Google October 4th event

[ChronoReverse]

Verizon is already pushing it with a $300 credit for trading in most recent flagship phones. Not sure how many people that will convince; it's noticeably less generous than the Iphone 7 deals a few weeks ago which was $650 trade in credit for 5/6 series Iphones.

Yeah, I'm interested to see how this goes. Google has tended to "cheap out" in the past with these kind of things and I suspect they really don't understand why they aren't getting love for just plopping stuff out there.

 

[Roland00Address]

Verizon is already pushing it with a $300 credit for trading in most recent flagship phones..

Key word is UP TO $300 credit. as in $0 to $300 credit with nicer phones being closer to the $300

Here are the only phones that get the $300 number

Eligible phones for $300 trade-in value:
Galaxy Note 5,
Galaxy S6,
Galaxy S6 edge/edge+,
HTC M9,
iPhone 6,
iPhone 6 Plus,
LG G4 and
LG V10.
https://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/trade-in-event/

If you have one of those phones effectively value wise if you were to resell it, it would give you $300 or higher. Note I am not saying this verizon deal is a bad deal. It is not really a discount on the phone, instead it just makes your life easier if you were trying to recoup a loss when you "retire" a good but now 18 month or newer phone. (Iphone 6 and 6 plus are the only phones on that last that are newer than 18 months)

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

This will be interesting. I'm upgrading my work phone to an iPhone 7. I will compare heads up these two phones, and maybe the Nexus apologists can stop this year of making excuses because now we we have a $650 phone that's being marketed as a premium device.

Why should the Pixel devices cost less? Because you want it to? How much do you think it should cost and why do you believe that?

IMO it's because flagship devices have pushed on a lot further. A few years ago yeah all you had to do was have spectacular hardware like a computer and be done. But now new features like waterproofing, wireless charging are becoming standard. Apple's really pushed on the camera with their new fake bokeh, dual lens, and live photos.

What can Google do in 1 year to phones (5x and 6P) that were really just basic vanilla Android phones? What killer feature are you going to add? Samsung took years of refining TouchWiz to give it the right balance of features versus spam. After all it's pretty well acknowledged Google doesn't pack Android full of features and its up to OEMs to add in additional features.

I personally think they should've stuck with 5x/6p pricing, as it takes some time to cement yourself as the new flagship in town. Why would your average consumer shell out $650 when they can get an iPhone or Galaxy S7 which are household names and have more features? This isn't a wide open market like 2010 when Android was still young. This is a mature market and if anything the new competitors are coming in with lower prices (Moto, OnePlus, Chinese brands, etc.).

 

[dawheat]

I honestly thought I'd be more interested in the Pixel XL but found it a bit disappointing. It's 7 months after the S7 Edge was released and unless the camera really is that much better (though no OIS is a big issue and I doubt it focuses as fast) I'm not sure the average consumer will find much compelling, especially in store. The software features definitely won't be something the masses will appreciate or take time to understand.

I expect it to remain a niche phone much like the prior Nexus devices, even with Verizon support.

 

[Yakk]

After seeing the recent launches I have to say I'm most impressed with the S7 (Exynos 8890 Octo-Core version).

Disappointed in Google.

 

[sze5003]

This will be interesting. I'm upgrading my work phone to an iPhone 7. I will compare heads up these two phones, and maybe the Nexus apologists can stop this year of making excuses because now we we have a $650 phone that's being marketed as a premium device.



IMO it's because flagship devices have pushed on a lot further. A few years ago yeah all you had to do was have spectacular hardware like a computer and be done. But now new features like waterproofing, wireless charging are becoming standard. Apple's really pushed on the camera with their new fake bokeh, dual lens, and live photos.

What can Google do in 1 year to phones (5x and 6P) that were really just basic vanilla Android phones? What killer feature are you going to add? Samsung took years of refining TouchWiz to give it the right balance of features versus spam. After all it's pretty well acknowledged Google doesn't pack Android full of features and its up to OEMs to add in additional features.

I personally think they should've stuck with 5x/6p pricing, as it takes some time to cement yourself as the new flagship in town. Why would your average consumer shell out $650 when they can get an iPhone or Galaxy S7 which are household names and have more features? This isn't a wide open market like 2010 when Android was still young. This is a mature market and if anything the new competitors are coming in with lower prices (Moto, OnePlus, Chinese brands, etc.).

They are really pushing the assistant and duo although I have the assistant now and allo as well on the 6p. It's really not that enthusiastic, and I'm curious really how good this camera will turn out.

