God? What do you think:

[HAL9000]

My biggest issue with theists is that it is so rare that one tries to imply logic to proving their beliefs, there are logical proofs that god exists. They have flaws, but none-the-less I would be proud to argue with a theist that uses one of these proofs to argue their point, but all I get is "i feel god in the wind and the rain" or "jesus spoke to me when I was asleep" never a good argument. It's unfortunate because a real debate is worth having if both proponents actually reasonably argue their point.

 

[Nik]

we used to have those kinds of debates here on AT years ago, FWIW

 

[HAL9000]

we used to have those kinds of debates here on AT years ago, FWIW

That's a shame, I'd have enjoyed that...

 

[Dr. Zaus]

That's a shame, I'd have enjoyed that...

I have an argument from entropy I've been working on, care to hear it?

 

[HAL9000]

I have an argument from entropy I've been working on, care to hear it?

Why not, what's the worst that could happen.

 

[soulcougher73]

What do i think about what?

 

[HAL9000]

What do i think about what?

gods existence.

 

[Malak]

My biggest issue with theists is that it is so rare that one tries to imply logic to proving their beliefs, there are logical proofs that god exists. They have flaws, but none-the-less I would be proud to argue with a theist that uses one of these proofs to argue their point, but all I get is "i feel god in the wind and the rain" or "jesus spoke to me when I was asleep" never a good argument. It's unfortunate because a real debate is worth having if both proponents actually reasonably argue their point.

My biggest problem is people like you that think a debate decides what exists in reality. You have been wasting your life if that was your goal. It isn't logical or rational to think you can say something doesn't exist jsut because it doesn't make sense to you.

 

[HAL9000]

My biggest problem is people like you that think a debate decides what exists in reality. You have been wasting your life if that was your goal. It isn't logical or rational to think you can say something doesn't exist jsut because it doesn't make sense to you.

You're right, but what it does make sense to say is that it doesn't exist because there is no empirical or logical evidence that it does.

Debate is not able to decide what exist, but it is able to evaluate theory with positive or negative conclusion without debate (logical arguments) there would be no theory, no science, no fact or fiction.

Science is comprised of logical arguments and theory
Philosophy is comprised of logical arguments and theory
Maths is comprised of logical arguments and theory

Logical arguments are the basis for all knowledge, whether the premise for that argument is perception or pure logic it all requires reasoned arguments to reach a conclusion.

 

[Kirby]

we used to have those kinds of debates here on AT years ago, FWIW

You've been here longer than I; did anyone ever change their mind about their belief or disbelief?

Good debate or not (usually), these topics are always pointless in my experience and can bring out the worst in people (on both sides).

 

[HAL9000]

You've been here longer than I; did anyone ever change their mind about their belief or disbelief?

Good debate or not (usually), these topics are always pointless in my experience and can bring out the worst in people (on both sides).

That's true, but I'm on a constant search for a coherent argument that can logically prove or disprove philosophical theory, if someone else point of view can do that then I should seek it out.

It hasn't yet, but who knows it might be out there.

 

[Minjin]

In the face of empirical social-psychological benefit to faith I find it illogical not to believe, you might call my rationalization of being irrational irrational; I say if a placebo works when you know it's a placebo then it's not a placebo, its the power of irrational faith and hope.

Luckily you're not a scientist because you have no idea what placebo is. Placebo isn't just taking a drug and then thinking that it will make you better. Placebo is in the doctor interaction. It is in going to the hospital. It is in every single external stimulus you receive when you are attempting to heal an ailment. It doesn't matter that you've been told that the drug doesn't work. You're in a medical environment being handed a pill from an official looking person in a white coat. THAT is placebo and it was still very much present. It isn't faith. It is your brain's expectation based on prior experience of a result.

This is why you don't go to newspapers for science articles, because they don't know how to interpret results and give their relevance.

As for your later comments on having "evidence" and conducting "research", anecdotes aren't evidence and the plural of anecdotes is not data. You have a very skin deep understanding of science. You think that if you do these surface approximations of science that it gives you a scientific result. It kind of reminds me of cargo cults:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

 

[totalnoob]

You people are just atheists because you want to sin. Admit it like these guys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNVldj0q-v8

 

[HAL9000]

You people are just atheists because you want to sin. Admit it like these guys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNVldj0q-v8

YOU KNOW THE SECRETS! AAAH! KILL KILL.caps

 

[Malak]

That's true, but I'm on a constant search for a coherent argument that can logically prove or disprove philosophical theory, if someone else point of view can do that then I should seek it out.

