Good Christian Girl died of overdose

[preslove]

when they hit 30? You realize that there is this period between ages 18-30, right? If you can't hit it during those years, it's hard to recover.... Especially when you have a criminal record from said drug use, fall victim to credit issues, etc...

As someone with a heroin addict sister, I can safely say that shit will ruin your life.

I'm saying, they aren't going to clubs. Most of those people in their 20s are clubbing on the weekends and have normal jobs during the week. By the time they hit 30 they are having kids and not going out at night, at all.

Heroin is not a part of "club culture." Heroin is "sit at home and do nothing" culture. Junkies spend all their money on heroin, not club entry fees.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Well, I'm saying that in college when she's 20-21 or whatever, she was still quite buttoned down Christian. Like, she went on mission trips, that sort of thing. It is a pretty big change.

How well did you actually know her? I knew several kids like that and they were some of the biggest goddamn hypocrites. They talked about going on those Christian youth rallies and missionary stuff so they could fuck and get wasted and get a vacation. Our SADD organization was full of "good Christian" kids that binge drink (and would drink and drive regularly).

Frankly that (the false front of "purity and innocence") is FAR more common in Christians (than people actually being pure and innocent) and is a far bigger issue than your bullshit blame of "club culture".

Eh, I'm more apt to blame the shit club culture which celebrates hedonism and stupidity.

Of course you are.

Yeah, as I said earlier, I don't quite share the disdain for Christian culture here. I mean, the fact is that not everyone can handle partying while retaining their moral core, and purity might work better for some personalities of people than others. I mean, she and her parents are very average people overall. Which is okay, it's okay to be average. They made a good life for themselves despite being average, because they clung to their Christian culture.

You don't just "don't quite share" you're openly espousing it as some great savior/protector of peoples' innocence and attributing it as the sole reason for people's good fortunes.

WTF? Moral core? GTFO with that silliness. I don't even like club culture, but you acting like its some cesspit of evil is so stupid, well I can't say I'm surprised at all.

But it also works for many many people. This is a glass half full half empty thing. It may in fact be true that this purity culture writ large is what keeps these people from descending into a scummy existence that the clubs invite.

Oh yes, because its clubs that are the cause of all the degeneracy in America! Those televangelists bilking people who can't afford to live out of money so they can fuck prostitutes and buy mansions and private jets, they're not a problem at all. Its those fucking club kids!

So I take it you cheered the Orlando shooting?

Meh, for me the most fun are the burnt out ex-lesbians who have abandoned their ideology.

Yeah, no doubt you have a lot of experience with those. Lesbian ideology...yeah that's all it is.

Talk about scum, I feel like I need a shower just reading your sleazy posts on here.

 

[zerocool84]

This is not that uncommon for repressed people to act like that, go crazy once they see the real world. I went to Catholic school growing up so I've seen it happen many times first hand.

 

[desura]

This is not that uncommon for repressed people to act like that, go crazy once they see the real world. I went to Catholic school growing up so I've seen it happen many times first hand.

I'm not sure she was so repressed. Like, she wasn't one of those introverted persons. She was fairly outgoing and positive.

And you only notice the outliers but you don't notice the people for whom the system works.

 

[shortylickens]

I'm not sure she was so repressed. Like, she wasn't one of those introverted persons. She was fairly outgoing and positive.

And you only notice the outliers but you don't notice the people for whom the system works.

Introverted and Repressed are NOT the same thing.

 

[nakedfrog]

We had some jagoffs (3 to a room) get popped w/heroin in their dorm room microwave at my tech school (AF, circa 2007), so not as uncommon as one might think.

Some people just turn into fucking retards and take every chance to screw over their life as much as possible.

Wow, and I thought the guys sneaking reefer at my tech school were pushing it (a decade earlier).

 

[Sonikku]

you can OD on coke, or painkillers, or water,

I heard of a woman dying from drinking too much water for a contest to win a Nintendo Wii for her children.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Recently in my area. I'm pretty shocked. I fell out of touch with her over the last several years, but when I knew her she was a good Christian girl who was in all of the Christian student groups, was pro-life, etc.

Got into the club scene at some point and it went downhill from there.

I'm wondering what drug she OD'd on. She went to rehab before...that automatically makes it heroin? Could it have been cocaine? Or something else?

sorry, I'm a bit fuzzy here, what in the fvck does her religious beliefs have to do with her addiction issues?

