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Originally posted by: edfcmc
Boo on hostpc for divulging the OP's PRIVATE billing information on a public forum!
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Wrong, no private information was divulged.

Hey I just got suspended from my hostpc account because to break it down, they suck
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plastick made a vague insinuation against HostPC, when it turns out the only problem is that he's a deadbeat who forgot to copy off his files before he knowingly let the account expire.
 
Originally posted by: plastick
Hey I just got suspended from my hostpc account because to break it down, they suck :thumbsdown:.. anyway im lookin for a new and cheap web host (around $30/year).

someone give me some suggestions please :beer:
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Update your payment info!

 
I wasn't trying to "own" anyone - and there's no malice meant towards the OP - but I do have the right to defend myself against false or misleading statements.

I am still debating the request for files however.
 
You dont see disclosing information about not paying a bill, private?

I see this as the equivalent of disclosing his credit history for all to see, but in this case his webhosting payment history with WebhostpC.....

Lets see OP's information as contained in this thread can be viewed in the profile. So we know OP's first and last name and where he lives.

Couple with that information McDealer's post and now we know his payment history (lack thereof) with his hosting service and the horrible responses to basic customer service billing inquiries.

It seems quite the non-trivial disclosure to me.


Although, I do agree that the OP claims are pretty friviolous as HOSTPC is a great webhosting service given the information that HOSTPC posted.

However, what kind of response is necessary by someone stating that the hosting service sucks.


CWH states: "Thing is, people come to forums and cry foul about their hosts, but when the host deems it appropriate to defend themselves from unfair accusations, some people seem to get the idea that they have no right to do so."

I do agree that HOSTPC has everyright to defend themselves, it could have done so without airing OP's dirty laundry. There could have been a number of ways to respond, such as we have 100% uptime, 30 day money back guarrantee etc..





 
Joe (McDealer) is well within his rights to tell his side of the story since Dave (plastick) took it upon himself to create this thread.

It's the customers responsibility to:
  • Keep your billing information up to date and current.
  • Pay your bills on time for services rendered.
 
McDealer, I back you up on defending yourself. He brought the stupidity upon himself. I personally would not give him his files back for the way he has acted and attempted to harm your reputation.
 
Originally posted by: McDealer
I wasn't trying to "own" anyone - and there's no malice meant towards the OP - but I do have the right to defend myself against false or misleading statements.

I am still debating the request for files however.
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skullfvck him.
 
Originally posted by: amdskip
McDealer, I back you up on defending yourself. He brought the stupidity upon himself. I personally would not give him his files back for the way he has acted and attempted to harm your reputation.
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Thank you!

I have chatted and spoken with plastick before and he isn't really ... that's all I'm going to say without being a mean asshole 🙂
 
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Joe (McDealer) is well within his rights to tell his side of the story since Dave (plastick) took it upon himself to create this thread.

It's the customers responsibility to:
  • Keep your billing information up to date and current.
  • Pay your bills on time for services rendered.
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So do you believe that if you:

A) created a thread on ATOT saying that a particular business sucks;

that gives the right for that business to post your payment and billing information on the ATOT?


edited "internet to ATOT"

 
Originally posted by: edfcmc
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Joe (McDealer) is well within his rights to tell his side of the story since Dave (plastick) took it upon himself to create this thread.

It's the customers responsibility to:
  • Keep your billing information up to date and current.
  • Pay your bills on time for services rendered.
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So do you believe that if you:

A) created a thread on ATOT saying that a particular business sucks;

that gives the right for that business to post your payment and billing information on the internet?
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he didn't post his payment and billing information. He stated the OP used Paypal and he didn't respond to their request for updated information.

And if the OP used real information in his profile, thats his mistake.
 
Originally posted by: McDealer
Ya know, I really dont usually take issue with comments like this - with nothing to back them up - but this one is just plain wrong and I feel the need to defend it.

This customers account was due for renewal on 2005-08-17
...

