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I really don't understand this. Does Toyota use better plastics in their interior? A different grade metal? IMO they use the same materials to make a car so I don't understand how someone can say Toyota is more quality than GM or any other American car company exept for maybe Chrysler.
 
Originally posted by: alareau
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
My source in the Tech. Center says that there are a lot more taxis than the original story would lead you to believe is necessary.

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What exactly is the Tech. Center? Is it a R&D division of GM?
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It's R&D, engineering, testing, prototyping.

Click here to see it.. It is the massive complex bordered by Mound Rd on the west, Van *** on the East, 12 Mile to the south and Chicago to the North. Gm also owns/owned most of the land west of Mound. There are a bunch of houses going up in the southern section right now.
 
I'll be buying GM as long as they commit to making the new Camaro and GTO. Nobody does RWD muscle like GM does with their small block V8s and yet still prices them reasonably. I like the brash unapologetic grunt and tire pealing power of a strong RWD car. Not only do they look and feel strong, but they have standard parts and equipment to back it up. They can take a beating that would kill most of your street cars and still perform like new. It's a nitch market that I'll be staying in as long as the cars are made.

I would consider Ford if they got rid of that 4.6L they call a V8. Dodge is another consideration too, but slapping on 4 doors and not allowing for a standard transmission is inexcusable. It good that they are correcting that with the Challenger though.
 
Originally posted by: Hellspawn
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.
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Maybe more like Thanks GM for making crappy cars all these years?
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Yep, thats more like it. People who work there sometimes won't buy the cars because they know the parts they use only last just a few years. Not built to last (except for the engines at least) and NO taste in design.
 
Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
I'll be buying GM as long as they commit to making the new Camaro and GTO. Nobody does RWD muscle like GM does with their small block V8s and yet still prices them reasonably. I like the brash unapologetic grunt and tire pealing power of a strong RWD car. Not only do they look and feel strong, but they have standard parts and equipment to back it up. They can take a beating that would kill most of your street cars and still perform like new. It's a nitch market that I'll be staying in as long as the cars are made.

I would consider Ford if they got rid of that 4.6L they call a V8. Dodge is another consideration too, but slapping on 4 doors and not allowing for a standard transmission is inexcusable. It good that they are correcting that with the Challenger though.
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They have canceled future production of the GTO after this year. Camaro will take another 3-4 years to come out....if they still decide to make it.
 
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
Only way GM can turn around is to pretty much start over, kill off the UAW, hire people that aren't union and who believe the union is NOT in the company's best interest, and compeltely revamp how everything works.
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Killing the UAW isn't going to make the hundreds of thousands of pensions/healthcare benefits that GM is paying go away.
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No but it would make them far less going forward.
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Too many of them already have pensions built up to some extent. That's why GM is offering them buyouts (see story), to limit how big those pensions will be. There are people who retired 35-40 years ago still collecting from GM.

ATOT still bitched that GM was stupid for offering buyouts. :roll:
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You have to remember the collective intelligence of ATOT falls between 3rd - 6th grade, when discussing American companies.

GM desperately needs retirees to start dying. Morbid but true.
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Hmm, GM should hire a hit squad and start capping off people to cut down on pensions and medical payments. Make them all look like suicides and the family can't collect life insurance.
 
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
I'll be buying GM as long as they commit to making the new Camaro and GTO. Nobody does RWD muscle like GM does with their small block V8s and yet still prices them reasonably. I like the brash unapologetic grunt and tire pealing power of a strong RWD car. Not only do they look and feel strong, but they have standard parts and equipment to back it up. They can take a beating that would kill most of your street cars and still perform like new. It's a nitch market that I'll be staying in as long as the cars are made.

I would consider Ford if they got rid of that 4.6L they call a V8. Dodge is another consideration too, but slapping on 4 doors and not allowing for a standard transmission is inexcusable. It good that they are correcting that with the Challenger though.
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They have canceled future production of the GTO after this year. Camaro will take another 3-4 years to come out....if they still decide to make it.
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You posted that as if I don't read up on this stuff all the time.
Link to GTO article.
I'm going to wait. My current cars will get me through it.
 