 

[darkswordsman17]

I had a good buddy in college like this. Kind of a weird dude anyway but he was super conservative Christian. We had a ton of debates about morality and where it comes from where his view was that if he didn't believe in god, he'd do whatever he wanted because nothing was stopping him. Well, turns out by a couple years later he didn't believe in god anymore for whatever reason and pretty much right away became a full blown alcoholic, did drugs etc (just weed and occasional psychedelics ... nothing serious like heroin). He eventually had a kind of breakdown after getting fired from his first job and moved back home for a while and now doesn't touch any alcohol.

Basing morality and a responsible path in life on a religion is pretty fragile in today's society, i.e. a society of information where one can easily conclude that religions are all made up feel good storybooks originally used for control of the plebes. Then once that conclusion is made by a one time Christian they have nothing real to base morality or responsibility on that the rest of us do, so get sucked into depravity.

Its not just today. Religion has always had serious issues with that.

I wouldn't call it "feel good storybooks", and in fact I think its the explicit forceful manner in which religion pushes the condemnation/damnation aspect that is the real problem. Instead of teaching they try to intimidate and use fear for force adherence.

When you tell people for basically all of their developing life that this religious path is the only true good and righteous path, and then they find out how bullshit it is, they then lose their ability to discern good and bad decisions.

And our politicians pushing their religious beliefs as political agenda further muddies things, as they use similar methods for teaching about sex, drugs, and many other things. Once you can see through their bullshit, if you don't have a decent knowledge of things, you can easily get duped into viewing things as non-harmless.

I'm saying, they aren't going to clubs. Most of those people in their 20s are clubbing on the weekends and have normal jobs during the week. By the time they hit 30 they are having kids and not going out at night, at all.

Heroin is not a part of "club culture." Heroin is "sit at home and do nothing" culture. Junkies spend all their money on heroin, not club entry fees.

Yeah heroin junkies are not generally club kids. That's not to say that club kids don't end up as heroin junkies, but the vast majority don't. Hell, I'd even say most heroin junkies get turned onto it from things that are definitely not club scene, especially these days where a lot of it is coming from prescription painkiller problems.

Much like how most binge drinking dipshit college kids end up being semi-productive members of society as they mature, club kids is generally just a phase.

And again, since I know it will have to be explicitly said for some people, sure there is some overlap, and the harder drugs do show up in the club scene (cocaine would be the major one, but I think even it is way down in use in the club scene compared to say the 70s and 80s, it seems more like an "afterparty" type of drug). The club scene (in general) drugs are generally just temporary "experiment" that people grow out of in their late 20s early 30s. That isn't to say there isn't any danger in the club scene drugs (there is). Same with weed, its generally fine for most people (as in won't typically cause long lasting harm), but there's definitely some hazards.

Opiates and meth that are ravaging entire communities is a far bigger problem than club scene shit.

 

[shortylickens]

I heard of a woman dying from drinking too much water for a contest to win a Nintendo Wii for her children.

Jennifer Strange. It really happened.

Most people who die in such a manner are usually taking some weird fraternity initiation.

 

[Anubis]

I heard of a woman dying from drinking too much water for a contest to win a Nintendo Wii for her children.

happens to athletes and the elderly most often

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication


causes a salt imbalance and well you can die and its painful

 

[GagHalfrunt]

I'm wondering what drug she OD'd on. She went to rehab before...that automatically makes it heroin? Could it have been cocaine? Or something else?

It could have been literally anything. When you're addicted to one thing and can't get it you turn to whatever is available. She could have been addicted to coke, couldn't afford it and tried heroin. Could have been addicted to heroin, couldn't get it and turned to meth. Could have been addicted to meth and couldn't get it and turned to bath salts.

 

[sdifox]

The Bible didn't say dont do drugs.

 

[Paladin3]

I know several Christian families with high school aged children who are raising them with their head in the sand. Their kids are sheltered from anything they feel might challenge their sensitive beliefs. God is literally the answer to every problem they have and their children have almost no life skills because of it. Most of them are nice kids but I fear for their ability to deal with life's challenges as they venture out on their own.

Something like that could have happened to your friend. It's a tragedy either way, and I wish her family had stepped in to help her more.

 

[Annisman*]

Christians make mistakes just like anyone else, I'm sorry to hear about this

 

[desura]

I know several Christian families with high school aged children who are raising them with their head in the sand. Their kids are sheltered from anything they feel might challenge their sensitive beliefs. God is literally the answer to every problem they have and their children have almost no life skills because of it. Most of them are nice kids but I fear for their ability to deal with life's challenges as they venture out on their own.

Something like that could have happened to your friend. It's a tragedy either way, and I wish her family had stepped in to help her more.

Yeah, I think this is really condescending.

