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[CWH]

I personally think this whole thing is getting out of hand. Joe did nothing wrong but defend his company rep from a childish poster and ex-client who's only goal was to tarnish the rep of HostPC. If Joe can be held accountable for posting non-descript information that in no way identifies the the OP, then the OP can be used for liable for making false statements that could harm HOSTPC.

I think that everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over nothing. Go over to Web Host Trashing..ahhh..I mean Web Host Talk and you'll see a lot worse then this.

 

[labgeek]

Originally posted by: CWH

Originally posted by: edfcmc
You dont see disclosing information about not paying a bill, private?

...
I do agree that HOSTPC has everyright to defend themselves, it could have done so without airing OP's dirty laundry. There could have been a number of ways to respond, such as we have 100% uptime, 30 day money back guarrantee etc..

Sorry that I must disagree with you. The OP is looking for another host, and it's only reasonable that a new host be aware of why. Why are you not attacking the OP for lying?

"they suck" is an opinion. You may not agree with it. That does not mean he's "lying". Even from the HostPC side of the story it sounds like they attempted to update the info, thus the word "again" in the quoted message.

Right now you have 2 sides - 1 the OP that wants a new host because "they suck" no other reasons were given. And you have HostPC which disclosed customer's account information - that may well be illegal - if even 1 person here knows the OP.

 

[edfcmc]

Originally posted by: CWH

Originally posted by: edfcmc
You dont see disclosing information about not paying a bill, private?

I see this as the equivalent of disclosing his credit history for all to see, but in this case his webhosting payment history with WebhostpC.....

Lets see OP's information as contained in this thread can be viewed in the profile. So we know OP's first and last name and where he lives.

Couple with that information McDealer's post and now we know his payment history (lack thereof) with his hosting service and the horrible responses to basic customer service billing inquiries.

It seems quite the non-trivial disclosure to me.


Although, I do agree that the OP claims are pretty friviolous as HOSTPC is a great webhosting service given the information that HOSTPC posted.

However, what kind of response is necessary by someone stating that the hosting service sucks.


CWH states: "Thing is, people come to forums and cry foul about their hosts, but when the host deems it appropriate to defend themselves from unfair accusations, some people seem to get the idea that they have no right to do so."

I do agree that HOSTPC has everyright to defend themselves, it could have done so without airing OP's dirty laundry. There could have been a number of ways to respond, such as we have 100% uptime, 30 day money back guarrantee etc..

Sorry that I must disagree with you. The OP is looking for another host, and it's only reasonable that a new host be aware of why. Why are you not attacking the OP for lying?

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: CWH
I personally think this whole thing is getting out of hand. Joe did nothing wrong but defend his company rep from a childish poster and ex-client who's only goal was to tarnish the rep of HostPC. If Joe can be held accountable for posting non-descript information that in no way identifies the the OP, then the OP can be used for liable for making false statements that could harm HOSTPC.

I think that everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over nothing. Go over to Web Host Trashing..ahhh..I mean Web Host Talk and you'll see a lot worse then this.

I would agree....if there is any libel here, it's mutual.

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: edfcmc

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Joe (McDealer) is well within his rights to tell his side of the story since Dave (plastick) took it upon himself to create this thread.

It's the customers responsibility to:

• Keep your billing information up to date and current.
• Pay your bills on time for services rendered.

So do you believe that if you:

A) created a thread on ATOT saying that a particular business sucks;

that gives the right for that business to post your payment and billing information on the ATOT?


edited "internet to ATOT"

As both a customer and web host I see the issue from both sides. I wouldn't have done what Joe did without first contacting the customer and resolting the matter directly. Joe did not post any personal details.

Joe has every right to defend his good name although he wasn't blatantly accused of any wrong doing.

 

[McDealer]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Could be true, but I find it amusing that you appear to run or be affiliated with Tangi.net, who is a competitor to HostPC. Hope you don't have a dog in this fight to sling mud at a competitior since you are being so aggressive...

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[RossMAN]

If your panties are in a bind after Joe "revealed personal information" that is nothing compared to UltraUnix.net which takes the grand prize as the worst web host ever (next to CyberWings and AngelNetworkz).

