GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[ivwshane]

I thought the plan was a 33% surcharge for 1 year(?) for lapsed coverage. Like it should cost $100 per month but now its $133 per month.
Either way its a dumb system

What it sounds like its a mandate. Lol

 

[Jhhnn]

I thought the plan was a 33% surcharge for 1 year(?) for lapsed coverage. Like it should cost $100 per month but now its $133 per month.
Either way its a dumb system

Who knows? It's Republicans. Chances of it not being a trick bag are near zero.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well now that the shoe is on the other foot, I would hope the Dems glean over this Repub Replacement Plan in the most complete and thorough ways possible and then make their findings very public about whether or not the new plan actually benefits the people this new plan was supposed to be designed for or the profiteers that have corrupted so many of our politicians into seeing things all their way.

I know where to place my bets on this fixed game.

 

[pcgeek11]

Why does this seem to be a problem for you? Isn't it logical to compare the projected effects of changes to the healthcare system to the current system in place?

The ACA is far from perfect but it is an improvement over what was in place before from the standpoint of the number of people with health coverage.

What I'm saying is: In this forum it doesn't matter what is put up by the republicans, it will be ripped to shreds no matter how good it is.
I am convinced that some in here would poop on it if everything was free and all were covered 100%.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You're entitled to your opinion. If the republicans actually hold to Trump's promise, we'd all be surprised.

 

[pcgeek11]

Well now that the shoe is on the other foot, I would hope the Dems glean over this Repub Replacement Plan in the most complete and thorough ways possible and then make their findings very public about whether or not the new plan actually benefits the people this new plan was supposed to be designed for or the profiteers that have corrupted so many of our politicians into seeing things all their way.

I know where to place my bets on this fixed game.

Fuck. The Democrats didn't even read their own plan. " You have to pass this bill to see what is in it ".

They were still finding suprise's a year later.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't know anyone that was ok with that. total BS.

But anyways, the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak....and I expect nothing more from the party that can't tell a full truth if Christ himself was standing next to them.

 

[pcgeek11]

I don't know anyone that was ok with that. total BS.

But anyways, the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak....and I expect nothing more from the party that can't tell a full truth if Christ himself was standing next to them.

That applies to both parties.

 

[ch33zw1z]

That applies to both parties.

So what? You just pick the one whose lies you like the best?

 

[sactoking]

What it sounds like its a mandate. Lol

It is essentially the same thing as the individual mandate, just on a delayed blast :
"If you don't buy insurance we will tax you every year."
"If you don't buy insurance we will tax you the next time you do buy insurance."
I have seen the surcharge being rumored to be multiple years, as in 3-5. If it's only 1 year then it's a much less effective mandate. If it's multiple then it's actually a punitive mandate in some cases.

One stupid thing I've seen rumored is that if you're subject to the surcharge then the insurer can still deny the preexisting condition in addition to the levying the surcharge. If that's true then it's a Huge giveaway to insurers. Plus it essentially diverts manage funds from the public coffers to private industry.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What I'm saying is: In this forum it doesn't matter what is put up by the republicans, it will be ripped to shreds no matter how good it is.
I am convinced that some in here would poop on it if everything was free and all were covered 100%.

If its better for 75% and the same for 25% I'd be happy to admit progress was made. This doesn't let Trump off the hook for lofty promises but if work continues to improve it and there is measurable progress I'd still be satisfied even though Trump lied.
What I won't support is worse for anyone with the possible exception for the extremely wealthy but I don't want it so lopsided that the 1% pay ten times the rate.

 

[desura]

Trump is incompetent. The GOP Congress is ideological and unmoored from reality.

I predict a market collapse. It will be bad.

 

[desura]

Ideally we would have a really bare-bones Medicaid for all that was seriously stingy. And then people would buy supplemental plans.

Of course Democrats would screw that one up most likely.

