Good News for Libs - Creepy Joe has massive lead in the Polls!

[dank69]

I think the media is in part to blame for the gradual shift away from policies being a main concern of voters and the subsequent shift of quite a lot of voters to whether they'd like to "have a beer" with the candidate in question.

It didn't happen overnight. I think it happened gradually probably beginning in the 70's or maybe 60's and probably really sped up in the 90's and beyond.
Maybe my time line is off but it was a long process I am convinced


President Obama outcampaigned Hillary and sort of got lucky with the crash facing off against McCain (although he campaigned well in the general as well) and also beat Romney with a good campaign.

As for Trump he just lied and Hillary well the phrase "self-inflicted wound" does apply among other reasons. I could provide links but lately don't expect anyone to look at supporting evidence and/or arguments on certain subjects anymore.


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I'm going to let you in on a little secret. The media for the most part simply reacts to what people want.

 

[blankslate]

I'm going to let you in on a little secret. The media for the most part simply reacts to what people want.

As if media never took into account what the owners or CEOs of said media desired. Hint it has happened and probably will again.


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[dank69]

As if media never took into account what the owners or CEOs of said media desired. Hint it has happened and probably will again.


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I didn't say never. That is your word.

 

[blankslate]

I didn't say never. That is your word.

nice parse. additionally the media also is effective at convincing people to want what the media wants them to want out of campaigns.
more often than you apparently give them credit for.

 

[soundforbjt]

I guess that would be okay. The kids did seem to love Sassy Joe Biden memes, but I don't think those play well as POTUS.
Just please, not the presidential candidate.

I'll take anyone who can defeat Trump, there's already many Dems running who have zero to little chance of doing that. Unfortunately policy doesn't decide elections anymore for the most part, it's name recognition and popularity and who's the best salesman.

 

[umbrella39]

Low energy Trump

I freed myself from his tiny hands before he boarded... I wasn't going anywhere with him.

 

[dank69]

nice parse. additionally the media also is effective at convincing people to want what the media wants them to want out of campaigns.
more often than you apparently give them credit for.

Marketing teams are effective at that shit. You seem to have fallen victim to the same conflation that has contributed to the mass delusion that mainstream media is liberally biased. Entertainment media is extremely liberally biased. Their job is to essentially push boundaries because nobody wants to see the same old shit. Rush Limbaugh used that fact to tap into and eventually control his conservative audience because the liberal media disgusted them. Once they were hooked he started blurring the lines between entertainment media and informational media (journalism/documentaries/etc.). "When news organizations cover current events, why don't they mention how horrified we all should be about x? It's because they are also biased. That's why you need me because I'll reaffirm the disgust you feel." After 4 decades of that shit it's just reflexive for conservatives and independents alike: mainstream news outlets are biased against conservatism.

 

[Viper1j]

Actual meaningful character comes from within.

To me, somebody who voted for Iraq war is either incompetant or immoral, and can not be trusted with the keys to the white house.

To me, somebody who votes for trade deals that result in outsourcing american jobs has low moral character, and can not be trusted.

To me, somebody who promises vague promises without any sort of plan or sharing any detais, can not be trusted to deliver.

Biden is a very likable guy, but, He is owned by big business. He wont appeal to the under 50 crowd, and, he will get a normal size turn out, just like Hillary.

But fucking your own flesh and blood daughter is ok? Using the Constitution as toilet paper is ok?

(Channeling Adam Schiff) YOU might think it's ok to engage in those behaviors. YOU might say "it's just the way things are.." But I don't think it's ok. And the day we think it's ok, will be the day America lost her way.

 

[BurnItDwn]

But fucking your own flesh and blood daughter is ok? Using the Constitution as toilet paper is ok?

(Channeling Adam Schiff) YOU might think it's ok to engage in those behaviors. YOU might say "it's just the way things are.." But I don't think it's ok. And the day we think it's ok, will be the day America lost her way.

You are right that Trump is MUCH worse than Biden, Trump is perhaps the very worst of the worst in all of american history.


I'm simply saying that if you ask people to choose the lesser of 2 evils, you are gonna get a lot of people who don't bother to come to the polls.

I voted for Kerry once, Obama twice and Clinton once. I was not very enthusiastic voting for Clinton. She won the popular vote by over 2% and still lost overall due to all the wonderful voter suppression, election fraud, and gerrymandering on account of the republican party.

If you want to Win as a democrat, you have to work twice as hard as the republican and earn a LOT more votes. Democrats win if they convince working people who don't have free time to come and vote. Biden "I don't have empathy for millenials" is going to draw any voters?
Nerds like me, sure, we will go and vote to stop trump. But, that didn't work before, and it is insanity to think that the same garbage tactics and will yield different results.



In conclusion: Trump is a fucking imbecile shitbag and still took the office. This is proof to me that you can not win an election just by being likable, you need substance.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I freed myself from his tiny hands before he boarded... I wasn't going anywhere with him.

Full video, I remember watching this live.
I think it was msnbc. The reporter was saying
The umbrella is still there.....

