Discussion Google Tensor SoC thread

[sze5003]

Was hoping the bigger battery along with optimizations would beat my S25U but doesn't look like it. One day I'd like to go back to Pixel when Google gets their crap together.

The 10 pro XL should not be priced at what it currently is.

 

[MarkizSchnitzel]

They do have fast charging though, just not the fastest charging. The Pixel 10, who IIRC is the first to have mandatory battery protection (voltage nuking), charges at 30W.

It would be overly generous to call it fast, when it is among the slowest, if not THE slowest. I think only iphone is slower, but only in like 0-100 scenario.

In fact, just checked gsmarena, even Pixel 8 Pro is faster than Pixel 9 Pro.. It's just so odd. Like they want to emulate Apple in EVERYTHING without giving any thought if it is something that should be emulated, or if they can get away with it.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

More games..

RIP Google...

I do wonder what drove Google to go with PowerVR. Perhaps ARM got cheeky and asked for too much money for an Immortalis IP?
Even so, Google could have gone with a larger PowerVR DXT. Perhaps this will be significantly faster after some driver optimizations, but for the moment it does look really bad.

 

[LightningZ71]

It would be overly generous to call it fast, when it is among the slowest, if not THE slowest. I think only iphone is slower, but only in like 0-100 scenario.

In fact, just checked gsmarena, even Pixel 8 Pro is faster than Pixel 9 Pro.. It's just so odd. Like they want to emulate Apple in EVERYTHING without giving any thought if it is something that should be emulated, or if they can get away with it.

It does jive with their battery problems of recent models. If you know that you are cheating out on your batteries, you do your best to protect them with software and slow charging.

 

[DZero]

I do wonder what drove Google to go with PowerVR. Perhaps ARM got cheeky and asked for too much money for an Immortalis IP?
Even so, Google could have gone with a larger PowerVR DXT. Perhaps this will be significantly faster after some driver optimizations, but for the moment it does look really bad.

Aparently they might use the DXTP-64-2048 version for Tensor G6. The reason? drivers

Imagination DXTP-64-2048 GPU - Imagination

www.imaginationtech.com

 

[coercitiv]

I do wonder what drove Google to go with PowerVR.

If I had to guess or start looking for possible clues, I would look at compute potential for AI / video / image processing. ATM Google values these much more than gaming perf.

Example - AFAIK their 100X zoom feature on Pixel 10 is essentially an AI recreation of the blurry zoomed crop of the camera sensor.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

If I had to guess or start looking for possible clues, I would look at compute potential for AI / video / image processing. ATM Google values these much more than gaming perf.

Example - AFAIK their 100X zoom feature on Pixel 10 is essentially an AI recreation of the blurry zoomed crop of the camera sensor.

Aren't all the Tensor Gx using Google's own TPU block for ML loads, though? Choosing an iGPU for AI inference sounds a bit redundant in their case.

 

[511]

No?

 

[DZero]

If I had to guess or start looking for possible clues, I would look at compute potential for AI / video / image processing. ATM Google values these much more than gaming perf.

Example - AFAIK their 100X zoom feature on Pixel 10 is essentially an AI recreation of the blurry zoomed crop of the camera sensor.

Well... if that AI recreation gives a hint... it might fail compared to the Samsung S22 or 23 Ultra X100 zoom.

 

[coercitiv]

Aren't all the Tensor Gx using Google's own TPU block for ML loads, though?

Yes they are, I was thinking of additional compute, companies these days seem obsessed with enabling some kind of marketable use of AI and/or "magic compute" on their devices.

it might fail compared to the Samsung S22 or 23 Ultra X100 zoom.

It might fail period, they're not pictures anymore.

 

[Tup3x]

Battery life looks absolutely horrible. Especially if you like to watch videos and play games.

Google Pixel 10 review

Just like in previous years, the most affordable Pixel from the flagship family gets a regular OLED panel, not an LTPO one. It's still 6.3" in diagonal,...

www.gsmarena.com

 

[StinkyPinky]

I have the 10 Pro XL since it was basically a free upgrade from my 9 Pro XL

Battery life sucks butt. The phone itself is a very nice design and the display is great, but the chip is just complete garbage. Like legit, it's a national embarrassment that an American company thinks this chip is acceptable in a high end phone. If you're going to put a slowish chip in a flagship phone, you better at least make sure it's efficient as hell. It's not. It does nothing well. I also find the phone a little buggy.

I don't hate it but there are better options around. I can't help but feel that the new Iphone will blow it out the water and the new Samsung's are also rumored to have a pretty big overhaul.

 

[DZero]

Heck, the Tensor G5 managed to be WORSE than the Kirin 9020 and this is a BIG insult for TSMC.

 

[Doug S]

So poor performance, poor battery life, runs hot and costs the same as other flagships?

Guess the people who blamed Samsung for the Pixel's SoC being terrible were off the mark!

 

[511]

So poor performance, poor battery life, runs hot and costs the same as other flagships?

Guess the people who blamed Samsung for the Pixel's SoC being terrible were off the mark!

I should have known this seeing the spec but they are awful in implementation as well even Xiaomi did better for their first Mobile AP.

 

[StinkyPinky]

So poor performance, poor battery life, runs hot and costs the same as other flagships?

Guess the people who blamed Samsung for the Pixel's SoC being terrible were off the mark!

I've heard the upcoming Exynos 2600 is actually pretty good and may directly compete with the A19 and Elite 2, or at least get a hell of a lot closer than the Tensor G5.

 

[511]

All Phone Vendors are spamming SME this gen to make it look like a generational gain

 

[gdansk]

So poor performance, poor battery life, runs hot and costs the same as other flagships?

Guess the people who blamed Samsung for the Pixel's SoC being terrible were off the mark!

Paying TSMC more can't fix Google problems apparently.
Really have to wonder what Google is doing...

 

[DZero]

I should have known this seeing the spec but they are awful in implementation as well even Xiaomi did better for their first Mobile AP.

Second. The first one is the Surge S1. And even that was decent in their time, was on par with Snapdragon 625!

 

[DZero]

I've heard the upcoming Exynos 2600 is actually pretty good and may directly compete with the A19 and Elite 2, or at least get a hell of a lot closer than the Tensor G5.

Heck, if Kirin 9030 manages to be decent enough to be on par with SD 8 Gen 2 in brute force and SD 8 Gen 3 with their own optimizations, knowing their limits... it will be a BIG humillation against Google.

 

[sze5003]

So poor performance, poor battery life, runs hot and costs the same as other flagships?

Guess the people who blamed Samsung for the Pixel's SoC being terrible were off the mark!

You should see the pixel subreddit. "Just wait the battery will be better after updates and optimizations." Software can't replace crappy hardware completely.

 

[511]

I skipped a bullet

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Google Pixel 10 review

Just like in previous years, the most affordable Pixel from the flagship family gets a regular OLED panel, not an LTPO one. It's still 6.3" in diagonal,...

www.gsmarena.com

I am pretty happy with my Pixel 9a battery life though

 

[Panino Manino]

I skipped a bull

I am pretty happy with my Pixel 9a battery life though

Let it be know that I'm here laughing in MediaTek.

 

[thigobr]

Not regretting my OnePlus 13 purchase now, that replaced my Pixel 8... I was torn between waiting for the Pixel 10 or getting the OP13 on sale but I end up doing the latter.

 

[DZero]

You should see the pixel subreddit. "Just wait the battery will be better after updates and optimizations." Software can't replace crappy hardware completely.

As long they don't fully control and master HW, SW is not a solution.
Huawei pulled it big time... to the point that there are 2 scenarios depending on the OS used...
EMUI one - Kirin 9020 has the performance of the Snapdragon 888 and is a power hog
Harmony OS one - Kirin 9020 has the performance of the Snapdragon 8 Plus Gen 1 or even 8 Gen 2 in certain situations. And the power usage is decent