Debatable since as with many other philosophers, he never left a 100% blueprint of his ideal end state.
Debatable since as with many other philosophers, he never left a 100% blueprint of his ideal end state.
WhipperSnapper
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...except for in the United States where a huge segment of the populace is still trying to outlaw 'bortions and teach creationism in the schools.
I wouldn't be surprised if most people still believe in it 1000 years from now. Throughout history religion has been used as the opiate of the masses and as a means of political control In fact, it's quite possible that our future could be a return to the Dark Ages instead of the Space Age, especially if the people warning about "Peak Oil" prove to be correct. From what I can tell, the world is only becoming increasingly populated and impoverished, with much of that third world poverty spreading to the United States in the form of the erosion of the middle class.
WhipperSnapper
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How do you know that people feel so empty inside today? Are you certain that you can't find large numbers of atheists and secular people who are perfectly happy and who feel fulfilled? Also, is it possible that much of the alleged emptyness might come from external factors such as the difficulty of maintaining a middle class lifestyle in today's United States (65 hour work weeks, no time for family, etc.).
It's also very possible that some of the people just had the wrong philosophy and should discover a better philosophy. For example, I've known people who were raised to be religious and who ended up carrying all sorts of poisonous religious baggage and philosophy with them even after they claimed to have become atheists. So, in a sense, it might very well be the poison of the religion that makes them feel empty inside. I suggest that they consider a different philosophy, one based on the notion that reality is objective in nature, that reason is man's means of knowledge, and that pursuing one's own life is the good. I might put it this way:
"There is a philosophy out there that is completely different from anything else that you've ever heard. If you're interested, read The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.
kage69
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I disagree. They did not kill philosophy - they killed people's patience in reading it! Kant in particular. Haven't been in that much discomfort since I read the Popol Vuh. Haven't met too many 'empty' types who point to Hegel and such as the cause of their despair. Usually it's something like priests preaching love whilst molesting children, or the precepts of love and forgiveness being twisted to villify and persecute.
Hmm, I doubt you ever read the bible all the way for you to make such a comment. Read the book, take some of that information in and then make a judgement. There are huge gaps in the bible with parts missing, parts altered and other things that are hard to explain. Some of the translations may not be totally accurate as far as we know. But still, it is among the greatest works of literature ever.
WhipperSnapper
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I mean that it's becoming increasingly difficult to attain and to maintain middle class status in the United States today. If you're interested, you can learn more by reading Paul Craig Roberts' editorials at this address:
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/all_columns.htm
I haven't read it all the way through, but I did attempt it once. It was really really boring and after the part about the dick-chopping covenant, I decided it wasn't worth torturing myself. Greek and Norse mythology is far more entertaining - its not so preachy.
I have heard that the best way to become an atheist is to read the bible all the way through. So I guess you haven't read the bible all the way through yourself!
Originally posted by: kage69
Going on past experience in this forum, I'll wager he has spent more time reading it than you have. Stop regurgitating what you hear on TV, it makes you sound stupid.
Classic :thumbsup:
It wasn't intended for you. You're assuming this and assuming that, typical of you. Looking at past posts, I really do believe you are fair and balanced in how to judge. I'm wondering myself how would a genius such as yourself can know if I even watch tv at all. Oh wait, such a genius can know of such things without them even happening.
Good for you, though. You win teh interwab.
But yes, you're the typical P&Ner, always bright and always witty. Go you.
Originally posted by: kage69
Well I'd like to think my sig would remind me... :laugh: ROTFLMAO!
Like I said, I'm going on past experience.
Yes, go me! :laugh:
I always see your sig with pleasure. Remind me again when I made that remark?
I don't have the Fox News channel anymore, all I get is CNN, I'm sure you're happy about that.
Symbolically, yes. In reality, no. In a manner of thinking, God is dead to all those who are not willing to include him in their life. Does that mean he ceases to exist? No. Only to that person is he dead. Ironically, the one who acts dead is the man. Unwilling to hear, listen, or understand. God is always there whenever we're ready to turn to him.
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