Good Linux support they say...

[Olikan]

Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux, has called out NVIDIA for their poor graphics drivers / support in a public presentation. In the talk he called NVIDIA "the single worst company we have ever dealt with" and ended his green comments with "NVIDIA: FUCK YOU!"

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEyMTc

 

[busydude]

He was actually referring to nvidia in the mobile(android) space.

 

[Homeles]

He was actually referring to nvidia in the mobile(android) space.

No he wasn't.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Linux evolves around him. He behaves like he does. Anyone else see´s the problem?

Or as someone else wrote:

certainly does nothing to alleviate the old stereotype of Linux users as insanely unstable in regards to any shun of their sacred cow

Or another:

Linus Torvalds... The same guy who jumps to fix any insignificant bug report by a major company but will not fix basic problems in the kernel that affect non-corporate users...

What a hypocrite.

Totally destroyed desktop Linux in the past few years...

Don't let programmers design the program.

nVidia might be wrong and all. But this is not how you solve it. It only makes sure you burn more bridges. And why Linux marketshare is what it is.

 

[Stoneburner]

He should have walked up to JHH and the nvidia posse at the club and hit him with a champagne bottle.

 

[Genx87]

If Nvidia is this bad what are his opinions of AMD? And I guess the question becomes what graphics card works well with Linux if Nvidia and AMD suck? Intel? What a joy.

Edit:After reading the article. It sounds like he has sour grapes Nvidia doesnt provide an open source driver. So the OPs quote is a bit misleading. Nvidia's closed source driver is considered pretty good.

 

[Homeles]

If Nvidia is this bad what are his opinions of AMD? And I guess the question becomes what graphics card works well with Linux if Nvidia and AMD suck? Intel? What a joy.

Edit:After reading the article. It sounds like he has sour grapes Nvidia doesnt provide an open source driver. So the OPs quote is a bit misleading. Nvidia's closed source driver is considered pretty good.

Linux and AMD are in bed together... they both support the FOSS ideology, while Nvidia supports proprietary bullshit.

AMD is sympathetic to Linux's cause... they just don't have the resources Nvidia does.

 

[Vesku]

They've had 10+ years to open up more to Linux kernel developers, I think Linus' statements are pretty tame actually. Linus has actually refrained from being critical of closed kernel drivers until this very public statement.

Linux evolves around him. He behaves like he does. Anyone else see´s the problem?

Or as someone else wrote:


Or another:


nVidia might be wrong and all. But this is not how you solve it. It only makes sure you burn more bridges. And why Linux marketshare is what it is.

 

[busydude]

No he wasn't.

I am sure you haven't watched the video. Watch the whole Q&A and come back please.

 

[busydude]

Linux and AMD are in bed together... they both support the FOSS ideology, while Nvidia supports proprietary bullshit.

AMD is sympathetic to Linux's cause... they just don't have the resources Nvidia does.

AMD use to have close-drivers until recently.. and compared to Nvidia.. their support is elementary.

 

[Olikan]

I am sure you haven't watched the video. Watch the whole Q&A and come back please.

here, the important part...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19jUboon5gI

AMD use to have close-drivers until recently.. and compared to Nvidia.. their support is elementary

well, it looks like linus disagree....:whiste:

 

[blackened23]

Linux evolves around him. He behaves like he does. Anyone else see´s the problem?

Or as someone else wrote:


Or another:


nVidia might be wrong and all. But this is not how you solve it. It only makes sure you burn more bridges. And why Linux marketshare is what it is.

Do you even realize and understand who Linus Torvolds is? He's legendary in the software world and is the chief architect of the linux kernel. So i'd say linux does evolve around him.

Yet again, others posters bash AMD since that is somehow related to how Torvolds views nvidia. How is that even relevant? Interesting, very interesting.

 

[SlowSpyder]

He should stop sugar-coating it and tell us how he really feels. Lol


Same old story here, someone is criticising Nvidia and some members here want to bring AMD into this to turn this into something it shouldn't be... a flamefest < sigh > Oh noes! Someone said something bad about Nvidia! Bring in AMD diversion, stat!

 

[blackened23]

He should stop sugar-coating it and tell us how he really feels. Lol


Same old story here, someone is criticising Nvidia and some members want to bring AMD into this to turn this into something it shouldn't be... < sigh >

Yep.

3 ways to discuss the issue:

1) Intelligently point out that nvidia has good closed source drivers
2) Discuss the relevance of open source software
3) Most retarded option - bash AMD instead of making an intelligent argument on nvidias behalf

 

[ShintaiDK]

Do you even realize and understand who Linus Torvolds is? He's legendary in the software world and is the chief architect of the linux kernel. So i'd say linux does evolve around him.

I know who he is. But what he is doing is very damaging. If Linux only evolves around Linus. Then what happens when Linus aint there anymore? His behavious is very destructive, specially towards Linux.