I'm not too keen on the design but the processor and specs are great. I wish they had kept the prices similar to last year too. That's pretty much the only thing holding me back from buying one as I'm not going back to 32gb of storage with no option of an sd card unless I can store everything on the cloud.

The nexus name was midrange and killing it now was their idea so they can compete as flagship against apple and the rest with the higher prices. No middle storage option is stupid too. I bet they will come out with a 64gb model one day.

I don't need to upgrade but would like to and at this rate it looks like I'll stick with my 6p for another year.

 

[Crono]

Design and pricing of the Pixel and Pixel XL is unappealing. Front looks like an iPhone/iPod Touch, and the back looks like they pasted past Nexus designs together. I'd prefer Google Play editions of the S7, HTC 10, and/or whoever else they could get on board (LG, Huawei, etc). Make them exclusive colors, add some accessories, done and done.

I'll probably buy the new 4k Chromecast, though.

 

[IAteYourMother]

I'm pretty down with it. The pricing just makes me want to hold off until people actually get their hands on this thing before I buy one. Samsung's flagships might have more features (most of which I'm uninterested in) but I've never been impressed with their build quality like I am with the iPhone. The Pixel gives me the opportunity to get a smaller form factor phone with premier build quality, an amazing camera, and top tier specs. But in addition, there's the opportunity that Google's software/hardware integration can approach that of the iPhone, which would be huge for optimization. Just need to hear about battery life as well and I'm in.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

They are really pushing the assistant and duo although I have the assistant now and allo as well on the 6p. It's really not that enthusiastic, and I'm curious really how good this camera will turn out.

I'm not too keen on the design but the processor and specs are great. I wish they had kept the prices similar to last year too. That's pretty much the only thing holding me back from buying one as I'm not going back to 32gb of storage with no option of an sd card unless I can store everything on the cloud.

The nexus name was midrange and killing it now was their idea so they can compete as flagship against apple and the rest with the higher prices. No middle storage option is stupid too. I bet they will come out with a 64gb model one day.

I don't need to upgrade but would like to and at this rate it looks like I'll stick with my 6p for another year.

Allo and Duo are standalone apps anyone can download. Even if they pushed it, it's a non issue. The specs are great I agree, but I'm not sure how good they can make the camera after 1 year of upgrades.

With that said is the Pixel still going to be development friendly? Are they going to release the source and binaries for developers?

 

[gus6464]

I'll wait for the January fire sale.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

 

[pete6032]

Price is INSANE.

$600-$800 for a device that will be obsolete in 2 years. That's like buying a laptop and not getting windows updates after 2 years.

 

[Strk]

I'm not liking the speaker, decrease in size and no OIS. Sure, the 6P didn't have OIS either, but why keep ignoring it? I'd also like to know why the drop to a mono speaker. They could have at least done a setup like HTC has on the 10 (doesn't Apple have something similar on the 7?). Other than the upgraded SoC, I don't see any reason for me to upgrade my 6P. The 6 to 6P was a nice boost, but the upgrade doesn't seem worth it to me.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Price is INSANE.

$600-$800 for a device that will be obsolete in 2 years. That's like buying a laptop and not getting windows updates after 2 years.

I bet Google's thought process is like: "What will happens to an iPhone if it ran Android, and then we drop the long term support and put in worse hardware than cheaper flagship Samsungs? It will definitely sell well!"

Really interested how well the sales will be before the inevitable price cut...Hitting 1 million units globally will be a tall order.

 

[thilanliyan]

$900 for the small size and $1050 for the xl here in Canada...no thanks!! The Axon 7 for $600 taxes in is a steal imo.

 

[Crono]

Did anyone from Google say whether the Pixel line is replacing the Nexus line, or is it a possibility they'll still make a Nexus phone? I'm wondering whether between Pixel and Andromeda, Google is going down the Apple route of having a much more tightly controlled ecosystem. If that's the case, I'll probably jump ship to ubuntu or something else. The update situation on everything except Nexus is pretty appalling, especially with discoveries of massive security flaws seemingly becoming a more frequent occurence (not just on Android, but in general).

 

[Anubis]

Price is INSANE.

$600-$800 for a device that will be obsolete in 2 years. That's like buying a laptop and not getting windows updates after 2 years.

or any other top end phone. the largest storage option on the IP7+ is like a 950

 

[desura]

You guys are missing that it uses the phone gyro for stabilization...which is innovative. And we need more small phones. Even 5 inches is still slightly too big.

And since it is straight from google they need to have premium pricing...

 

[o306]

That's stupid. Seriously. Google was intending to match Apple's prices with the Pixel, that's why the name changed from Nexus.