Isn't addiction really about loneliness and lack of love? As long as the families can provide attention and love and instill a sense of responsibility they will do fine.

 

[waffleironhead]

It sure is sad she died. Maybe if she had strong female role models when she was growing up she may have done better. The lead characters in the new Star Wars movie, for instance.

 

[desura]

How well did you actually know her? I knew several kids like that and they were some of the biggest goddamn hypocrites. They talked about going on those Christian youth rallies and missionary stuff so they could fuck and get wasted and get a vacation. Our SADD organization was full of "good Christian" kids that binge drink (and would drink and drive regularly).

Frankly that (the false front of "purity and innocence") is FAR more common in Christians (than people actually being pure and innocent) and is a far bigger issue than your bullshit blame of "club culture".



Of course you are.



You don't just "don't quite share" you're openly espousing it as some great savior/protector of peoples' innocence and attributing it as the sole reason for people's good fortunes.

WTF? Moral core? GTFO with that silliness. I don't even like club culture, but you acting like its some cesspit of evil is so stupid, well I can't say I'm surprised at all.



Oh yes, because its clubs that are the cause of all the degeneracy in America! Those televangelists bilking people who can't afford to live out of money so they can fuck prostitutes and buy mansions and private jets, they're not a problem at all. Its those fucking club kids!

So I take it you cheered the Orlando shooting?



Yeah, no doubt you have a lot of experience with those. Lesbian ideology...yeah that's all it is.

Talk about scum, I feel like I need a shower just reading your sleazy posts on here.

Yeah, you sound like a guy who thinks South Park is actually edgy and witty and well done and can't stop talking about it. It's like you put on the act of being jaded without having experienced enough to actually be jaded.

But I'll just address one point: yeah, televangelists screw up. That is a human failing. I don't bother subscribing to them. But the actual doctrine they preach is not about giving in to your worst impulses regarding sex and drugs. And there is a widespread desire in society for the message of stability that televangelists bring, hence their success, which often leads to their corruption as well.

Club culture OTOH has lyrics all about abandoning all responsibilities, casual sex without consequences, degradation of women, drugs, etc. I've listened to those songs before, seen young kids singing along to them, and it is pretty disgusting.

 

[desura]

It sure is sad she died. Maybe if she had strong female role models when she was growing up she may have done better. The lead characters in the new Star Wars movie, for instance.

Haha.

Actually if I could rule the world I'd shut down the clubs and send them to work camps picking strawberries.

 

[sandorski]

Yeah, you sound like a guy who thinks South Park is actually edgy and witty and well done and can't stop talking about it. It's like you put on the act of being jaded without having experienced enough to actually be jaded.

But I'll just address one point: yeah, televangelists screw up. That is a human failing. I don't bother subscribing to them. But the actual doctrine they preach is not about giving in to your worst impulses regarding sex and drugs. And there is a widespread desire in society for the message of stability that televangelists bring, hence their success, which often leads to their corruption as well.

Club culture OTOH has lyrics all about abandoning all responsibilities, casual sex without consequences, degradation of women, drugs, etc. I've listened to those songs before, seen young kids singing along to them, and it is pretty disgusting.

All those Televsngelists are just as Self-Righteous and Condescending as you. Congrats.

 

[VirtualLarry]

sorry, I'm a bit fuzzy here, what in the fvck does her religious beliefs have to do with her addiction issues?

Hell, I'd even say most heroin junkies get turned onto it from things that are definitely not club scene, especially these days where a lot of it is coming from prescription painkiller problems.

Christians make mistakes just like anyone else, I'm sorry to hear about this

Could have been a "good" student, a "good" girl, prescribed painkillers for a sports injury, got hooked, and when the painkillers ran out, went looking for street equivalents.

Happens (sadly) more often than most people realize. Regardless of your religious beliefs. (I would say most "contemporary" Christians, wouldn't really think twice about taking prescription painkillers.

 

[KeithTalent]

I expect this happens more often than you think.

KT

 

[pete6032]

Right wing purity christian culture makes life out to be black or white, so when you get a taste of fun, you go wild with no restraint. If you are already going to hell, might as well go all out.

Do you have anything other than anecdotal experience to back that up?

 

[John Connor]

I knew a lot of "good" Mormon girls when I lived in Clearfield for a year. I think sometimes when you pressure your kids with religious bullshit they have a tendency to rebel. So you play it safe and let them kinda learn their own lessons and act as a good mediary. What I mean by that is you keep them on a lease, but let some slack out.

 

[thejunglegod]

What does her being Christian have to do anything with her OD'ing? Could just be someone with less information who accidentally took too much. Can happen to anybody, I think.