far more credit than you deserve.
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If he was relying on the same healthcare that veterans are typically entitled to then I very much doubt anyone here would object to it. In fact I think most on here would agree that all veterans deserve a higher standard of healthcare than they currently receive via their military service.

That isn't the issue though. The issue is the double standard that he represents due to the fact that he enjoys some of the best healthcare available in this country at the taxpayer's expense solely due to his current government position, while simultaneously using that government position to fight to remove access to a significantly lower standard of healthcare for tens of millions of other Americans.
 
IronWing said:
Of course you don't have to remove the limit. It's easy to say single payer can't be done if you choose to discard every single way it certainly can be done.
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Let's assume you rewrite FICA so that those funds are removed from its lockbox and put into single payer. It'd raise about $100B. Right now we spend about $1.3T

That’s still $599 billion short of what the country actually spent on health care in 2013 ($949 billion in premiums and $325 billion for out-of-pocket expenses, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services).
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Let's be fair and assume that single payer would cut those costs. So let's say they're really good and the costs go down to one Trillion dollars. Your huge tax increase on the rich or 12%, only paid for 10% of what single payer will cost. The other 90% is going to have to be paid by everyone else i.e. the middle class.

Point being you can't fund something this size on the backs of the rich. It just can't be done.
 
Stryke1983 said:
If he was relying on the same healthcare that veterans are typically entitled to then I very much doubt anyone here would object to it. In fact I think most on here would agree that all veterans deserve a higher standard of healthcare than they currently receive via their military service.

That isn't the issue though. The issue is the double standard that he represents due to the fact that he enjoys some of the best healthcare available in this country at the taxpayer's expense solely due to his current government position, while simultaneously using that government position to fight to remove access to a significantly lower standard of healthcare for tens of millions of other Americans.
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If your point is that we ought to raise the healthcare given to vets then I'm on board. If your point is that we should lower John McCain's healthcare because the vets get shitty care then that's where we disagree. If you want to cut Nancy Pelosi's or Ted Cruz' cushy healthcare package, I'm game but leave McCain out of it
 
Sea Ray said:
If your point is that we ought to raise the healthcare given to vets then I'm on board. If your point is that we should lower John McCain's healthcare because the vets get shitty care then that's where we disagree. If you want to cut Nancy Pelosi's or Ted Cruz' cushy healthcare package, I'm game but leave McCain out of it
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Gawd. His point is that people at the top shouldn't screw over the ones at the bottom. That covers McCain & 50 other assholes in the Senate just like him.
 
Stryke1983 said:
If he was relying on the same healthcare that veterans are typically entitled to then I very much doubt anyone here would object to it. In fact I think most on here would agree that all veterans deserve a higher standard of healthcare than they currently receive via their military service.

That isn't the issue though. The issue is the double standard that he represents due to the fact that he enjoys some of the best healthcare available in this country at the taxpayer's expense solely due to his current government position, while simultaneously using that government position to fight to remove access to a significantly lower standard of healthcare for tens of millions of other Americans.
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I think that publicly held positions should be subject to income requirements for public healthcare. It can be tiered, but after a certain amount, tax payers don't cover it. And healthcare coverage should be terminated when the individual is no longer in office.
 
ch33zw1z said:
I think that publicly held positions should be subject to income requirements for public healthcare. It can be tiered, but after a certain amount, tax payers don't cover it. And healthcare coverage should be terminated when the individual is no longer in office.
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I agree. Let them vote to discuss a vote on whether to discuss voting on voting to take away their lifetime healthcare.
 
IronWing said:
He lumped himself. It was his choice to be a Republican. He didn't have to sign on with that gang of degenerate assholes but he did.
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Oh, so Republicans don't deserve healthcare 'cause...they're Republicans. No wonder constructive conversation is so challenging around here. How do we carry on a productive discussion with such partisans?
 
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