Google = hypocrites

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...but they sure don't seem to have any problems bundling their own search engine into Firefox. :roll:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/google_micro...;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

SEATTLE - Google Inc. is hoping to pressure Microsoft Corp. into changing a new Internet Explorer browser feature that could direct more people to Microsoft's online search engine instead of Google's far more popular offering.

Google has informally complained to U.S. and European antitrust regulators about what it says are biased settings on Microsoft's latest Web browser, marking the latest spat between two companies whose business models are increasingly bumping up against one another.

Mountain View, Calif.-based Google regards Microsoft as the biggest threat to its continued success, and Microsoft has conceded that Goggle is a formidable competitor as well.

The next version of Internet Explorer, available now in test form, includes a box in the corner that lets people perform an Internet search without going to a separate Web page, much like what's available from Google's downloadable "toolbar."

Users who download IE 7 will be assigned a search engine preference based on the AutoSearch function from the previous version of IE, which is likely to be MSN Search. Google says it's concerned that Microsoft's own search engine is getting favored treatment, and said research it has sponsored shows that it's difficult to change the settings in the new browser to a rival search engine.

"The market favors open choice for search, and companies should compete for users based on their quality of search services," Marissa Mayer, Google's vice president of search products and user experience, said Monday.

Gary Schare, director of product management for Internet Explorer, said Redmond-based Microsoft's goal is to let users choose the search engine they want. He also said Microsoft's feedback has shown that it's not difficult to change to a different search engine.

"MSN has a certain amount of (market) share. This is not designed to change this," Schare said. "This is designed to essentially keep the status quo."

Internet Explorer's main competitors, Firefox and Opera, both include similar boxes with the default search engine set to Google, although users can change to another provider.

Google said it has talked about the browser feature with the U.S. Department of Justice and European Union regulators, although it has not filed any formal complaints.

Microsoft fought a long-running antitrust case with the Justice Department, and is awaiting a ruling on its appeal of an EU antitrust ruling against it. In both cases, competitors claimed that the company was using the dominance of its Windows operating system to wield influence over other markets, squelching competition. IE 7 will ship with the next version of Microsoft's Windows operating system, and also will be available for free download.

Analyst Rob Enderle said he thinks Google's complaints signal that the company is getting more aggressive in its competition against Microsoft, although he doesn't think the search box poses any serious threat to Google's business.

He added that Google's move was interesting in that, while Microsoft dominates the computer operating system market, Google is the dominant search engine provider. Nielsen/Net Ratings reported that Google had 49 percent of the U.S. search market share in March, compared with nearly 11 percent for Microsoft's MSN Search.

"Once you start raising unfairness questions, and you're the dominant player, then it would be very easy for somebody to use those arguments against you," Enderle said.

 

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If I remember right, when you are installing firefox, there is an option to pick what is your homepage... either google/firefox or something else. But I agree, microsoft should be able to put their homepage on their own software.
 

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Firefox has more than one search engine included, and it's open source. Google would be better off not complaining, because they're more likely to lose users who think they are being petty. Which they are.
 

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Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp
If I remember right, when you are installing firefox, there is an option to pick what is your homepage... either google/firefox or something else. But I agree, microsoft should be able to put their homepage on their own software.

Firefox has a google search box built right into it. Mozilla made 72 MILLION last year from bundling that in.

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3590756

Google whining to the antitrust about this is a freaking joke.
 

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Originally posted by: j00fek
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It's Microsoft's software. They can do anything they want to with it.

:thumbsup:


I agree, Microsoft paid for the R&D etc. Of course they are going to direct you back to their services. Hell, I don't feel like they even need to give an option to change it unless they want too.

BTW I am a diehard Firefox/Google user.
 

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Users who download IE 7 will be assigned a search engine preference based on the AutoSearch function from the previous version of IE, which is likely to be MSN Search. Google says it's concerned that Microsoft's own search engine is getting favored treatment, and said research it has sponsored shows that it's difficult to change the settings in the new browser to a rival search engine.
Are they fvcking kidding? I just installed the latest version of IE7 Beta 2 and on first run a big balloon popped up, pointing to the search toolbar that said "WANT TO USE GOOGLE AS YOUR DEFAULT SEARCH? CLICK HERE" :roll:

Now that may be because I previously had Google as my search provider, but it takes all of three clicks to change. What a crock.
 