It hasn't yet, but who knows it might be out there.

Your entire problem is you think the existence of God is theory or philosophy when it is neither. Evidence exists but you are wasting your time if you think you will find it on an internet forum. That isn't how people found dinosaurs.

 

[soulcougher73]

gods existence.

It was a joke. I was replying as if i was God

 

[HumblePie]

Hey,

Here's my real response.

I'm an Atheist in real life but an Agnostic/spiritual person on dating sites Because finding a attractive and awesome atheist girl who is also single is harder than winning the lottery So I have to make do with imperfections without scaring them off.

 

[HAL9000]

Hey,

Here's my real response.

I'm an Atheist in real life but an Agnostic/spiritual person on dating sites Because finding a attractive and awesome atheist girl who is also single is harder than winning the lottery So I have to make do with imperfections without scaring them off.

I lol'd; nice.

 

[HAL9000]

Your entire problem is you think the existence of God is theory or philosophy when it is neither. Evidence exists but you are wasting your time if you think you will find it on an internet forum. That isn't how people found dinosaurs.

No you're right, but if you are implying that I can dig and find god fossils then I look at you with a look of bemusement.

I'm sure you will accept the following premise:

God is (if he exists) outside of time and space, that is to say he is not restricted to a single time and is not comprised or restricted to matter, but rather exists outside of both.

As a result finding god using perception alone is impossible, we wont find an old man sat atop a mountain somewhere.

What does that leave us: Logic. So we must use our reason, our logic, to comprehend the existence of a being we cannot see, smell, hear, touch or taste. Logic can be expressed (although rarely is) on an internet forum.

So here is as good a place to look as any. Using pure logic to determine a conclusion is philosophy. So yes, it is philosophy and an internet forum is as good a place as any.

Also you say evidence exists, well if I was searching for dinosaurs why wouldn't I ask someone who had seen the evidence where it was so:

Where is it?

It was a joke. I was replying as if i was God

Well played.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Evidence exists

Put up, or shut up, jackass.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

It isn't logical or rational to think you can say something doesn't exist jsut because it doesn't make sense to you.

WTF kind of bullshit is that?

It is perfectly logical and rational to say something doesn't exist because it is incoherent.

I don't need to check reality to know that married bachelors don't exist.

I also don't need to check reality to know that an omnibenevolent, omnipotent being that allows unnecessary evil doesn't exist.

 

[HAL9000]

WTF kind of bullshit is that?

It is perfectly logical and rational to say something doesn't exist because it is incoherent.

I don't need to check reality to know that married bachelors don't exist.

I also don't need to check reality to know that an omnibenevolent, omnipotent being that allows unnecessary evil doesn't exist.

Ah but that is more than just incoherent it is impossible, it is by definition false. A bit more than just not making sense.

 

[Blackjack200]

Hey,

Here's my real response.

I'm an Atheist in real life but an Agnostic/spiritual person on dating sites Because finding a attractive and awesome atheist girl who is also single is harder than winning the lottery So I have to make do with imperfections without scaring them off.

I put atheist on my profile b/c I figure it's more liketly to attract awesome atheist women, and it seems like there's less risk that mind numbing christian echobox will see the profile and think shee can 'save' me.

 

[HumblePie]

I put atheist on my profile b/c I figure it's more liketly to attract awesome atheist women, and it seems like there's less risk that mind numbing christian echobox will see the profile and think shee can 'save' me.

I wish. I did that for a year and went dateless for a year. I switched over to putting up Agnostic/Spiritual and started seeing women again. Ahh the power of poon is greater than that of any god man can conceive

 

[Blackjack200]

WTF kind of bullshit is that?

It is perfectly logical and rational to say something doesn't exist because it is incoherent.

I don't need to check reality to know that married bachelors don't exist.

I also don't need to check reality to know that an omnibenevolent, omnipotent being that allows unnecessary evil doesn't exist.

STFU... What's next, just because a fat bearded man running a toy factory at the north pole using elvin slaves for labor to produce fee toys for Europeans and Americans isn't logical or rational to you, you think you can just say he doesn't exist?

You are clearly overreaching sir.