So HostPC sucks cause you didn't want to update your billing information and pay for services? Thats just not right. Best of luck with your new host.
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I "take issue" with your posting debt information publicly...
Fair Debt Collection Practices Act
§ 806. Harassment or abuse [15 USC 1692d]

3) The publication of a list of consumers who allegedly refuse to pay debts, except to a consumer reporting agency or to persons meeting the requirements of section 603(f) or 604(3)1 of this Act.
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§ 813. Civil liability [15 USC 1692k]

(a) Except as otherwise provided by this section, any debt collector who fails to comply with any provision of this title with respect to any person is liable to such person in an amount equal to the sum of --

(1) any actual damage sustained by such person as a result of such failure;

(2) (A) in the case of any action by an individual, such additional damages as the court may allow, but not exceeding $1,000; or
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Hopefully, you'll be hearing from the OP about the $1000 he'll be seeking in court.
 
Not reading the thread?



Originally posted by: McDealer
Ya know, I really dont usually take issue with comments like this - with nothing to back them up - but this one is just plain wrong and I feel the need to defend it.

This customers account was due for renewal on 2005-08-17 Who is this referring too?

We sent payment notices as follows:
Payment Due Notice sent 2005-08-02
Payment Due Notice sent 2005-08-10
Payment Due Notice sent 2005-08-15
Late Notice sent 2005-08-17
Account Suspended 2005-08-19

[B]Isnt this payment history? and doesnt this demonstrate non-payment?
[/b]to the registered email address on file - which he received, and responded with:

Hey I keep getting emails from you guys like this and other
weird annoying ones from my godaddy account.. im frankly
tired of messing with this stuff, so im just not going to
do anything, and if my account stops working, then oh
well.

but im not updating my billing info again. I have dial
up!!
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So HostPC sucks cause you didn't want to update your billing information and pay for services? Thats just not right. Best of luck with your new host.
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Originally posted by: McDealer
I wasn't trying to "own" anyone - and there's no malice meant towards the OP - but I do have the right to defend myself against false or misleading statements.

I am still debating the request for files however.
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If a SINGLE person here knows who the OP is (including a moderator), you have broken the law and can be brought to court over it... Hope it was worth it.
 
Originally posted by: edfcmc
Not reading the thread?



Originally posted by: McDealer
Ya know, I really dont usually take issue with comments like this - with nothing to back them up - but this one is just plain wrong and I feel the need to defend it.

This customers account was due for renewal on 2005-08-17 Who is this referring too?

We sent payment notices as follows:
Payment Due Notice sent 2005-08-02
Payment Due Notice sent 2005-08-10
Payment Due Notice sent 2005-08-15
Late Notice sent 2005-08-17
Account Suspended 2005-08-19

[B]Isnt this payment history? and doesnt this demonstrate non-payment?
[/b]to the registered email address on file - which he received, and responded with:

Hey I keep getting emails from you guys like this and other
weird annoying ones from my godaddy account.. im frankly
tired of messing with this stuff, so im just not going to
do anything, and if my account stops working, then oh
well.

but im not updating my billing info again. I have dial
up!!
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So HostPC sucks cause you didn't want to update your billing information and pay for services? Thats just not right. Best of luck with your new host.
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still not billing info.

And if what HostPC did was wrong, there are about a thousand grocery stores gonna get sued for posting bounced checks at the front of the store...
 
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Joe (McDealer) is well within his rights to tell his side of the story since Dave (plastick) took it upon himself to create this thread.

It's the customers responsibility to:
  • Keep your billing information up to date and current.
  • Pay your bills on time for services rendered.
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Sorry for once I have to disagree with you. You cannot legally publish that info. Same reason they can't call your neighbors or send postcards or...
 
Originally posted by: labgeek
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Joe (McDealer) is well within his rights to tell his side of the story since Dave (plastick) took it upon himself to create this thread.

