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God did NOT create the Universe, says Stephen Hawking

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Train said:
Because a perfect world would be really stupid and meaningless.

A world with an unlimited amount of challenges for us to overcome... now that's something.
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fuck you and your challenges. I have had enough of challenges. I am fucking challeneged out.

If your god existed then the world wouldnt suck worse than a chinese hooker :colbert:
 
sandorski said:
My belief is that a god is something, so where did it come from?
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Each believer creates god in their own mind. It's a remarkable capacity of the human mind to be able to create a god and then transfer all our personal responsibilities to our creation and feel good about. We create elaborate explanations of how our god critter really wants to take on this burden leaving us free to feel good about things.
 
IronWing said:
Each believer creates god in their own mind. It's a remarkable capacity of the human mind to be able to create a god and then transfer all our personal responsibilities to our creation and feel good about. We create elaborate explanations of how our god critter really wants to take on this burden leaving us free to feel good about things.
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Good explanation. Although I prefer, "It's just BS!"

😀
 
sandorski said:
My belief is that a god is something, so where did it come from?
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This is what i would believe to be true if i believed there was a god at all. Do these so called Gods also have Gods who created them. And do those Gods also have a God who created them. It never ends LOL

Which brings me to the belief that humans created God out of the fear of death and the unknown.
 
bignateyk said:
Thinking about it more, I really don't follow his logic at all.

My analogy would be a computer program. The software we see running didn't write itself. It was born on the compile, much like the universe was born at the big bang. But the laws that govern the piece of software were written by a programmer. Much like the laws of the universe.

I'm not saying I believe in heaven/hell, etc.., which I really don't. I consider myself an agnostic, but I see his logic as being flawed. Unless this article was taken out of context or something.

He offers no explanation as to where the laws of physics might have come from to begin with.
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This. I don't think he said "God did not create the universe", I think the point was that he didn't believe God was necessary for things to play out the way they (apparently) did, that everything that happened is neatly worked in the laws of physics. He doesn't explain who created the laws of physics in the first place, kind of saying "they just are", which sounds very much like a religious explanation of who created God -- he just is and has always been.
 
Double Trouble said:
This. I don't think he said "God did not create the universe", I think the point was that he didn't believe God was necessary for things to play out the way they (apparently) did, that everything that happened is neatly worked in the laws of physics. He doesn't explain who created the laws of physics in the first place, kind of saying "they just are", which sounds very much like a religious explanation of who created God -- he just is and has always been.
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The idea, or one of them anyways, is that it's possible that "Laws of Physics" are not Created, they just Are. They are Universal, but only in this Universe. In another Universe, there could be Laws of Physics that are different. How? Why? Beyond our scope at this time.

There could be billions of Universes that exist within some plane of existence and there could be billions of those Planes as well and one could continue that line of thought to Infinity and still not find the Origin.
 
Sea Moose said:
fuck you and your challenges. I have had enough of challenges. I am fucking challeneged out.

If your god existed then the world wouldnt suck worse than a chinese hooker :colbert:
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If you think the world sucks then I'm sorry for you.

I actually think the world, and my life in it, is pretty awesome.
 
If there is a God, and he did create everything, and intended for humans to have the intelligence that we do, then he would probably be pretty irritated that we didn't use our logical skills to deduce that he doesn't exist. Thus, those who rely on faith (acceptance of something when there is zero evidence) will be denied entry into heaven, while those who doubted his existence will pass right into Heaven.
 
DrPizza said:
If there is a God, and he did create everything, and intended for humans to have the intelligence that we do, then he would probably be pretty irritated that we didn't use our logical skills to deduce that he doesn't exist. Thus, those who rely on faith (acceptance of something when there is zero evidence) will be denied entry into heaven, while those who doubted his existence will pass right into Heaven.
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Doesn't that fall into the "make the world fit my beliefs, not the other way around" category?
 
DrPizza said:
If there is a God, and he did create everything, and intended for humans to have the intelligence that we do, then he would probably be pretty irritated that we didn't use our logical skills to deduce that he doesn't exist. Thus, those who rely on faith (acceptance of something when there is zero evidence) will be denied entry into heaven, while those who doubted his existence will pass right into Heaven.
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hehe, would be Ironic.
 
I feel pretty strongly that the Daily Fail is misrepresenting Hawking in his explanation. Specifically, I don't think that Hawking believes that there once existed "nothing" and out of it suddenly popped the universe, but that's the way it's made to sound. Rather, I suspect he was saying that the universe continually creates itself in a self-actualizing sense, and didn't "come from" anything -- as we would say if the universe had always existed.

His general point that God is not necessary to explain the universe's existence is certainly true, however.
 
DrPizza said:
If there is a God, and he did create everything, and intended for humans to have the intelligence that we do, then he would probably be pretty irritated that we didn't use our logical skills to deduce that he doesn't exist. Thus, those who rely on faith (acceptance of something when there is zero evidence) will be denied entry into heaven, while those who doubted his existence will pass right into Heaven.
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Oh dear, is that your thinking? I don't take you to be the philosopher.
 
I'm on board with this kind of theory, but how do the laws of physics cause the spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing?

So we start out with nothing...except for presumably the laws of physics...but with nothing for them to act on...and that somehow makes the universe come about?

I hate things I don't understand.
 
soulcougher73 said:
This is what i would believe to be true if i believed there was a god at all. Do these so called Gods also have Gods who created them. And do those Gods also have a God who created them. It never ends LOL

Which brings me to the belief that humans created God out of the fear of death and the unknown.
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The human mind can't handle the TRUE concept of infinity and infinite nothingness outside of our own universe, therefore we need something to fill in that void to keep us from going bonkers.

Think about it, if .9999999999=1 and .9999999999...% of the universe and everything outside of it is OTHER THAN you (or the whole earth for that matter), then what does that make you? Exactly. And that's why people made God.
 
dainthomas said:
Think about it, if .9999999999=1 and .9999999999...% of the universe and everything outside of it is OTHER THAN you (or the whole earth for that matter), then what does that make you? Exactly. And that's why people made God.
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Worst argument ever.
 
Crono said:
Proving the universe created itself from nothing is just about the same difficulty as proving God did it.

You can't do either.

Also: that's not what the book is about, and he doesn't say "God didn't create the universe".
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The leading explanation of how our universe sprang from nothing is a bit misleading. The leading theory of what spawned the universe has to do with interdimensional "membranes". Imagine unimaginably huge sheets of energy that are very close to each other. Every so often these "branes" touch each other, and the resulting energy discharge creates a new bubble universe. Our universe may be one of many- like bubbles in a glass of soda. Our brains have difficulty comprehending ideas like this because of the immense scales of time and space they cover, and the physics behind the evidence is quite complex, but it is looking more and more like this is what reality actually is.

People that get angry about God not creating the universe are close minded---maybe there is a God and he created the membranes that created our universe...maybe the membranes are part of another even larger system that he created. The problem with God is he is used as a stopgap explanation. Humans have to have an explanation for everything- and if we don't, we tend to say "God did it." As our intelligence grows, God keeps getting pushed further down the road because we keep finding the reason things happen involve natural laws, not a supreme being.
 
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