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Good Christian Girl died of overdose

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desura

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Recently in my area. I'm pretty shocked. I fell out of touch with her over the last several years, but when I knew her she was a good Christian girl who was in all of the Christian student groups, was pro-life, etc.

Got into the club scene at some point and it went downhill from there.

I'm wondering what drug she OD'd on. She went to rehab before...that automatically makes it heroin? Could it have been cocaine? Or something else?
 
Most likely opiates, if I had to wager a guess I'd say it was heroin. Most pill poppers know their limits although some do get stupid and die. Heroin is easy to OD on because the potency can vary greatly from one batch to another so you are used to doing X amount at one time and you get a new batch and that same amount is twice as strong. Dealers are also cutting it with fentanyl, which is 50-100 times stronger than morphine, to make it stronger. To make matters even worse when someone does OD off a dealers batch of heroin it immediately makes it MUCH more popular because everyone knows it's the "good stuff", so oddly enough one of your customers dying is actually good for business.

To make matters even worse is there is a drug that instantly stops a heroin overdose and saves the persons life called Narcan. If we decriminalized it and had people taking controlled doses in facilities with this drug on hand, or hell just handed the autoinjectors of the drug out to anyone who wants it, no questions asked, we could prevent a ton of these deaths. Of course the latter would probably require someone be with the person at the time but at least they would stand a chance.

And once again Big Pharma swoops in to give us a good old fucking: Its wholesale price in the developing world is between US$0.50 and 5.30 per dose.[8] The vials of medication are not very expensive (less than 25 USD) in the United States.[9] The price for a package of two auto-injectors, however, has increased from $690 in 2014 to $4,500 in 2016.
 
nakedfrog said:
Yeah, could be many things.
And you shouldn't be shocked, not uncommon for kids like that to go buck wild once they're adults.
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Well, I'm saying that in college when she's 20-21 or whatever, she was still quite buttoned down Christian. Like, she went on mission trips, that sort of thing. It is a pretty big change.
 
desura said:
Well, I'm saying that in college when she's 20-21 or whatever, she was still quite buttoned down Christian. Like, she went on mission trips, that sort of thing. It is a pretty big change.
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Well not every straight and narrow kid has to start partying hard right at 18. It may take some years for them to give into temptation.
 
desura said:
Recently in my area. I'm pretty shocked. I fell out of touch with her over the last several years, but when I knew her she was a good Christian girl who was in all of the Christian student groups, was pro-life, etc.

Got into the club scene at some point and it went downhill from there.

I'm wondering what drug she OD'd on. She went to rehab before...that automatically makes it heroin? Could it have been cocaine? Or something else?
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That can be a problem when you encompass yourself with religion and all its trappings and then move to the real world. Sounds like she was hooked on God and suffered withdrawals when she realized what a farce it was.
 
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Thebobo said:
That can be a problem with encompass yourself with religion and all its trappings and then and move to the real world. Sounds like she was hooked on God and suffered withdrawals when she realized what a farce it was.
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Eh, I'm more apt to blame the shit club culture which celebrates hedonism and stupidity.
 
desura said:
Well, I'm saying that in college when she's 20-21 or whatever, she was still quite buttoned down Christian. Like, she went on mission trips, that sort of thing. It is a pretty big change.
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Oh yeah, those are the most volatile. It's much better to get your partying (or at least "not being completely repressed") out during highschool or college. If you overdo it you have a support network to fall back on.

Right wing purity christian culture makes life out to be black or white, so when you get a taste of fun, you go wild with no restraint. If you are already going to hell, might as well go all out.
 
desura said:
Eh, I'm more apt to blame the shit club culture which celebrates hedonism and stupidity.
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99% of people in that scene are going to grow up and have normal, regular lives when they hit 30. Salt lake city has one of the most dangerous underground club scenes in America for a reason. If you demonize fun (hedonism, lol), fun becomes really dangerous.
 
preslove said:
Oh yeah, those are the most volatile. It's much better to get your partying (or at least "not being completely repressed") out during highschool or college. If you overdo it you have a support network to fall back on.

Right wing purity christian culture makes life out to be black or white, so when you get a taste of fun, you go wild with no restraint. If you are already going to hell, might as well go all out.
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Yeah, as I said earlier, I don't quite share the disdain for Christian culture here. I mean, the fact is that not everyone can handle partying while retaining their moral core, and purity might work better for some personalities of people than others. I mean, she and her parents are very average people overall. Which is okay, it's okay to be average. They made a good life for themselves despite being average, because they clung to their Christian culture.
 
desura said:
Eh, I'm more apt to blame the shit club culture which celebrates hedonism and stupidity.
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That's a choice to make. Since she allowed others to make decisions for her and did what 'she is supposed to do'. She had no real life experience to make it.
 
turtile said:
That's a choice to make. Since she allowed others to make decisions for her and did what 'she is supposed to do'. She had no real life experience to make it.
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Oh, it was her choice, no doubt. But...meh, her path was influenced by the outside culture which was a slippery slope of degradation.

edit: and yeah, taboos exist for a reason. That is to make up for lack of life experience. Others experienced it before, came back to tell the tale about why it is to be avoided, hence, taboo.
 
desura said:
Well, I'm saying that in college when she's 20-21 or whatever, she was still quite buttoned down Christian. Like, she went on mission trips, that sort of thing. It is a pretty big change.
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Sorry about your friend. The Christian community has their issues with drug addiction just like the rest of society. Rehab is only detoxing long enough to start what may be a life-long struggle to remain clean. A battle almost impossible to win without the tough love of a family willing to do what's necessary to help you keep clean.
 
desura said:
Yeah, as I said earlier, I don't quite share the disdain for Christian culture here. I mean, the fact is that not everyone can handle partying while retaining their moral core, and purity might work better for some personalities of people than others. I mean, she and her parents are very average people overall. Which is okay, it's okay to be average. They made a good life for themselves despite being average, because they clung to their Christian culture.
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I don't have a problem "christian culture," which is a far bigger thing than you obviously assume. The problem is the extremist, anti-modern evangelical culture.

