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Lifer
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Man who put hook in hypnotism to catch fish have smelly fingers. Moonbeam nose.

Your attempt to copy my style ended in an embarrassing display of word salad from you. Better stick to coming up with your own original thoughts next time.
 
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sandorski

No Lifer
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One thing for certain is that when you die you'll find out.

There could be gods and no After Life, an After Life for some creature we have no knowledge of, an After Life for every life form other than us, or many other possibilities.
 

John Connor

Lifer
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I like how people say God doesn't exist or God exists. Like you even know.

For me personally there's a lot of evidence that suggests perhaps there is an afterlife or some realm. Biblical archeology seems to correspond to what's written in the Bible. Then you have the life after death encounters and other pseudoscience stuff. The universe is too big just to have a closed mind. I look up on an almost nightly basis and wonder about its creation and the possibility of other life. We don't even see all the stars in the night sky from our own galaxy. There's much more to this universe than we know. We have much to learn.
 

tcsenter

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For me personally there's a lot of evidence that suggests perhaps there is an afterlife or some realm. Biblical archeology seems to correspond to what's written in the Bible.
That's pretty much the norm for 2K + year-old story-telling traditions, to embellish or take creative license with real events, places, figures in one's history. The whole-cloth fabricated story with made-up people, places, events is a recent development in literature, and even those are usually not 100% made-up so much as creative abstractions from real things, composite characters, etc.
 

John Connor

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Pretty much the norm? You have a book that in large part is being shit on and here we have Biblical archeology that proves otherwise and you're saying this is "pretty much the norm?"
 

cyberserf

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For those who do not believe in the oneness of the creator then they will certainly go to hell fire. life is short. Do you guys really think humans just came to be from the earth which has no life itself?
our sophistication and design is impossible to just come to be. You people need to wake up before it is too late for you.
 

sandorski

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Pretty much the norm? You have a book that in large part is being shit on and here we have Biblical archeology that proves otherwise and you're saying this is "pretty much the norm?"

The Bible mentioning places that existed makes the rest of it totes legit?

Independence Day mentioned places that existed. Is it totes legit too?
 

sandorski

No Lifer
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For those who do not believe in the oneness of the creator then they will certainly go to hell fire. life is short. Do you guys really think humans just came to be from the earth which has no life itself?
our sophistication and design is impossible to just come to be. You people need to wake up before it is too late for you.

That's what the evidence shows.
 

omega3

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For those who do not believe in the oneness of the creator then they will certainly go to hell fire. life is short. Do you guys really think humans just came to be from the earth which has no life itself?
our sophistication and design is impossible to just come to be. You people need to wake up before it is too late for you.
If God would exist, then why so much suffering of innocent people. Why are babies in Africa born with HIV just to die in a couple of hours? Are you saying God is sadistic? Does he punish innocent people because of the wrong-doings of others (which the bible suggests i believe). Doesn't make much sense to me.

I really wish there was a good God and an afterlife where our soul goes.. it's a nice feeling but wishing something doesn't make it so.

I personally think we were created by *some* kind of intelligent design.. maybe some advanced race made our universe and then forgot about it.. could just aswell be something like that. The only thing i know is apparently we're not allowed to know where we come from. But it is somewhat fascinating that we have the brain power to discuss our own existence like we're doing right now. That's weird i have to admit.
 

cyberserf

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every single messenger that came starting from Adam have one clear message that there is no God but the one true God. he has no children or spouse. he is also not a human.

The creator has given humans free will and choices so that is the world right now is the way it is based on our own choices.
either we follow him or we don't .
based on that people will be judged.
It is humans who cause their own suffering. HIV is from humans too. The creator did not give that to people like you say.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
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based on theories and assumptions. they were not there when it started.

No, based upon actual existing things. Like Fossils, the geologic column, radioactive decay, DNA, and a far better understanding of this Universe than Ancient people had.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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every single messenger that came starting from Adam have one clear message that there is no God but the one true God. he has no children or spouse. he is also not a human.