 

[Vesku]

Linus was actually one of the few holding back the tide on closed drivers. You would have thought companies would be willing to help him out a bit in order to slow or prevent Linux development heading away from them. Seems they will now be implementing the naming and shaming of drivers in the Linux error system.

I wouldn't call giving hardware makers 8+ years (when devs started getting vocal about closed drivers) to show they can work with the kernel devs, destructive.

I know who he is. But what he is doing is very damaging. If Linux only evolves around Linus. Then what happens when Linus aint there anymore? His behavious is very destructive, specially towards Linux.

 

[Homeles]

I am sure you haven't watched the video. Watch the whole Q&A and come back please.

I have watched it. I think you need to watch it again.

AMD use to have close-drivers until recently.. and compared to Nvidia.. their support is elementary.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I stated.

 

[Genx87]

Do you even realize and understand who Linus Torvolds is? He's legendary in the software world and is the chief architect of the linux kernel. So i'd say linux does evolve around him.

Yet again, others posters bash AMD since that is somehow related to how Torvolds views nvidia. How is that even relevant? Interesting, very interesting.

If you read what I wrote it would be relevant. Given what the OP quoted. If he doesnt like Nvidia, AMD is worse. So who does he like? Intel? Via? It wasnt a bash on AMD as much as questioning which GPU gets the Linus seal of approval.

That said after reading the article. He is whining about closed vs open drivers. Boohooo.

 

[Homeles]

If you read what I wrote it would be relevant. Given what the OP quoted. If he doesnt like Nvidia, AMD is worse. So who does he like? Intel? Via? It wasnt a bash on AMD as much as questioning which GPU gets the Linus seal of approval.

That said after reading the article. He is whining about closed vs open drivers. Boohooo.

Aww, aren't you cute. Reducing his attack to "whining."

Nvidia and Linux are ideologically opposed. You're not going to see Linus happy with Nvidia ever, unless Nvidia decides to change their promotion of proprietary standards.

 

[notty22]

Here is some counter-opinion.
Linus Torvalds F-bombs Nvidia over lack of Linux support

Torvalds&#8217; frustration is worsened by the fact that Nvidia is unwilling to support Linux despite being a big player in the Android market with its Tegra line of ARM chips, especially given that Android is based on the Linux kernel.
While I agree &#8212; and in many ways sympathize &#8212; with Torvalds&#8217; point about Nvidia with regards to Linux support, I don&#8217;t agree with the suggestion that any community is entitled to anything beyond what a company advertises as offering. We do have to bear in mind that Nvidia is under no obligation to do anything to help the Linux community, and any suggestion that Nvidia &#8212; or any other company &#8211; should play nicely with open source is based on nothing more than a feeling of entitlement.
Considering the overall size of the Linux desktop and notebook market share, it&#8217;s a tiny drop in the ocean compared to Nvidia&#8217;s other markets. It makes sense for Nvidia to embrace the Android market because it has found a way to make money from it, but it makes little sense for the company to sink R&D money into Linux on the desktop, no matter how many F-bombs Torvalds drops or how many times he flips the bird

Linus has made other public call-outs recently. I remember this in the tech news recently.

Prediction: instead of Oracle coming out and admitting they were morons about their idiotic suit against Android, they'll come out posturing and talk about how they'll be vindicated, and pay lawyers to take it to the next level of idiocy.

 

[AnandThenMan]

If Nvidia is this bad what are his opinions of AMD?

If AMD is bad, what are his opinions of Intel. Wait, if Intel is bad, what are his opinions of Matrox? See how much that adds to the discussion?

 

[3DVagabond]

OMG! D: Someone thinks nVidia is hard to work with? Say it ain't so. It must be all his fault, because I've heard nothing but how nice nVidia is. They hate proprietary, IP, locked out, software. /sarc

 

[AnandThenMan]

Here is some counter-opinion.
Linus Torvalds F-bombs Nvidia over lack of Linux support

That author is either intentionally being dishonest, or just stupid. Linus is not expecting Nvidia to invest a single dime, to write drivers or anything of the kind. He is simply hoping for Nvidia to release the specs so that the Linux community can write their own drivers.

As for the notion that Nvidia doesn't owe the Linux community anything, I would imagine in Nvidia's view they don't, but Nvidia certainly stands to profit from Linux more and more going forward, both on the mobile and super computing side of things. So a tiny amount of reciprocation from Nvidia is not too much to ask.

 

[Genx87]

Aww, aren't you cute. Reducing his attack to "whining."

Nvidia and Linux are ideologically opposed. You're not going to see Linus happy with Nvidia ever, unless Nvidia decides to change their promotion of proprietary standards.

You mean their promotion of closed drivers that work? Boohooo.

 

[Homeles]

You mean their promotion of closed drivers that work? Boohooo.

Really, it is quite adorable. You are apparently completely incapable of grasping why Linus hates Nvidia. Hint: it has nothing to do with driver quality.