The problem is that purity doesn't work for many, many, many people. So, when kids are raised with purity (brainwashing) as the only goal in life, they tend to suffer much worse consequences than kids raised with a more mature, moderate outlook on life.
 
preslove said:
I don't have a problem "christian culture," which is a far bigger thing than you obviously assume. The problem is the extremist, anti-modern evangelical culture.

The problem is that purity doesn't work for many, many, many people. So, when kids are raised with purity (brainwashing) as the only goal in life, they tend to suffer much worse consequences than kids raised with a more mature, moderate outlook on life.
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But it also works for many many people. This is a glass half full half empty thing. It may in fact be true that this purity culture writ large is what keeps these people from descending into a scummy existence that the clubs invite.
 
My background was not religious but during high school I didn't party at all. I drank maybe one beer and never smoked cigs or weed. Not a puff. I was a good kid.

I didn't make it through my first year of college due to personal issues. I did try drinking there, but didn't do it much, and tried weed shortly before I dropped out. Went back home and caught up with a friend who didn't go to college. But he did smoke weed. Through him I met some other dudes that did party. They were mostly all quite smart and bright actually, but not pursuing schooling of any type. So we hung out a lot and became good friends and that's when I started turning loose. Well we smoked a ton of weed, drank a bit and started doing psychedelics like acid. Then we discovered the rave scene. Taking ecstasy was something else. We partied hard - Weed, Ecstasy, LSD, Special K and sometimes PCP and Shrooms. Of course drinking also. Tried heroin like 3 times (snorting it) and wasn't a fan. We never did coke much either. Just those four things mainly. But I cost myself like 7 years of my life - partying like it was my job. And hurting my folks. I'll always wonder what would have happened if I just took a year off, did few drugs, and then went back to school. I always had potential and smarts and a high IQ. But drugs. Time lost now.

Nobody that was part of the core crew died though. A couple acquaintances did die. It was always heroin. One guy who was a bit more than an acquaintance also passed. Heroin. The ironic thing about his death is that he was sent to military school because he was partying too much. He picked up heroin from the fucking military school. He didn't pick it up from hanging out with us. He came back home to visit, brought some dope with him, hung out at my friends house and died choking on his vomit. Sad
 
PixelSquish said:
The ironic thing about his death is that he was sent to military school because he was partying too much. He picked up heroin from the fucking military school.
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We had some jagoffs (3 to a room) get popped w/heroin in their dorm room microwave at my tech school (AF, circa 2007), so not as uncommon as one might think.

Some people just turn into fucking retards and take every chance to screw over their life as much as possible.
 
desura said:
Recently in my area. I'm pretty shocked. I fell out of touch with her over the last several years, but when I knew her she was a good Christian girl who was in all of the Christian student groups, was pro-life, etc.

Got into the club scene at some point and it went downhill from there.

I'm wondering what drug she OD'd on. She went to rehab before...that automatically makes it heroin? Could it have been cocaine? Or something else?
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I don't know about you, but when I grew up, all of those good christian girls were crazy fun.
 
desura said:
Eh, I'm more apt to blame the shit club culture which celebrates hedonism and stupidity.
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If you ask me, that's closer to humanity than the shit club culture that forces you to restrict your life down to sole devotion to some ancient sky hallucination.
 
I had a good buddy in college like this. Kind of a weird dude anyway but he was super conservative Christian. We had a ton of debates about morality and where it comes from where his view was that if he didn't believe in god, he'd do whatever he wanted because nothing was stopping him. Well, turns out by a couple years later he didn't believe in god anymore for whatever reason and pretty much right away became a full blown alcoholic, did drugs etc (just weed and occasional psychedelics ... nothing serious like heroin). He eventually had a kind of breakdown after getting fired from his first job and moved back home for a while and now doesn't touch any alcohol.

Basing morality and a responsible path in life on a religion is pretty fragile in today's society, i.e. a society of information where one can easily conclude that religions are all made up feel good storybooks originally used for control of the plebes. Then once that conclusion is made by a one time Christian they have nothing real to base morality or responsibility on that the rest of us do, so get sucked into depravity.
 
preslove said:
99% of people in that scene are going to grow up and have normal, regular lives when they hit 30. Salt lake city has one of the most dangerous underground club scenes in America for a reason. If you demonize fun (hedonism, lol), fun becomes really dangerous.
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when they hit 30? You realize that there is this period between ages 18-30, right? If you can't hit it during those years, it's hard to recover.... Especially when you have a criminal record from said drug use, fall victim to credit issues, etc...

As someone with a heroin addict sister, I can safely say that shit will ruin your life.
 
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