 

[labgeek]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Could be true, but I find it amusing that you appear to run or be affiliated with Tangi.net, who is a competitor to HostPC. Hope you don't have a dog in this fight to sling mud at a competitior since you are being so aggressive...

tangi.net does not offer hosting. Considering the low profit involved I sold off that portion many moons ago (YEARS). I don't advertise the domain names offerings either - though the website goes there... I use the names myself - I develop sites from time to time. I don't even think you can order a name at the moment.

But thanks for questioning my character... But yes I am agressive in debt collectors abusing their powers. I think it sucks and they're all to willing to do it.

If you go look, I've also helped another right here on ATOT with a debt collector link to other thread.

 

[imported_Grimmy]

Originally posted by: labgeek
§ 806. Harassment or abuse [15 USC 1692d]

3) The publication of a list of consumers who allegedly refuse to pay debts, except to a consumer reporting agency or to persons meeting the requirements of section 603(f) or 604(3)1 of this Act.

I see no "list of consumers", no names, no addresses, no phone numbers, who "refuse to pay debts" in what McDealer posted. I see an invoicing history of a customer not willing to pay to (begin? or renew?) his service.

The fine line would be drawn had he posted names. The op doesn't apparently owe a debt, he failed to pay in-advance billing for service and Hostpc called him on it when he decided to come here and post a bitch thread without any REAL reason to do so. So he's not attempting to collect a debt.

But it's up to the OP if he wishes to talk with a lawyer and pursue the matter, he couldn't apparently be bothered to pay a few bucks for hosting, so I doubt he's gonna pony up the scratch to get a lawyer to sit down and talk to him for a while about this either.

Keeping in mind I'm no lawyer, though I suppose I could call and ask my lawyer about it just for trivia's sake to see what he says, but then that's still just HIS opinion of how it is, and a judge could disagree of course.

 

[edfcmc]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
If your panties are in a bind after Joe "revealed personal information" that is nothing compared to UltraUnix.net which takes the grand prize as the worst web host ever (next to CyberWings and AngelNetworkz).

Actually, they just became unbound.....

 

[labgeek]

Originally posted by: McDealer

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Could be true, but I find it amusing that you appear to run or be affiliated with Tangi.net, who is a competitor to HostPC. Hope you don't have a dog in this fight to sling mud at a competitior since you are being so aggressive...

Thanks for pointing that out.

And show me where I am a competitor... please.

 

[hevnsnt]

OMG people it is just ATOT..

If HostPC wants to defend their rep on a board full of geeks, then so be it.

I have never been hosted with HostPC, so I am impartial.. I think what "Joe" did was fair... When I came into this thread I thought "I wonder why HostPC Sucks?" Now I know they "suck" because they wont let deadbeats get away with not paying their bill..

Good enough for me.

 

[labgeek]

Originally posted by: Dixiesys

Originally posted by: labgeek
§ 806. Harassment or abuse [15 USC 1692d]

3) The publication of a list of consumers who allegedly refuse to pay debts, except to a consumer reporting agency or to persons meeting the requirements of section 603(f) or 604(3)1 of this Act.

I see no "list of consumers", no names, no addresses, no phone numbers, who "refuse to pay debts" in what McDealer posted. I see an invoicing history of a customer not willing to pay to (begin? or renew?) his service.

A list can be a single element long. That section was originally aimed at debt collectors who published ads with lists of names on them in an effort to embarrass them. And he specifically said "this customer" and he published it in a public forum. And "late notice" equated even in your own rebuttal as "refuses to pay". The law does not mention addresses or phone numbers at all.

Edit - and if you have any question on the intent of the law. It also prevents the debt collector from using post cards for bill collection, or even putting their name on the envelope if the name relays that the company is trying to collect a debt. Think about it, how many would know who that name was if it was sent on a post card, 2 or 3 down at the post office and the one actually delivering the mail to your house - at most! The law is very protective of consumer's rights because debt collectors have been so willing to go to such tactics.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: labgeek

Originally posted by: McDealer

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Could be true, but I find it amusing that you appear to run or be affiliated with Tangi.net, who is a competitor to HostPC. Hope you don't have a dog in this fight to sling mud at a competitior since you are being so aggressive...