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Originally posted by: loup garou
Users who download IE 7 will be assigned a search engine preference based on the AutoSearch function from the previous version of IE, which is likely to be MSN Search. Google says it's concerned that Microsoft's own search engine is getting favored treatment, and said research it has sponsored shows that it's difficult to change the settings in the new browser to a rival search engine.
Are they fvcking kidding? I just installed the latest version of IE7 Beta 2 and on first run a big balloon popped up, pointing to the search toolbar that said "WANT TO USE GOOGLE AS YOUR DEFAULT SEARCH? CLICK HERE" :roll:

Now that may be because I previously had Google as my search provider, but it takes all of three clicks to change. What a crock.

You actually had to click, and three times!?! Freaking MS monopoly, why couldn't they have made it easier?
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
...but they sure don't seem to have any problems bundling their own search engine into Firefox. :roll:
Don't forget a lot of new PC's having Google Toolbar & Search installed from the factory. :roll: If Google didn't have the shiznit for services I wouldn't use them on principal alone. Oh well
 

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whine whine whine, yet Google partners up with other browsers to have their page set to default. Are they really crying over this? Do they want to own the world?
 

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Microsoft can put in any search engine they want in their browser. If I ever do use it, the first thing I would do would be to change the search engine and since that option will be available, I don't give a damn either way.
 

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Bottom line, MS is leveraging their monopoly in the OS market, putting IE on every box out there running Windows, and then using that distribution to drive traffic to their search engine to try to beat the competition. Google has a very valid point, I'd have to agree with them on this one.

Google integrating their toolbar into FF is not the same, since FF is not the default browser on just about every PC in the world. Even if it was, Google and FF (Mozilla) are not the same company, so there is no tie-in or monopolistic predatory behavior.
 

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Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Bottom line, MS is leveraging their monopoly in the OS market, putting IE on every box out there running Windows, and then using that distribution to drive traffic to their search engine to try to beat the competition. Google has a very valid point, I'd have to agree with them on this one.

Google integrating their toolbar into FF is not the same, since FF is not the default browser on just about every PC in the world. Even if it was, Google and FF (Mozilla) are not the same company, so there is no tie-in or monopolistic predatory behavior.

How about Apple using Google as the default search on Safari? Google doesn't seem to have a problem with that. Of course not!

FYI, No one is forcing anyone to use MS products. They've really done nothing wrong. Google is just trying to force MS hand in not using it because THEY want to be the default search. MS allows you to change the search at any time.
 

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Or how about going after AOL and their keyword search in their software?

Oh wait...Google is a 5% stakeholder in AOL...won't be seeing that happen any time soon.
 

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I read the NY Times article

how are they hypocrites?
If I think you're thinking what I think I'm thinking, you've got it all confused.
 

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Originally posted by: joedrake
I read the NY Times article

how are they hypocrites?
If I think you're thinking what I think I'm thinking, you've got it all confused.

No one is thinking what you do. We're all smart enough to see the problem.
 

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Originally posted by: joedrake
I read the NY Times article

how are they hypocrites?
If I think you're thinking what I think I'm thinking, you've got it all confused.

IE7 will have a "search" box in the corner that uses the MSN search engine.
Firefox has a "search" box in the corner that uses the Google search engine.

Google is whining that MS shouldn't be allowed to do this.

How is this any different than Google paying Mozilla to bundle this into their browser?

I've NEVER bought into the monopoly issue surrounding IE and Windows. You can easily download another browser or simply go to "www.google.com".

They are turning a blind eye to their own practices.
 

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google = t3h satan...

I mean they say do no evil and all I see them do is evil.

sure they have some cool sh1t, but they evilness overshadows their cool products.

I don't like them and I try to stay away from all the crappy products they've been pushing out. the only thing I use is google search, they haven't messed that one up yet.

not to mention any software you install now has that embedded google toolbar or desktop trying to slip in. It's almost a standard checklist to do when installing software...

checklist:

1. run install command
2. look for evil google products trying to slip in through the install (uncheck tiny box)
3. finish install/reboot if needed.

:p
 

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
google = t3h satan...

I mean they say do no evil and all I see them do is evil.

sure they have some cool sh1t, but they evilness overshadows their cool products.

I don't like them and I try to stay away from all the crappy products they've been pushing out. the only thing I use is google search, they haven't messed that one up yet.

not to mention any software you install now has that embedded google toolbar or desktop trying to slip in. It's almost a standard checklist to do when installing software...

checklist:

1. run install command
2. look for evil google products trying to slip in through the install (uncheck tiny box)
3. finish install/reboot if needed.

:p

I've noticed that too. Soemtimes they hide Google Toolbar unless you select Custom Install. I like Google the search engine, but they are just as underhanded as any other company.
 

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Originally posted by: KuJaX
whine whine whine, yet Google partners up with other browsers to have their page set to default. Are they really crying over this? Do they want to own the world?

lol, is Google becoming the next Microsoft?