It's the customers responsibility to:
  • Keep your billing information up to date and current.
  • Pay your bills on time for services rendered.
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Sorry for once I have to disagree with you. You cannot legally publish that info. Same reason they can't call your neighbors or send postcards or...
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by that logic then a creditor cannot file publicly available court documents alleging non-payment...there is a difference between harrasment and making a statement.
 
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

And if what HostPC did was wrong, there are about a thousand grocery stores gonna get sued for posting bounced checks at the front of the store...
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Posting a bounced check is not the same as not paying a bill. Bounced checks are a criminal matter. The US does not have debtor's prison. If they post a "joe blow owes us $xx and won't pay" it would be another matter.
 



[/quote]by that logic then a creditor cannot file publicly available court documents alleging non-payment...there is a difference between harrasment and making a statement.[/quote]

Logic?

Who said anything about being logical? Labgeek was citing to federal law which everyone knows isnt logical (federal law that is), but there are serious consequences for non-compliance.

 
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: labgeek
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Joe (McDealer) is well within his rights to tell his side of the story since Dave (plastick) took it upon himself to create this thread.

It's the customers responsibility to:
  • Keep your billing information up to date and current.
  • Pay your bills on time for services rendered.
Click to expand...

Sorry for once I have to disagree with you. You cannot legally publish that info. Same reason they can't call your neighbors or send postcards or...
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by that logic then a creditor cannot file publicly available court documents alleging non-payment...there is a difference between harrasment and making a statement.
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Court proceeding are public domain. The courts themselves make them available unless they are sealed. And "publishing" is specifically defined as harassment. You arguing a point that was specifally addressed in the law itself. We have a presumption of innocence here. The OP has not been tried - except here in the court of public opinion. This is the very thing the law was written to prevent.
 
Originally posted by: edfcmc
You dont see disclosing information about not paying a bill, private?

I see this as the equivalent of disclosing his credit history for all to see, but in this case his webhosting payment history with WebhostpC.....

Lets see OP's information as contained in this thread can be viewed in the profile. So we know OP's first and last name and where he lives.

Couple with that information McDealer's post and now we know his payment history (lack thereof) with his hosting service and the horrible responses to basic customer service billing inquiries.

It seems quite the non-trivial disclosure to me.


Although, I do agree that the OP claims are pretty friviolous as HOSTPC is a great webhosting service given the information that HOSTPC posted.

However, what kind of response is necessary by someone stating that the hosting service sucks.


CWH states: "Thing is, people come to forums and cry foul about their hosts, but when the host deems it appropriate to defend themselves from unfair accusations, some people seem to get the idea that they have no right to do so."

I do agree that HOSTPC has everyright to defend themselves, it could have done so without airing OP's dirty laundry. There could have been a number of ways to respond, such as we have 100% uptime, 30 day money back guarrantee etc..
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Sorry that I must disagree with you. The OP is looking for another host, and it's only reasonable that a new host be aware of why. Why are you not attacking the OP for lying?
 
Originally posted by: labgeek
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: labgeek
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Joe (McDealer) is well within his rights to tell his side of the story since Dave (plastick) took it upon himself to create this thread.

It's the customers responsibility to:
  • Keep your billing information up to date and current.
  • Pay your bills on time for services rendered.
Click to expand...

Sorry for once I have to disagree with you. You cannot legally publish that info. Same reason they can't call your neighbors or send postcards or...
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by that logic then a creditor cannot file publicly available court documents alleging non-payment...there is a difference between harrasment and making a statement.
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Court proceeding are public domain. The courts themselves make them available unless they are sealed. And "publishing" is specifically defined as harassment. You arguing a point that was specifally addressed in the law itself. We have a presumption of innocence here. The OP has not been tried - except here in the court of public opinion. This is the very thing the law was written to prevent.
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Could be true, but I find it amusing that you appear to run or be affiliated with Tangi.net, who is a competitor to HostPC. Hope you don't have a dog in this fight to sling mud at a competitior since you are being so aggressive...
 
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