 

[theeedude]

So basically, hose the poor to give money to the rich.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Ideally we would have a really bare-bones Medicaid for all that was seriously stingy. And then people would buy supplemental plans.

Of course Democrats would screw that one up most likely.

Yea, Dem's are the problem with providing healthcare for all.....lol....COMEDY GOLD!

 

[Jhhnn]

People seem to have a problem recognizing the basic nature of Repub lawmakers. If you're rich enough to pay them, they care. If you aren't, they don't really care about you other than fooling you into giving their trickle down plan your vote. They run a great shell game to get that, too.

When they get done with Obamacare it'll be We don't care & you don't matter, chumps.

 

[ch33zw1z]

OFuckYourCare

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ideally we would have a really bare-bones Medicaid for all that was seriously stingy. And then people would buy supplemental plans.

Of course Democrats would screw that one up most likely.

Please explain this barebones Medicare thing

 

[pcgeek11]

So what? You just pick the one whose lies you like the best?

No, I pick the one that aligns best with the way I feel. Granted neither have our ( yours nor mine ) best interest at heart.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No, I pick the one that aligns best with the way I feel.

I'm processing this, it seems to be basically the same thing

Granted neither have our ( yours nor mine ) best interest at heart.

Correct, which is why we need more people involved, ready to listen, and ready to stand for change that benefits all. This includes not screwing our planet, not screwing our citizens out of healthcare, and funneling every last penny to the top 1% of earners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States

This wealth concentration is a huge problem for everyone, including those with the most wealth, whether they want to admit it or not.

The 1% is really out of touch with what a typical family's challenges are on a day to day basis.

 

[pcgeek11]

Trump is incompetent. The GOP Congress is ideological and unmoored from reality.

I predict a market collapse. It will be bad.

I think I heard the same thing would happen if Trump was elected from Mark Cuban. So, Meh...

 

[Fern]

That's not true at all-

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub.../oct/us-health-care-from-a-global-perspective

Yes, it is:

http://www.oecd.org/health/healthcarecostsunsustainableinadvancedeconomieswithoutreform.htm

24/9/2015 - Healthcare costs are rising so fast in advanced economies that they will become unaffordable by mid-century without reforms, according to a new OECD report.

Fiscal Sustainability of Health Systems: Bridging Health and Finance Perspectives finds that going over budget on health spending remains endemic in most OECD countries. Maintaining today’s healthcare, and funding future medical advances, will be difficult without major reforms that will require health and finance ministries to work together, it says.

Although the crisis led to a slowdown in health spending growth, particularly in Europe, public expenditure on health and long-term care in OECD countries is set to increase from around 6% of GDP today to almost 9% of GDP in 2030 and as much as 14% by 2060, unless governments can contain costs, according to OECD projections.

Europe's HC costs are rising virtually uncontrollably. Comparison of GDP/HC costs is different from increasing HC costs.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, it is:

http://www.oecd.org/health/healthcarecostsunsustainableinadvancedeconomieswithoutreform.htm



Europe's HC costs are rising virtually uncontrollably. Comparison of GDP/HC costs is different from increasing HC costs.

Fern

That does not support the statement that "Europe's HC costs are as out-of-control as ours." They're obviously much better at cost control & will likely be so in the future as well.

 

[Fern]

Their costs are basically rising as fast as ours. Comparisons to gdp is a different thing.

Everybody is having problems with rising HC costs.

Fern

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yes, it is:

http://www.oecd.org/health/healthcarecostsunsustainableinadvancedeconomieswithoutreform.htm



Europe's HC costs are rising virtually uncontrollably. Comparison of GDP/HC costs is different from increasing HC costs.

Fern

Here's the point, most if not all us liberal guys say we should have insurance that acts like Canada, Denmark or the UK. Seems like the US lags all of those countries as on the graph that's provided in your link we have higher cost per GNP growth than any of those countries. Admittedly its close but regardless we still have a less efficient system.

*ooops I didn't see your above post*