Goodbye kevlar, move over ballistic plate...meet FOAM armor!

kage69

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Afsaneh Rabiei, an engineer at NC State, has just created the next big thing when it comes to keeping our warfighters and law enforcement protected from ballistic damage. This is just amazing!

http://www.popsci.com/metal-foam-stops-bullet-in-less-than-an-inch

It doesn't just stop the bullet, it shreds it! And I'm not talking about 9mm ball - how about .30/06?! On top of this it's highly resistant to x ray, gamma, and neutron radiation!

This should prove more effective, cheaper, and easier to wear than Dragonskin, and will likely find it's way into helmets, vehicles, etc. So cool, hat's off to this lady - this will save lives. I sent her a congratulatory email.

Had to share because this is YUUUUGE - good thing this happened before we deport her, right? ;) (assuming she's muslim anyway)
 
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JSt0rm

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i find this hard to believe. that stuff looked like cloth and it barely moved when the bullet hit it.
 

Jaepheth

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Sounds great, but now begins the important debate.

Do we style the first suits of armor in the Fallout tradition, or the Warhammer 40K tradition?


Although, the article did neglect to mention how much this stuff weighs.
 
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MajinCry

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Sounds great, but now begins the important debate.

Do we style the first suits of armor in the Fallout tradition, or the Warhammer 40K tradition?


Although, the article did neglect to mention how much this stuff weighs.

No contest; Fallout is the way to go. Give me bullet-resistant clothes covered in rusted spikes, chains and shopping carts.

Wonder if this stuff can be used to make lamellar; stops blades AND bullets.
 

trenchfoot

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Methinks the military would restrict it's use, if not its manufacturing processes for defense purposes claiming national security concerns.

In that light, the Chinese should already have the process in their possession and their production lines up and running in a few weeks.

edit - Saving lives and limbs is always a good thing, so props to the soon to be very wealthy engineer.....and college. ;)
 
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RampantAndroid

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The article also says it's backed by either aluminum or kevlar as well...so this is just an additional layer of protection...
 

kage69

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What happens when they start making bullets out of this stuff?

Given the non-uniform consistency of foam and how that relates to the needs of bullet design, my guess is someone will have wasted a lot of time and money to make a bullet that can't hit shit.

I would like to see this stuff get tested against military grade projectiles featuring steel core penetrater, and given this is pretty much still beta we probably will.
 

RampantAndroid

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What happens when they start making bullets out of this stuff?

You don't want bullets that absorb energy. You want bullets that focus all their energy on a single point and transfer as much as possible to the target. Making a bullet from foam will make the impulse be over a longer period of time. Desirable for non-lethal rounds, undesirable if you want to penetrate materials or kill.
 

1prophet

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Afsaneh Rabiei, an engineer at NC State, has just created the next big thing when it comes to keeping our warfighters and law enforcement protected from ballistic damage. This is just amazing!

http://www.popsci.com/metal-foam-stops-bullet-in-less-than-an-inch

It doesn't just stop the bullet, it shreds it! And I'm not talking about 9mm ball - how about .30/06?! On top of this it's highly resistant to x ray, gamma, and neutron radiation!

This should prove more effective, cheaper, and easier to wear than Dragonskin, and will likely find it's way into helmets, vehicles, etc. So cool, hat's off to this lady - this will save lives. I sent her a congratulatory email.

Had to share because this is YUUUUGE - good thing this happened before we deport her, right? ;) (assuming she's muslim anyway)
http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/science_nation/metalfoam.jsp
January 25, 2010

She is from Iran and an example of what women can and should be.

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Inventor Realizes Dream to Create Stronger Metal Foam

New material absorbs seven to eight times the energy absorbed by similar foams

Mechanical and aerospace engineering professor Afsaneh Rabiei set out to make a material as light as aluminum and stronger than stainless steel.
Her goal was to create something that could be used in products that would save lives, save energy and eventually save money, all at the same time.