The creator has given humans free will and choices so that is the world right now is the way it is based on our own choices.
either we follow him or we don't .
based on that people will be judged.
It is humans who cause their own suffering. HIV is from humans too. The creator did not give that to people like you say.

No. The world existed like it is before any Human existed on it.
 

omega3

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based on theories and assumptions. they were not there when it started.
And what makes you so sure what's written in the bible holds any truth? People have always wondered about there existence and have come up with all kinds of gods and theories. Add to this that religious leaders figured out they can have enormous power over people and voila.. let's write a book and make everybody obey to them. So why God from the bible and not Thor or any other god ever invented?
 

SMOGZINN

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every single messenger that came starting from Adam have one clear message that there is no God but the one true God.

Not True at all. His Starchieness the Holy Bobby Henderson has given us clear revelation that we were created by the great Flying Spaghetti Monster.

based on theories and assumptions. they were not there when it started.

Also your own assumption. J. R. "Bob" Dobbs was there and has reveled to us that life was started by JHVH-1, and that the chosen people are descended from Yetis.
 

cyberserf

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No, based upon actual existing things. Like Fossils, the geologic column, radioactive decay, DNA, and a far better understanding of this Universe than Ancient people had.

and these same people can't cure any thing of importance like cancer, HIV etc..
you are going to believe them?
every documentary also starts with"we assume" "we believe" "we think"
all assumptions and theories.
evolution is a complete sham. there is no way we an just come to be from a lifeless earth. our brains alone have billions of neurons. our senses, touch, and how everything works in our body.
How can you for even one moment think that something that complicated can just happen on its own.
 

cyberserf

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Not True at all. His Starchieness the Holy Bobby Henderson has given us clear revelation that we were created by the great Flying Spaghetti Monster.



Also your own assumption. J. R. "Bob" Dobbs was there and has reveled to us that life was started by JHVH-1, and that the chosen people are descended from Yetis.

some people will never change. they will always believe in what they want.
like I said before, all the messengers chosen by the creator had one simple message. there is no God but the one true God. they all just made that up?
 

Cerpin Taxt

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some people will never change. they will always believe in what they want.
like I said before, all the messengers chosen by the creator had one simple message.
What creator? How do you tell which "messengers" are "chosen by the creator"?

I might be a messenger chosen by the creator. How can you tell if I am or not?

there is no God but the one true God. they all just made that up?
Most people that want to believe in a god want their god to be the only god. So yes, basically they all just made it up.
 

Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
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and these same people can't cure any thing of importance like cancer, HIV etc..
Science doesn't have all the answers, so we can't have high confidence in some of the answers?

you are going to believe them?
Yes, because I have seen the evidence myself.

every documentary also starts with"we assume" "we believe" "we think"
So what?

all assumptions and theories.
The only assumption necessary to science is the same assumption you make when you assume your car keys were not magically hidden from you while you slept. The fact is you make the same assumptions as the scientists, but you do it so commonly that you don't even realize it.

Then, some scientist makes a discovery that threatens your worldview, and you're all "it's just assumptions and theories." Come on.


evolution is a complete sham.
No, it isn't. It's been observed and confirmed, your ignorance notwithstanding.

there is no way we an just come to be from a lifeless earth.
Panspermia, among many other possible scenarios.

our brains alone have billions of neurons. our senses, touch, and how everything works in our body.
How can you for even one moment think that something that complicated can just happen on its own.
I guess our brains are just more evolved.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
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and these same people can't cure any thing of importance like cancer, HIV etc.. you are going to believe them?
I'm now assuming you are trolling, but just in case you are not modern science has cured many important things, like for example:

Smallpox
polio
Yaws
Malaria
Lymphatic filariasis
Measles
Rubella
Onchocerciasis
Bovine spongiform encephalopathy
Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease
Syphilis
Rabies


How can you for even one moment think that something that complicated can just happen on its own.

You are vastly underestimating how much can happen in a few billion years.