 

[blankslate]

You seem to have fallen victim to the same conflation that has contributed to the mass delusion that mainstream media is liberally biased.

Nope I believe that mainstream media is biased to their bottom line... insofar as media being socially liberal biased it is mostly because whether caucasian, asian, native american, etc. or straight or gay or bi, etc. all of these demographics are potential customers so why alienate them?

Look afiak this protracted argument started with me citing a source that posited that the President Obama administration largely agreed with my assessment of Hillary running a "scripted, soulless campaign" everything else is just extraneous (best word I can think of that fits) now we can argue back and forth over how much intrinsic or extrinsic factors rule over the voters' decisions but whatever you want....

I guess....


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*e2a* so I guess my main assertion is that unless you or others can refute that or New York Times White House Correspondent Peter Baker turns out to be a liar and President Obama and his camp denies the new edition of the biography (so far afiak the official word from his camp was to the effect of "no comment"), we're just arguing over a distraction from my main point made days ago (however interesting and possibly enlightening as that distraction may be).... which is Hillary's campaign = "scripted, soulless"

seriously I invite you to go over my posts in that other thread.


So this is my question to you... what sources do you have to refute my assertion based on these sources...
BOOK: Obama Took 2016 Election as ‘Personal Insult,’ Blamed Hillary’s ‘Soulless, Scripted Campaign’

the current discussion about how much media merely reacts to what its audience desires vs. how much it influences what the audience desires is only tangentially related to my recent statements (quite similar to long held opinions about it admittedly) about how the Hillary general 2016 election campaign was handled.... however interesting it might be to me personally....

 

[dank69]

Nope I believe that mainstream media is biased to their bottom line... insofar as media being socially liberal biased it is mostly because whether caucasian, asian, native american, etc. or straight or gay or bi, etc. all of these demographics are potential customers so why alienate them?

Look afiak this protracted argument started with me citing a source that posited that the President Obama administration largely agreed with my assessment of Hillary running a "scripted, soulless campaign" everything else is just extraneous (best word I can think of that fits) now we can argue back and forth over how much intrinsic or extrinsic factors rule over the voters' decisions but whatever you want....

I guess....


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*e2a* so I guess my main assertion is that unless you or others can refute that or New York Times White House Correspondent Peter Baker turns out to be a liar and President Obama and his camp denies the new edition of the biography (so far afiak the official word from his camp was to the effect of "no comment"), we're just arguing over a distraction from my main point made days ago (however interesting and possibly enlightening as that distraction may be).... which is Hillary's campaign = "scripted, soulless"

seriously I invite you to go over my posts in that other thread.


So this is my question to you... what sources do you have to refute my assertion based on these sources...
BOOK: Obama Took 2016 Election as ‘Personal Insult,’ Blamed Hillary’s ‘Soulless, Scripted Campaign’

the current discussion about how much media merely reacts to what its audience desires vs. how much it influences what the audience desires is only tangentially related to my recent statements (quite similar to long held opinions about it admittedly) about how the Hillary general 2016 election campaign was handled.... however interesting it might be to me personally....

Nobody is claiming Obama didn't say that or that Baker was lying. People are saying it should not have mattered. Every American should have been smart enough to vote against Trump even if his opponent's entire platform was "a pile of dog shit on every plate." Every person who voted for Trump because Hillary ran a scripted, soulless campaign has demonstrated that they are incapable of making an informed decision about any candidate (but I will still fight for their right to take a dump at the polling station).

Regarding our tangent, hopefully you can at least recognize the difference between entertainment media and informational media, as you seem to have completely ignored that point. It's an important distinction and not being able to tell the difference leads to Republicans and "independents" that only seem to be able to criticize liberals.

 

[blankslate]

Regarding our tangent, hopefully you can at least recognize the difference between entertainment media and informational media, as you seem to have completely ignored that point.

No I just realized that informational media has borrowed techniques from entertainment media to make what they present to audiences more enticing thus blurring the lines between the two a lot of the times.

So some people are saying campaigns shouldn't matter? well what is the alternative? A campaign would just be a press conference in which the candidates present their parties' platforms and then after a few weeks the voters vote... I guess that would be nice....

but based on the result of the 2016 campaign I think we can see that campgaigns do matter... regardless of whether they should or not.

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[compuwiz1]

Joe will most likely be the Democrat nominee at this point. Look at the polls. It's over. Unfortunately, the Dems have nowhere to go from there. That's what happens when the party has no tangible message, except impeach Trump, same identity politics as usual and free shit, free shit, and more free shit. Too bad there is not an electable candidate running. I will probably vote for Joe over Trump, but in my heart, I don't believe he will win. Why would I vote for him? He's more moderate, not so far left as the other candidates and I don't think anything too bad would happen under his presidency. Beyond that, I don't see much progress, economy wise, border control wise, health care. I'd expect to maintain the status quo.

 

[TheVrolok]

I'm curious, do you have an alert set up for when I post or are you doing a periodic manual search so you don't miss an opportunity to comment.