It was quite a demanding engineering puzzle. But Rabiei has taken on many complex tasks. She began her studies of materials science and metallurgy at Sharif University of Technology in Tehran, Iran. After working in industry for a while, she earned her doctorate from the University of Tokyo.
"I received a full scholarship from the Japanese government and that was a starting point of a very interesting stage of my life," Rabiei recalls. "Being a woman in engineering is always challenging, but you wouldn't know how challenging it can be until you work in various countries like Iran and Japan. I really enjoy challenging myself and that was why I can look back and tell you confidently that I will not exchange that experience with anything else in my life."

After the University of Tokyo, she added another world-class university to her resume as a post-doctoral researcher at Harvard.
Now a professor at North Carolina State University in Raleigh, Rabiei has indeed invented a material that's both light and strong. With help from the National Science Foundation (NSF), she created an ultra-high-strength composite metal foam that is capable of making safety devices that can be used in body armor, biomedical implants, car bumpers and even in braces to protect historical buildings against earthquakes.

In some ways "foam" is counter to what people think of when they think "strong."
But by looking at the cellular structure in nature, from leaves to feathers to the human bone, you will notice that the protective structures are mostly made of spongy materials, not solid materials. Even in daily life, delicate objects are often protected by spongy materials such as packing peanuts or bubble wraps.

"For many years, scientists and engineers were trying to remove all the voids and all the air pockets from metals to make them stronger. The concept goes back to solid mechanics and materials, when a simple air pocket can be a source or point for stress concentration. So when you apply a load to the material, it will fail or break around the void area," Rabiei explains.

While there are other metal foams in the market, Rabiei's is unique because she is using uniform hollow metal spheres, combined with a metal matrix. That helps the foam absorb energy much better than similar materials that have uneven cell structures or lack a metallic matrix. The foam she has created absorbs seven to eight times the energy absorbed by other metal foams made from similar materials.

Rabiei's foams can be made from stainless steel and various other metals. For biomedical applications, such as hip and knee implants, her metal foam can be created from titanium or cobalt chromium.

"So, if you put it in the body, the body will like it much better than a solid, heavy material because it is light and its mechanical properties are matching with that of bone," explains Rabiei, who also teaches biomedical engineering.

Rabiei is working with the U.S. military to create both human and vehicle armors using her metal foams. The same energy absorbing capability of these foams could also protect occupants in cars, trucks, trains and airplanes.

"If you are sitting in a car and have an accident, the solid structure of a current car is going to basically transfer all the impact energy to the body of the car and eventually to our bodies," says Rabiei. But, if there is metal foam behind the bumper, it will absorb much of the impact energy and protect the passengers.

"Our comparison showed if you have a car accident at 28 miles per hour, it will feel like 5 miles per hour for the passenger sitting in the car," notes Rabiei.

The applications for composite metal foams are widespread, ranging from moving structures such as cars, trucks, trains and airplanes to stationary structures such as buildings.

While many structures built now in earthquake zones are constructed with special materials to absorb the energy of a quake, older structures are still at risk.

"We can use this material and retrofit it into the current structure and make it safer, so the vibration of the earthquake can be absorbed by this material. This way, a historic building can be protected without taking any risk of digging into the foundation and adding the anti-vibration materials in there," explains Rabiei.

Rabiei says it is sometimes difficult to get industries to adopt something new when the products they now have seem to be working well. It's the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mindset. That's why her metal foam can be created with equipment in existing foundries and factories.

"We try to make it very user friendly. You don't need state of the art equipment. A simple furnace, a simple mold, a simple hot press should work fine," she says.

As metal foam products become components in various structures, they will bring cost savings and environmental benefits.

"If you look at the progress that we have made with technology in the past 20 years, from large computers to small laptops, from large telephones to small cell phones, you will see that there is a trend of making things more efficient," says Rabiei. "We know that we have limited resources on Earth and this is another reason for using our resources wisely."


Outside of the lab, Rabiei is just as passionate about educating young people on the exciting opportunities in engineering. She tries to reach young people, especially girls, in elementary school, when she feels they are curious and not as inhibited about exploring.

"I do believe if you go to kindergarten through fifth grade, in elementary school, that's where kids get excited quicker, and you can put a seed down in their mind that can later grow," she explains. "You don't want them to get motivated just for the money or just for the prestige of the job, but for what they do."

