Good grief, enough with the MJ worship...

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Deeko

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Jun 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: KDOG
He was a piece of shit child molester!

He was never conviccted.

:roll:

I'm just sayin'. 12 people agreed, and it was the only 12 people that mattered.

Innocent people usually don't settle for $22m outside of court.

That's pocket change to him in those days. If I could pay $5 and not have to go through the hassle of a high profile court case, I'd do it too. He also said it was for the sake of the kid, who was being subjected to a huge amount of pressure from the media....something I think MJ as a kid is a little familiar with, and kinda messed him up.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Danwar
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Ns1


I'm just sayin'. 12 people agreed, and it was the only 12 people that mattered.


Ah, so that means it is true! Good thing we've never heard of a jury being wrong before.

what jury?

if im not mistaken , all of the cases he was involved in were $ettled out of court.

with enough dough or a good lawyer (hallo there OJ! ) you can get away with almost anything nowadays.

No, there was a criminal trial in which he was found not guilty.
 

WaTaGuMp

Lifer
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: KDOG
He was a piece of shit child molester!

He was never conviccted.

Neither was OJ, sorta.

There was a hell of a lot more evidence in the OJ case. I can see where there would be some doubt over the MJ case.

OJ walked, so my point is a jury doesn't mean the right call was made. I am not taking a side for or against, just leaving it up to a jury doesn't mean squat sometimes.
 

OCGuy

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Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

I wonder what we could dig up on you if we put your entire life under the public microscope Jackson lived under for 50 years.

Stop being a douche, the guy is dead.

Yea, I mean really who doesnt have a little MJ like sickness inside them?


Who doesnt feed pre-teens "Jesus Juice" and sleep in beds with them?






.......
 

Deeko

Lifer
Jun 16, 2000
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Deeko

OJ lost his civil suit.

beyond a reasonable doubt vs preponderanceof the evidence

I'm familiar with the difference. Fact remains - OJ lost in court, MJ has not.
 

acheron

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: acheron
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Ns1


I'm just sayin'. 12 people agreed, and it was the only 12 people that mattered.


Ah, so that means it is true! Good thing we've never heard of a jury being wrong before.

Apparently you have better evidence than they did, then?

Let's see. He went on trial for it several times. He gave children alcohol and called it Jesus Juice.

If you were a parent, would you send your child to MJ's estate for a "sleep over" if it's common knowledge that he's giving children alcohol and raping them? Of course you wouldn't. But parents did it anyway and he kept getting accused of child molestation.

Do the math. Just because a jury couldn't convict him doesn't mean he's not a piece of shit child-raping hell spawn.

He was one of the most influential faces in music, yes, but he threw all of that away with his psychopath antics in the past decade.

This is about as much as I care that he's dead: ---> . <---

I don't care about him at all, even his music (beyond maybe some of his early stuff with the Jackson 5). This isn't even about Jackson specifically. I just think it's ridiculous that people think they know more about what happened from reading fourth-hand reports than the people actually at the trial who were presented with all the actual evidence.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

I wonder what we could dig up on you if we put your entire life under the public microscope Jackson lived under for 50 years.

Stop being a douche, the guy is dead.

Yea, I mean really who doesnt have a little MJ like sickness inside them?


Who doesnt feed pre-teens "Jesus Juice" and sleep in beds with them?






.......

alleged....says some money hungry white trash. I would lie for 22 million all day
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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Originally posted by: acheron
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: acheron
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Ns1


I'm just sayin'. 12 people agreed, and it was the only 12 people that mattered.


Ah, so that means it is true! Good thing we've never heard of a jury being wrong before.

Apparently you have better evidence than they did, then?

Let's see. He went on trial for it several times. He gave children alcohol and called it Jesus Juice.

If you were a parent, would you send your child to MJ's estate for a "sleep over" if it's common knowledge that he's giving children alcohol and raping them? Of course you wouldn't. But parents did it anyway and he kept getting accused of child molestation.

Do the math. Just because a jury couldn't convict him doesn't mean he's not a piece of shit child-raping hell spawn.

He was one of the most influential faces in music, yes, but he threw all of that away with his psychopath antics in the past decade.

This is about as much as I care that he's dead: ---> . <---

I don't care about him at all, even his music (beyond maybe some of his early stuff with the Jackson 5). This isn't even about Jackson specifically. I just think it's ridiculous that people think they know more about what happened from reading fourth-hand reports than the people actually at the trial who were presented with all the actual evidence.

You don't get charges pressed against you time and time again (MANY of which were settled out of court by just paying off the victims with millions of $$$) without there being some sort of truth to it.

You'd think that, after the first charge, you wouldn't put yourself in a situation where you could be accused again. But noooooooo, his lust for littleboyparts was too powerful. He just kept having them over, kept molesting them, and kept paying off the parents. Two cases out of a half dozen go to court, even though he doesn't get convicted, and you're defending him.

:roll:
 

ProfJohn

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Jul 28, 2006
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The fact that he was weird does not make him a child molester or gay.

Read up on his life. His dad was an abusive prick and by 10 years old he was one of the most famous people in the country.

Imagine what that would do to the psyche. The reason he hung out with young kids and had sleepovers and the like is because he was never able to do that himself growing up. He is a text book example of 'regression' link

Read up on all the child stars who had problems as adults and think about it for a bit.
Also read up on other famous musicians and what fame did to them.