BTW, I own three houses so I really don't need to live rent free between your ears. I appreciate the opportunity though.

#internetsleadingidiot #stalker

Lol, the "owning three houses" brag. LOL.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Joe will most likely be the Democrat nominee at this point. Look at the polls. It's over. Unfortunately, the Dems have nowhere to go from there. That's what happens when the party has no tangible message, except impeach Trump, same identity politics as usual and free shit, free shit, and more free shit. Too bad there is not an electable candidate running. I will probably vote for Joe over Trump, but in my heart, I don't believe he will win. Why would I vote for him? He's more moderate, not so far left as the other candidates and I don't think anything too bad would happen under his presidency. Beyond that, I don't see much progress, economy wise, border control wise, health care. I'd expect to maintain the status quo.

Those polls only polled about 1000 people, and something like 60% of the people polled were age 50 and over.

Also, there's still a long time left in this primary. It's not over until it's over.
Clinton was ahead of Obama through much of 2007....

Also, Biden doesn't have a majority, he has like 40% based on a heavily age biased poll of "landline" phones.

We need some "real" polling data with larger sample sizes, and better representation of a cross section of America.
Also, it's important to look at #2 choice/#2 pick for most folks.

I might favor Sanders, but would be more or less equally happy with Warren, Gabbard, or Yang. Julian Castro looks very promising. Jay Inslee seems to have some strong policy ideas.

If the people who have actual progressive policy plans can unite behind one single "uncorrupt" candidate, then they should be able to beat big money Biden... However, having 20% support here, 10% there, and 5% somewhere else, and 1 and 2% in other candidates... it's going to be a very uphill battle.

Biden may as well run as a republican, as his policies are more in line with guys like Dwight D Eisenhower than FDR.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm curious, do you have an alert set up for when I post or are you doing a periodic manual search so you don't miss an opportunity to comment.

BTW, I own three houses so I really don't need to live rent free between your ears. I appreciate the opportunity though.

#internetsleadingidiot #stalker

Lol, the "owning three houses" brag. LOL.

Land is cheap in Russia & Troll Factory guys get paid around $50k US equivalent. Good for him investing it wisely.

 

[Commodus]

Joe will most likely be the Democrat nominee at this point. Look at the polls. It's over. Unfortunately, the Dems have nowhere to go from there. That's what happens when the party has no tangible message, except impeach Trump, same identity politics as usual and free shit, free shit, and more free shit. Too bad there is not an electable candidate running. I will probably vote for Joe over Trump, but in my heart, I don't believe he will win. Why would I vote for him? He's more moderate, not so far left as the other candidates and I don't think anything too bad would happen under his presidency. Beyond that, I don't see much progress, economy wise, border control wise, health care. I'd expect to maintain the status quo.

Right now, I think most Americans (if not by a huge margin) would be happy with a return to the status quo. The primary goal of any good presidential candidate is to erase all of Trump's policies and restore baseline levels of competency, integrity and respect in government.

 

[vi edit]

Primary season 2020 is A LONG ways away. Fundraising, health, better messaging, some kind of dirt getting turned up, ect have a lot of time to shift things wildly. I've been impressed with Warren's ability to stay on task and how she's clawing back point by point to be in the mix. Will be interesting where she is sitting in January 2020.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Primary season 2020 is A LONG ways away. Fundraising, health, better messaging, some kind of dirt getting turned up, ect have a lot of time to shift things wildly. I've been impressed with Warren's ability to stay on task and how she's clawing back point by point to be in the mix. Will be interesting where she is sitting in January 2020.

Her 40 minute "Why we need to impeach Trump" was extremely well laid out and clearly stated. She is an amazing candidate for sure.

 

[glenn1]

Right now, I think most Americans (if not by a huge margin) would be happy with a return to the status quo.

LOL, so basically the principles of the conservative side? Funny how the Republicans have become the party of radical ideas and wanting to completely upend the status quo while the Dems have become the defenders of the ideas of the 1930s Great Deal and wanting to tap your ruby shoes together saying "there's no place like home" and returning there.

 

[Commodus]

LOL, so basically the principles of the conservative side? Funny how the Republicans have become the party of radical ideas and wanting to completely upend the status quo while the Dems have become the defenders of the ideas of the 1930s Great Deal and wanting to tap your ruby shoes together saying "there's no place like home" and returning there.

Er, no.

As I said, the goal is to return competency, integrity and respect. Smashing the system only matters if you have something good to replace it, and right now Trump and the Republicans don't. I don't think "eroding the fundamentals of democracy," "fostering xenophobia" and "courting the rich at the expense of everyone else" are healthy ways to shake things up, do you?

The point is to get back to basic level of genuinely functional government before exploring more substantial reforms. I want a US government where truth matters. Where accountability matters. Where compassion and the idea of a greater public interest matter. You can't have any of those until Trump is out of office, and it will likely require eliminating the Republicans' Senate majority as well.