"Try until you get it done because that satisfaction is absolutely incomparable," she adds.
It was a school experience that helped lock in Rabiei's career choice. When she was in high school, Rabiei wanted to be a surgeon. But a field trip inspired her to choose engineering instead.

"I was just debating until we had a tour of a factory. I looked at this molten metal... it's hot, it's heavy, and it's under your control," she recalls. "So I was impressed with the field of materials science and engineering. I thought that being a surgeon was interesting, but I thought I could change the world as an engineer."
 

Fenixgoon

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shens - misleading title - that's not just foam armor. it's a BC strikeface with a metal foam center and an aluminum backing plate. it's a composite system :)

The armor itself is just an inch thick, and it’s made of boron carbide ceramics as the strike face, a composite metal foam as an energy-absorbing middle later, and either a strong aluminum 7075 or Kevlar panels backing it up.
 

leper84

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Sounds great, but now begins the important debate.

Do we style the first suits of armor in the Fallout tradition, or the Warhammer 40K tradition?


Although, the article did neglect to mention how much this stuff weighs.


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woolfe9998

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If legit, it looks like a cool tech. However, how effective it is in stopping projectiles isn't the only issue. It also matters if it can be mass produced at a reasonable price. If it's super expensive, it won't see much use.
 

werepossum

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If legit, it looks like a cool tech. However, how effective it is in stopping projectiles isn't the only issue. It also matters if it can be mass produced at a reasonable price. If it's super expensive, it won't see much use.
For body armor, heat transmission is a big concern as well. Aerogel is an even better energy absorbing layer IFF the strike face remains intact. But given that aerogel is an incredible insulator you'd best be fighting in space or the arctic, else you'll run for cover and have a heat stroke half way there.
 

kage69

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For body armor, heat transmission is a big concern as well. Aerogel is an even better energy absorbing layer IFF the strike face remains intact. But given that aerogel is an incredible insulator you'd best be fighting in space or the arctic, else you'll run for cover and have a heat stroke half way there.

That's a good point to bring up. Wearing armor even in a temperate climate will still cook you plenty quick if you are running around for long with the normal carbine, ammo and misc gear to haul. Imagine doing it when it's 92 degrees in the shade.

The Canadians came out with a capillary cooling bodysuit awhile ago. I've heard it's been a big hit with chopper pilots, maybe we'll see something to that effect for infantry, integrated into the armor or their packs, with no pump and water suitcase to carry around.

One more reason to fight at night ;)
 

CZroe

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Muslim isn't a race....
...which is why I didn't say that. He associated her with the religion for no other reason than her perceived race, so it was an assumption based on race. I don't make it a point to address Christianity just because we're talking about an unrelated white person any more than I would address Buddhism in relation to any Chinese person or Hinduism in relation to any person from India.

"Oh, man! His name is 'Gupta?' I hope he doesn't try to convert me to Hinduism! He better not expect us to go vegan just because he'll be working with us!"

"Oh, man! Her name is 'Ling?' Quick! Order a golden Buddha and put it at the front desk to make her feel more welcome." :rolleyes:
 
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kage69

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...which is why I didn't say that. He associated her with the religion for no other reason than her perceived race, so it was an assumption based on race. I don't make it a point to address Christianity just because we're talking about an unrelated white person any more than I would address Buddhism in relation to any Chinese person or Hinduism in relation to any person from India.

"Oh, man! His name is 'Gupta?' I hope he doesn't try to convert me to Hinduism! He better not expect us to go vegan just because he'll be working with us!"

"Oh, man! Her name is 'Ling?' Quick! Order a golden Buddha and put it at the front desk to make her feel more welcome." :rolleyes:

Please don't pull a Fern, you're better than that.

I went by her name, which sounded more Lebanese or Persian to me at the time, and used it to make a tongue in cheek jab at Drumpf. Jesus, lighten the fuck up Francis.

I even stated upfront I was making an assumption. Ugh.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Referencing a poster who is not participating in a thread is against our rules.

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