This is a little sad... but I don't feel too badly for those getting laid off. GM has consistently overpaid their workers (both blue-collar and white-collar)... and I'm sure those getting the pink slip today will walk away with nice severance packages to boot.
 
I dont buy American made cars as I find them unreliable...and also they suck back the gas. If they started to design hybrids or more fuel efficient cars then maybe they can win back the market but until then, I will continue to buy imports as I have never had a problem with them. GM/Ford needs to get with the times and rethink their marketing strategy as what they are currently doing is not working.
 
Originally posted by: Hellspawn
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.
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Maybe more like Thanks GM for making crappy cars all these years?
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Yep. The POS GM series of minivans don't even approach the ballpark of the Toyotas and Hondas.
 
I'm not a GM man by any means. I'm a Mopar man, but you can guarantee that I would buy a GM before I touched another foreign car. Nothing but problems. Toyota's reliable? Tell that to the Toyota that is sitting in my driveway deader than a doornail. Honda? All my Honda friends spend more time under the hood trying to make it run than they do on the road.

Foreign cars = Crap IMHO
 
Originally posted by: mrrman
I dont buy American made cars as I find them unreliable...and also they suck back the gas. If they started to design hybrids or more fuel efficient cars then maybe they can win back the market but until then, I will continue to buy imports as I have never had a problem with them. GM/Ford needs to get with the times and rethink their marketing strategy as what they are currently doing is not working.
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Hybrids are a myth, do your research. And as for gas milage, my Dad's Geo Metro (GM product) gets 45MPG w/ the AC on. Cant beat that for an $800 car.
 
Originally posted by: MBrown
I really don't understand this. Does Toyota use better plastics in their interior? A different grade metal? IMO they use the same materials to make a car so I don't understand how someone can say Toyota is more quality than GM or any other American car company exept for maybe Chrysler.
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Foreign companies value reliabilty and engineering a lot more and started using advanced QA methods decades before American companies. American car companies were more worried about putting all the bells and whistles on the car first than designing a good powertrain

 
Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: Hellspawn
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.
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Maybe more like Thanks GM for making crappy cars all these years?
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Yep. The POS GM series of minivans don't even approach the ballpark of the Toyotas and Hondas.
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They're not even in the same ballpark and yet don't have the balls to approach the ballpark to get in. How lame.
 
Originally posted by: Unheard
And as for gas milage, my Dad's Geo Metro (GM product) gets 45MPG w/ the AC on. Cant beat that for an $800 car.
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LOL. The old Civic hatchback could get 45MPG, too. That's not engineering innovation, that's simple physics.
 
I'll be buying GM as long as they commit to making the new Camaro and GTO. Nobody does RWD muscle like GM does with their small block V8s and yet still prices them reasonably. I like the brash unapologetic grunt and tire pealing power of a strong RWD car.
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Especially the brash way the resale value declines 50% when you drive it off the lot.

That 91' Honda Civic you just blew by on the highway gets double your gas mileage and has already 4x the mileage before you'll be replacing major engine parts because of shoddy assembly.

Yup, you're a bad ass all right. Untile you hit the first fork in the road and the little Japanese sedan passes you because he has better handling.

My Dad used to drag-race his 71' Cuda yearsa ago, and could pull a quarter mile in about 11 seconds pinning your brains to the seat. THAT was horsepower. Dad now owns a Toyota Camry and Honda Accord and woulnd't won a domestic car if you forced him. I just guess some people don't grow up.
 
The old Civic hatchback could get 45MPG, too. That's not engineering innovation, that's simple physics
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I've seen Civics that were abused to death with a quarter million miles on them. Is that simple physics to?
 
American car companies were more worried about putting all the bells and whistles on the car first than designing a good powertrain
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Business 101 - goes like this:

Push -vs- Pull marketing

American automakers design a car, then spend billions figuring out how to market it. Japanese automakers spend billions on R&D designing a car they feel consumers will buy, and spend little on marketing it.

Being fair here, American engineers are just as smart as Japanese engineers, if not more innovative because they think 'out of the box' better. The problem is with GM, Ford and Chrysler. They are still using marketing demographics from 30years ago and base long term engineering goals on short term market trends, aka SUVs. The glory days of the blue collar, uneducated factory worker buying big domestic cars because they don't know any better are gone.
 
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