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God is real: SCIENTIFIC PROOF!

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OverVolt said:
You exist, there was an origin to the universe of unknown origin. Fact is we are tiny and way over our head with the forces of the universe and we are extremely lucky to be here. So there is a creator/god and religion personifies it. That may not be the case in reality but I have no issue with it. I'm just thankful to be here and religion seems to be the most obvious way to pay my respect. What is it the atheists do exactly? Whatever.

There absolutely is something responsible for your existence, because hey, here you are.
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How does Religion give you a way to pay your respect?
 
OverVolt said:
You exist, there was an origin to the universe of unknown origin. Fact is we are tiny and way over our head with the forces of the universe and we are extremely lucky to be here. So there is a creator/god and religion personifies it. That may not be the case in reality but I have no issue with it. I'm just thankful to be here and religion seems to be the most obvious way to pay my respect. What is it the atheists do exactly? Whatever.

There absolutely is something responsible for your existence, because hey, here you are.
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Being an atheist is what made me appreciate what life really is, how insignificant we really are, and what we are. If you believe in a christian god, you shouldn't feel over your head with the forces of the universe, they were all created to support this little planet and we're the 'center' of it.

When I stopped believing in fairy tales I realized what we are, as Carl Sagan said, we are the universe experiencing itself. I wonder if we're just a step in the evolution of life, where one day life will be something we can't even comprehend. Are we just an experiment where a certain set of rules of physics and a certain amount of matter was put into a giant petri dish? Is there a higher power? I don't know, there very well could be. But I think you have to be crazy to think one of these human-centric religions is correct, especially given all the contradictions and parts that are plainly incorrect you have to pretend aren't.
 
OverVolt said:
You can say no its that we're in the habitable zone with a good star in the tail of the milky way galaxy with just the right forces, and we haven't been vaporized by a comet, and the planet is 4.6 billion years old and used to be a steaming ball of magma, and we're the result of 3.6 billion years of evolution (with a b, life on earth has been going for that long). The whole absurd improbability that we're here is God, duh.

Not to be confused with creationism/intelligent design. I'd actually argue for something like dumb luck design. Same way evolution works. Evolution is dumb, via random mutations. I don't see why at the absolute heart of the issue is how you attribute the absurd improbability that we are here at all. Either you think the universe is deterministic and we were guaranteed to be here, and take the gift of life forgranted. Or you think the universe is stochastic and its a statistical miracle we are here at all. I think its the latter because of the way statistical probability breaks down on the fundamental level. IE Heisenberg uncertainty, trying to predict the radioactive decay of a single atom and such. The universe is too full of non-deterministic phenomenon for that to be true.

So we're lucky. Don't waste your life.
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This site says there are 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe. Many of them have multiple planets. We've discovered other planets that we believe would be in a habitable zone around their star. It seems fairly likely that other planets somewhere would be able to support some form of life.
 
SlowSpyder said:
Think what way? That the odds appear to be very good that somewhere among the trillions of other solar systems there might be a planet that also supports life?
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Oh really? Show me the math you did to come to that conclusion.

Suppose you do have trillions of solar systems but the chance of life from each solar system is 1/10^9999999.

How are your odds now despite having trillions of solar systems? Not too good? So what makes you believe that chances are very good? Do you have any data on what the chance of life is per solar system?
 
So, how long did the post-Flood/post departure from the Ark hibernation period for all the predators on the Ark last? They must have slept for years, otherwise predators, such as wolves, bears of all sorts, large cats like lions, tigers, jaguars, etc., avian predators, etc., etc. would have otherwise starved to death after being released from the Ark because there were only 2 of each prey animal like rodents, gazelles, antelopes, sheep, etc., etc., and eating one would kill the prey animal's lineage....and species. It would have taken years to build herds large enough to sustain being eaten occasionally/frequently.

And how long were the prey animals held in hibernation until the Earth recovered from the flood and all the vegetation re-established itself in quantities sufficient to support herds of grazing prey animals?
 
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I don't even understand why people care whether or not he exists. Even the religions say he doesn't do sh1t. So what difference is there between a tree falling in the forest and one that falls, but is watched, and left undisturbed?


The outcome is the same for both.
 
disappoint said:
Oh really? Show me the math you did to come to that conclusion.

Suppose you do have trillions of solar systems but the chance of life from each solar system is 1/10^9999999.

How are your odds now despite having trillions of solar systems? Not too good? So what makes you believe that chances are very good? Do you have any data on what the chance of life is per solar system?
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Here's some math:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/extraterrestrial-life-odds1.htm


I said the chances 'appear' to be very good, I stand by that. We've found planets in habitable zones. If they have the right mix of elements they very well could have life. And that's not even considering life that looks nothing like what we know as life, life that could possibly develop in completely different conditions than those of our planet. I think you have to really try to turn a blind eye to the evidence to think this huge universe was created just so we can occupy this little spec of dust.
 
disappoint said:
Oh really? Show me the math you did to come to that conclusion.

Suppose you do have trillions of solar systems but the chance of life from each solar system is 1/10^9999999.

How are your odds now despite having trillions of solar systems? Not too good? So what makes you believe that chances are very good? Do you have any data on what the chance of life is per solar system?
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In an infinite universe, wouldn't there be inifinite solar systems? Man only has the ability to see things a few billion light years away. What about objects that are trillions of light years away? Quadrillions of light years away? Googleplexes of light years away?
 
bshole said:
In an infinite universe, wouldn't there be inifinite solar systems? Man only has the ability to see things a few billion light years away. What about objects that are trillions of light years away? Quadrillions of light years away? Googleplexes of light years away?
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If the current theory of universal expansion is correct, there is no trillions of light years away.
 
IronWing said:
If the current theory of universal expansion is correct, there is no trillions of light years away.
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So what is at the end of the universe, a fucking door, a wall? What is "outside" of the universe?

Shit science can't even prove that our entire universe isn't a single molecue in a larger universe. We are limited by our ability to observe. We are in the system, there is absolutey no way for us to ever get out of the system to observe the reality of the situation.
 
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