The number of rock stars who self destructed is amazingly long.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

I wonder what we could dig up on you if we put your entire life under the public microscope Jackson lived under for 50 years.

Stop being a douche, the guy is dead.

Yea, I mean really who doesnt have a little MJ like sickness inside them?


Who doesnt feed pre-teens "Jesus Juice" and sleep in beds with them?






.......

One could also say that people may have made up these stories so they could sue Jackson for money. And that "journalists" twisted his words around to make him appear creepy in order to get ratings. Is that so far fetched?

I think the guy was definitely a weirdo but do I know that he molested little boys? No...I do not. And it is a completely moot point now that he has died anyway. Does trashing him now make you feel better about your own life?
 

ProfJohn

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Jul 28, 2006
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Originally posted by: Danwar
what jury?

if im not mistaken , all of the cases he was involved in were $ettled out of court.

with enough dough or a good lawyer (hallo there OJ! ) you can get away with almost anything nowadays.
He settled one case and then later went to a criminal trial over another.

And if you read up on the first case you learn that he settled at the urging of those around him because it was taking a huge psychological toll on MJ. A lot of his drug problems seem to have started around that time.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: Deeko

OJ lost his civil suit.

beyond a reasonable doubt vs preponderanceof the evidence

I'm familiar with the difference. Fact remains - OJ lost in court, MJ has not.

I'm not aware that there was a civil suit, nor do I really care (not a jab)

Originally posted by: Nik
You'd think that, after the first charge, you wouldn't put yourself in a situation where you could be accused again. But noooooooo, his lust for littleboyparts was too powerful. He just kept having them over, kept molesting them, and kept paying off the parents. Two cases out of a half dozen go to court, even though he doesn't get convicted, and you're defending him.

:roll:

Agreed with the bolded. The "alternate"way of looking at your second point was that greedy ass bitch mom decided MJ was a ripe and easy target (because of the bolded part), coached his kid, and accused MJ in hopes of getting an easy payoff, at which point they went to trial and MJ was voted not guilty.

 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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You don't get charges pressed against you time and time again (MANY of which were settled out of court by just paying off the victims with millions of $$$) without there being some sort of truth to it.

wasn't it like twice?

of the thousands of kids who passed through Neverland, it seems weird to think that there wasn't a single parent who wasn't willing to sacrifice their kids for cash or a single security guard, cleaning lady, etc who wasn't willing to sacrifice their job to expose a pedophile.
 

rh71

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news outlets are just glad they don't have to dig for news like what's going on with Jon & Kate or what the latest twitters are saying about Iran.
 

ProfJohn

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Jul 28, 2006
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Originally posted by: Nik
Let's see. He went on trial for it several times. He gave children alcohol and called it Jesus Juice.

If you were a parent, would you send your child to MJ's estate for a "sleep over" if it's common knowledge that he's giving children alcohol and raping them? Of course you wouldn't. But parents did it anyway and he kept getting accused of child molestation.

Do the math. Just because a jury couldn't convict him doesn't mean he's not a piece of shit child-raping hell spawn.

He was one of the most influential faces in music, yes, but he threw all of that away with his psychopath antics in the past decade.

This is about as much as I care that he's dead: ---> . <---
If it was 'common knowledge' then how come there was only ONE person who made that charge?

How many dozens of kids slept over at the ranch and how many of them made this charge? Read up on the criminal court case. The family who accused him had all kinds of money issues and their allegations only surfaced when it looked like MJ was throwing them out of his house.
 

Barfo

Lifer
Jan 4, 2005
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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Ns1


I'm just sayin'. 12 people agreed, and it was the only 12 people that mattered.


Ah, so that means it is true! Good thing we've never heard of a jury being wrong before.

The unproven rumors doesn't make him a molester either.
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Imagine what that would do to the psyche. The reason he hung out with young kids and had sleepovers and the like is because he was never able to do that himself growing up. He is a text book example of 'regression' link

that's kinda how I've always seen him.

I do believe that he "slept" with children in his beds. I do not believe that it was sexual... I think MJ saw himself as a child inside his own head and couldn't comprehend why normal people think it's inappropriate to sleep in the same bed as a kid.
 

ProfJohn

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Jul 28, 2006
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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Imagine what that would do to the psyche. The reason he hung out with young kids and had sleepovers and the like is because he was never able to do that himself growing up. He is a text book example of 'regression' link

that's kinda how I've always seen him.

I do believe that he "slept" with children in his beds. I do not believe that it was sexual... I think MJ saw himself as a child inside his own head and couldn't comprehend why normal people think it's inappropriate to sleep in the same bed as a kid.
A court psychologist said that in his mind Michael WAS a 10 year old.

Look at how he lived his life outside of the kid thing. The animals, the amusement park etc etc. He was a big kid who never grew up.

Sad. :(
 

moparacer

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I knew this would be Anna Nicole X 10.....

My god, 3 months of Michael tributes and more then likely trials and court hearings over whats left of his estate, who was giving him prescription drugs, and the millions of ticket holders who wont get there money back for the failed tour.....
 

Linflas

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Jan 30, 2001
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I am guessing no TV this weekend for me. This has the potential to be as bad as the Diana and JFK Jr hysteria.
 

randay

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May 30, 2006
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yeah enough already.

btw OP....


THANKS FOR ANOTHER FUCKING MICHAEL THREAD. /palmface
 

sygyzy

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You guys are fool if you don't think MJ was the a cultural and musical icon. He was immensely talented and did more good than you.