Thanks for pointing that out.

And show me where I am a competitor... please.

Are you or are you not affiliated with Tangi.net?

*edit* read your previous post. Well, considering the "Contact Us" link goes to your email, the same one listed in your profile, you are awfully uninvolved in the business. :roll:

 

[labgeek]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: labgeek

Originally posted by: McDealer

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Could be true, but I find it amusing that you appear to run or be affiliated with Tangi.net, who is a competitor to HostPC. Hope you don't have a dog in this fight to sling mud at a competitior since you are being so aggressive...

Thanks for pointing that out.

And show me where I am a competitor... please.

Are you or are you not affiliated with Tangi.net?

I am and I am not a competitor. I answered this already. I do not offer hosting. And I just checked, you cannot even order a domain name through there... (at least that what's it showing for me from the inside...) So HOW am I a competitor? I have not been FOR YEARS ...

edit* read your previous post. Well, considering the "Contact Us" link goes to your email, the same one listed in your profile, you are awfully uninvolved in the business.

For the 3rd time... I DO NOT OFFER HOSTING! AND HAVE NOT FOR YEARS. And (per the panel inside there) YOU CANNOT ACTUALLY COMPLETE AN ORDER EVEN FOR A DOMAIN NAME. AND THERE IS NOTHING ON THERE ABOUT HOSTING IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. I USE THE NAMES FOR MY DEVELOPMENT.

 

[RossMAN]

LOL

This thread reminds me why I have two rules regarding web hosting clients:

• Never host an AT'er unless it's a free account.
• Only target the local web hosting market where customers have no problems paying $19.95/mo for 50MB/2GB

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
LOL

This thread reminds me why I have two rules regarding web hosting clients:

• Never host an AT'er unless it's a free account.
• Only target the local web hosting market where customers have no problems paying $19.95/mo for 50MB/2GB

RossMan for Elite! oh, wait...

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
If your panties are in a bind after Joe "revealed personal information" that is nothing compared to UltraUnix.net which takes the grand prize as the worst web host ever (next to CyberWings and AngelNetworkz).

LOL...why even bring up that bullshlt thead...

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: RossMAN
If your panties are in a bind after Joe "revealed personal information" that is nothing compared to UltraUnix.net which takes the grand prize as the worst web host ever (next to CyberWings and AngelNetworkz).

LOL...why even bring up that bullshlt thead...

Because I'm UU's #1 fan?

 

[dartworth]

All we need now is Andrew in here to start yelling at everyone and erasing accounts...

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: dartworth
All we need now is Andrew in here to start yelling at everyone and erasing accounts...

Let's make it happen!

 

[hevnsnt]

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Originally posted by: dartworth
All we need now is Andrew in here to start yelling at everyone and erasing accounts...

Let's make it happen!

happened to me!

 

[edfcmc]

Ahh, the thread is dead!

 

[plastick]

Originally posted by: McDealer
Ya know, I really dont usually take issue with comments like this - with nothing to back them up - but this one is just plain wrong and I feel the need to defend it.

This customers account was due for renewal on 2005-08-17
We sent payment notices as follows:
Payment Due Notice sent 2005-08-02
Payment Due Notice sent 2005-08-10
Payment Due Notice sent 2005-08-15
Late Notice sent 2005-08-17
Account Suspended 2005-08-19

to the registered email address on file - which he received, and responded with:

Hey I keep getting emails from you guys like this and other
weird annoying ones from my godaddy account.. im frankly
tired of messing with this stuff, so im just not going to
do anything, and if my account stops working, then oh
well.

but im not updating my billing info again. I have dial
up!!

So HostPC sucks cause you didn't want to update your billing information and pay for services? Thats just not right. Best of luck with your new host.

*gasp*
Now I'm going to sue you for giving out my private information!

 

[plastick]

Originally posted by: McDealer
Oh comon - this just gets better... this client just emailed me:

> Hey is there any way that i can get my files off my web account before it is deleted? i seem to be unable to log into my account.

Yeah... now I KNOW you're not a professional.

Im glad that I didnt send you my credit card info again, else I would really have been pwned!!

Goodbye Hostpc! :thumbsdown: