Google replies to Steve: STFU

[Blackjack200]

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Pretty cut and dry there.

Agree, it's pretty cut and dry that he didn't say that he "created the internet" even though those three words are part of the sentence.

 

[rudeguy]

I dunno about annual launches but I do believe it is all iOS devices. Which, to be honest, is not manipulating numbers because Android is going to encompass not just phones from many OEM's but tablet devices as well. Granted Android tablets are going still in its infancy but one has to assume Android apps will work on both phones and tablets.

Google didn't include sales from products that didn't include Google software. So: tablets.

Once again...don't go predicting the future. Stick to facts.

 

[zerocool84]

Why is Jobs such an asshole? Why cant he have a friendly competition company instead of a "we are the best at all we do" attitude? He created the Mac vs PC fence all on his own. What a douche. I love my ipod for music and I love my vibrant for phone.

This is one of the main reasons why I will never buy an Apple product. He bashes everything else. Has no love for any other products that's not his own. For years, all he did was lie and mud-sling Windows cus he couldn't do anything else and he still mud-slings to this day. It just seems like anything that is his competition, he can't compete regularly by making a product better and letting his products do the talking, he HAS to talk down on the other products to feed his own ego. It seems like he's so insecure, especially about Android products. He's scared for some reason and the only thing he wants to do is bash the product.

 

[pm]

Enough with the Al Gore debate. Take it to P&N, or let it go, but I don't want to see any more debate of it here.

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[Deeko]

Like I said, if it is going based off on activation using a specific email address, no matter how many ROMs are activated, it would count as a single owner.
Think about official OS upgrades, and how many will wipe and flash and thus need activation again - if you use the same email address, it shouldn't be tallied.

Of course, this assumes Google is going by the books by using the gmail address.

Yes, but that would also cause undercounting in the case of users that buy multiple android devices - or overcounting if they use multiple google accounts.

Perhaps they tie IMEI/ESN to an email address? I don't know.

 

[TheStu]

This is one of the main reasons why I will never buy an Apple product. He bashes everything else. Has no love for any other products that's not his own. For years, all he did was lie and mud-sling Windows cus he couldn't do anything else and he still mud-slings to this day. It just seems like anything that is his competition, he can't compete regularly by making a product better and letting his products do the talking, he HAS to talk down on the other products to feed his own ego. It seems like he's so insecure, especially about Android products. He's scared for some reason and the only thing he wants to do is bash the product.

I recall at the Android dev conference a few months back that there was plenty of veiled and unveiled gauntlet throwing. Apple isn't the only one doing it. Not defending their position or actions, just saying that it isn't as one-sided as you make it out to be.

 

[rudeguy]

I recall at the Android dev conference a few months back that there was plenty of veiled and unveiled gauntlet throwing. Apple isn't the only one doing it. Not defending their position or actions, just saying that it isn't as one-sided as you make it out to be.

There is a difference between dev's taking shots at each other and a CEO saying that their competition is lying about sales. I would personally love it if Google and Apple had a flat out battle but I know that is never going to happen.

My point is simply that ol Steve seems to be defending his products by attacking Google a lot lately. The IP4 problem? "Well if you squeeze an Android phone just right, with the right wind and the right amount of Photoshop....." "We think that Google is inflating their sales numbers. There is no way they can be beating us. Our single model-single carrier-take it or leave it business model can't be beat without the competition cheating...."

Once again. I add that I think the iPhone is a good phone. I think Apple and Steve do things really well. Stuff like this just makes them look weak and vulnerable.

 

[GTSRguy]

Is this a single Andriod device against iPhone, or is this ALL Android phones all added up and still not selling as well as one Apple phone? What makes you think that adding up all the models counts for something? Show me a single phone that outsells and iPhone 4 and ill care...maybe if android spent more time on a single phone they would have a more polished product, clearly, polished products sell well.

Nice job on the stupid thread title "STFU" yea, that was exactly goggles response.

 

[Deeko]

Is this a single Andriod device against iPhone, or is this ALL Android phones all added up and still not selling as well as one Apple phone? What makes you think that adding up all the models counts for something? Show me a single phone that outsells and iPhone 4 and ill care...maybe if android spent more time on a single phone they would have a more polished product, clearly, polished products sell well.

Nice job on the stupid thread title "STFU" yea, that was exactly goggles response.

*sigh*, such silly fanboy blather. For one, there are multiple iPhones for sale right now. Secondly, and far more importantly in the context of this thread, the sales numbers Apple announced are not sales of the iPhone. You do get that, right? This includes all iOS devices - including the iPod Touch, which is cheap and has no monthly fees data attached, and the iPad, which has no contract attached regardless of data or not. So while your second point - the iPhone 4 outsells individual Android phones - may be valid, it is entirely irrelevant to this thread.

As for your question about why adding up the models matters....err, this was Google talking, not HTC, not Motorola. Google doesn't care who is selling their phones. Google cares about the number of Android devices out there. Why? That's that many more devices selling apps in the market, earning them direct income. That's that many more devices more likely to use Google services, indirectly earning them ad dollars.

Its not rocket science as to why Google cares about all Android sales, not the sales of an individual phone model. In fact, if you claim to disagree with that logic, you are either A) lying to us solely for the sake of trolling or B) very, very ignorant, and therefore in no position to be making the emotion-fueled posts you're making.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

The 200,000 and 220,000 are monthly activations of products.

 

[zerocool84]

Is this a single Andriod device against iPhone, or is this ALL Android phones all added up and still not selling as well as one Apple phone? What makes you think that adding up all the models counts for something? Show me a single phone that outsells and iPhone 4 and ill care...maybe if android spent more time on a single phone they would have a more polished product, clearly, polished products sell well.

Nice job on the stupid thread title "STFU" yea, that was exactly goggles response.

It's obvious that what you want from Android, isn't their strategy. Google is out to get as many people to use Google services as possible. It's not like there isn't any phone out there that are better in many areas than the iPhone. The iPhone never has and never will be the best phone out there. Every phone out there has too many downsides to it to be called the best phone out there. There may be the phone you like the best but every phone out there still gives up too much to be the single best device out there.

 

[GTSRguy]

*sigh*, such silly fanboy blather. For one, there are multiple iPhones for sale right now. Secondly, and far more importantly in the context of this thread, the sales numbers Apple announced are not sales of the iPhone. You do get that, right? This includes all iOS devices - including the iPod Touch, which is cheap and has no monthly fees data attached, and the iPad, which has no contract attached regardless of data or not. So while your second point - the iPhone 4 outsells individual Android phones - may be valid, it is entirely irrelevant to this thread.

As for your question about why adding up the models matters....err, this was Google talking, not HTC, not Motorola. Google doesn't care who is selling their phones. Google cares about the number of Android devices out there. Why? That's that many more devices selling apps in the market, earning them direct income. That's that many more devices more likely to use Google services, indirectly earning them ad dollars.

Its not rocket science as to why Google cares about all Android sales, not the sales of an individual phone model. In fact, if you claim to disagree with that logic, you are either A) lying to us solely for the sake of trolling or B) very, very ignorant, and therefore in no position to be making the emotion-fueled posts you're making.

For Google, they are most concerned with making lots of money, what i am saying is that im not impressed with overall numbers, certainly 100 phones that sell 10 units each isn't better than 2 phones selling 400 units each. Its better for the company, not for the consumer, and suggests that the company with 2 phones has a better phone. This is my point. Before you go off calling me and Apple fanboy look in the mirror - you arnt even close to being neutral on any Apple subject, based on a quick look at your Twitter page. You have a point and i have a point, the fact that the iPhone 4 outsells competition by a factor of 10 weighs heavily in my court, i know that angers you. I dont believe they are all brainwashed either (kind of a insane thing to suggest), they can buy any phone that want, and they choose iPhone. Consider this thread, its a unnecessary shot at Apple with a slanted/spun title to attract attention, certainly thats a reason to get emotional charged, if we scrutinized all companies this equally, there would be many anti Microsoft threads wouldn't there be?

PS- Id recommend you purchase an iPad

 

[JD50]

Is this a single Andriod device against iPhone, or is this ALL Android phones all added up and still not selling as well as one Apple phone? What makes you think that adding up all the models counts for something? Show me a single phone that outsells and iPhone 4 and ill care...maybe if android spent more time on a single phone they would have a more polished product, clearly, polished products sell well.

Nice job on the stupid thread title "STFU" yea, that was exactly goggles response.

Google is targeting the mass of people that want options, apparently that's working pretty well.

 

[dguy6789]

Looks like we have another resident Apple fanboy. Just so you know, I have an iPad and my phone blows it away. iPad would be way better if it ran Android.

 

[JD50]

For Google, they are most concerned with making lots of money, what i am saying is that im not impressed with overall numbers, certainly 100 phones that sell 10 units each isn't better than 2 phones selling 400 units each. Its better for the company, not for the consumer, and suggests that the company with 2 phones has a better phone. This is my point. Before you go off calling me and Apple fanboy look in the mirror - you arnt even close to being neutral on any Apple subject, based on a quick look at your Twitter page. You have a point and i have a point, the fact that the iPhone 4 outsells competition by a factor of 10 weighs heavily in my court, i know that angers you. I dont believe they are all brainwashed either (kind of a insane thing to suggest), they can buy any phone that want, and they choose iPhone. Consider this thread, its a unnecessary shot at Apple with a slanted/spun title to attract attention, certainly thats a reason to get emotional charged, if we scrutinized all companies this equally, there would be many anti Microsoft threads wouldn't there be?

PS- Id recommend you purchase an iPad

Typical Apple attitude, you obviously know what's best for the consumer...

Some of us want choices, others don't. Apple caters to one group while Google caters to the other, there's room for both.

 

[rudeguy]

Typical Apple attitude, you obviously know what's best for the consumer...

Some of us want choices, others don't. Apple caters to one group while Google caters to the other, there's room for both.

Thank you.

There is no need to attack the other platform. But its obvious from this thread that its not the fanboys' faults. They are simply following their leader like they have been programmed to do.

 

[GTSRguy]

Thank you.

There is no need to attack the other platform. But its obvious from this thread that its not the fanboys' faults. They are simply following their leader like they have been programmed to do.

Then whats the point of this thread? Isn't that what all of you do all day long? Look in the mirror. Stop Using the word fanboy, the only Apple product ive ever owned is a iPod Touch.

 

[sciwizam]

Then whats the point of this thread?

To make fun of Steve. I don't think he's a platform.

 

[JD50]

Then whats the point of this thread?

They made an entire sub-forum for the overly sensitive apple fans, you might be happier there.

 

[Glitchny]

Then whats the point of this thread?

Well from the OP it seems to be about Steve Jobs understating some numbers to take a little swing at the competition and Google's response to it. :thumbsup:

 

[rudeguy]

Then whats the point of this thread?

To show that:

1) Steve flat out lied
2) Google isn't counting upgrades or non-Google approved units
3) Al Gore did not invent the internet

Locked. I said nothing more about Al Gore. Besides, there's a whole lot of fanboy-labelling on both sides. I don't see this thread getting back on topic.

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