The Htc 10 was $599 unlocked from day one if you bought it direct from Htc. What indication do you have that Htc prices higher than any of its competitors?

The $599 price for the HTC 10 was for about 2 weeks. It went back to it's normal price of $699 very quickly.

HTC has higher prices than any of its competitors.

$700 for the HTC 10 which can't even do 1080p60 and overexposes photos unless you manually intervene compared to the S7, G5, and V10...that is definitely overpriced.

These Pixel phones are garbage and overpriced.

Even HTC knows this because they just discounted HTC 10 to $549 to take advantage of their overpriced Pixels.

 

[DesiPower]

Verge summed it up pretty accurately - "Google announced an iPhone, a Gear VR, an Echo, and an Eero", very disappointing... I even took some time off from work to watch it. Their devices and ideas were never anything groundbreaking, what set them apart was the price and lack of bloatware. It was really sad to watch the launch of the phone where the only thing they focused on was the color, case material and the camera... and then announce that everything's twice as expensive, they now cost significantly higher than their competition, I see their whole operation going down in a year or 2, just like google fiber. In six months, once nobody buys their crap, they will give them away from free. They should stick with just software, these type of things are harmful to their goodwill. The Assistant thingi and it's road map is pretty amazing, just focus on that.

 

[beginner99]

I say Pixel Phones are fail from the start. Why the heck should I buy one over say a galaxy S7 (Egde)? The S7 32 GB is already $100 cheaper here right now and since it's not US im pretty sure actual pixel prices will be even higher. For what exactly? SOC might be a bit faster but I get less battery, no sd-card, no waterproofing. i think I have to pay for the huge bezel or what???

And soon I can get the same 821 SOC in a Xiaomi Mi5s for about 60% of that price (yes, the Mi5s is compatible here) and with 64 GB plus capacitive buttons instead of annoying on-screen buttons. I don't see how Pixel phones can succeed at all.

Cloud storage is irrelevant for me as data here is so expensive it's just not an option compared to an sd-card. In reality I'm fine with 32 GB now but that's on a 4 year old phone that back then cost $399. Why would I pay $649 to get the same amount now without expansion option???

FAIL.

 

[beginner99]

You guys are missing that it uses the phone gyro for stabilization...which is innovative. And we need more small phones. Even 5 inches is still slightly too big.

And since it is straight from google they need to have premium pricing...

Xiaomi mi5 did that already as well. For like half the price.

 

[kaerflog]

Goggle is officially on DRUG.
Those are FUGGGLLYYYY looking phones. The front looks like iPhone 5 which is like 5 yrs ago.
When I saw the official pictures today, I said out loud WTF !!! This fugly looking shit for $649 ??
These 2 phones got the chin and forehead the size of Grand Canyon.
You can get the 5.5" Axon 7 in a smaller body with stereo speakers 64gb vs 32gb for $399 instead of this over priced crap.
The #1 attraction of the Nexus line have always been pricing and even with that, it was never a big seller.
The pricing on this phone reminds me of the Amazon Fire phone. Nobody is going to buy this crap for $649.

 

[Crono]

It's also hilarious that the Pixel is a Verizon exclusive for the carrier version. You would think that by now manufacturers (and I guess Google counts as a manufacturer for this case) would have learned Verizon has a nasty habit of screwing these deals up, for both manufacturer and customers. Google would almost be better off having no carrier deals and only sell it unlocked amd through Fi if they couldn't get AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, and their MVNOs to carry it.

 

[kaerflog]

I honestly think the head executive of Google phone division started the meeting raving about how great the phone looks and everyone else were to scare to say something otherwise.
Its hard for me to believe that a collective group of executives thought this is THE google flagship phone and we should sell it for $649 and it will be a success.
I think its the same group of executives that used to work for Amazon and thought the Fire phone would be a success.

 

[o306]

The 821 in the Pixels isn't even running at full speed from what I read and ends up only being slightly faster than the 820.

The starting price for Europeans are $762 and $915...at this price I don't see why any European would go for it when it doesn't make sense for anyone in the US to buy it.

The "unlimited" cloud storage doesn't seem to include music/audio so that isn't really a big deal either.

Hey you can be excited because you get Android 7.0/7.1 so you can have "new" features like split-screen and call/text blocking which Samsung, LG, HTC, and almost every other Android phone maker had already implemented in their older and outdated versions of Android.

Am I missing something? What is anyone supposed to get excited about when it comes to this phone?

And not a word on Andromeda or Fuschia which would have been very interesting even without a release, just some solid details about where everything is going.

Not to mention the Xiaomi Mi Box debuted today at $69 so the Chromecast Ultra (4k) isn't special either.