GM White Collar workers: BLACK TUESDAY looming.

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
How? They cannot pull the UAW out, they cannot cut pensions, they cannot cut healthcare, they cannot fire the ones dragging down the ship.

Plus, the money they are throwing at that stuff is being siphoned out of R&D. The price of their cars has to stay competitive or they will no be purchased, but the cost to manufacture is obscenely high because of those non-manufacturing debts. So they have to sell the low end cars at razor thin profits or they can skimp on parts that do not affect vehicle reliability.

They could, as the last resort, declare bankruptcy so everything is null and void. Impossible you say? Fortune magazine said it could happend. Interesting article.

GM could face bankruptcy down the road

Suppliers would scatter. They would have a hard time finding anyone to get them parts at a decent price. My company just got shafted by Dana's bankruptcy, and now with rumors of Lear filing soon I doubt we will be shipping much to them either.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Svnla

You still haven't answer my questions. If GM is doing so great in quality and gas milage, why they are losing BILLIONS and why their market share was the LOWEST in their history? LOL

Yes, he did answer your questions. Car buyers are extremely gun shy. You have one bad experience with one car or another, you never buy another, and you tell all your friends. Hyundai is STILL trying to climb out of the whole they dug even before GM dug theirs.

Their market share is off because of perception, not any actual problem with the cars.

Their monetary losses are because of their astronomical overhead.

I wonder who's fault the perception is? You can't screw your loyal customers and expect them to come back after you say "We've changed!". Most people will never go back to a burger joint if they get bad service, you think some one dropping 20K on a purchase they regretted is going to be excited about doing it again?

Like the quote from the mechanic from awhile ago, "They've really improved...but no one will buy them."

Hyundai at least has a better plan IMO...they say, we know our rep is crap, but we've improved and we're putting our money where our mouth is: Here's a huge warrentee. I haven't kept up, but I thought Hyundai was making slow but steady progress. Hell, I'm even considering buying one and my sister had a real pile that was a Hyundai.

They are totally screwed by their overhead (which of course, was the result of managements decisions) but they also had a lot of advantages being the incumbent with the "Buy America" image going on. The problem with American businesses lately is they seem to all be chasing the short term profits, then throwing up their hands in desperation when it bites them in the ass later on.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: BMdoobieW

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying ______ guys.

Sorry, the Mazda3s was clearly superior to the Cobalt. When it comes time for my next car, if GM makes the best car in the class, then I will buy a GM.

And Ford thanks you for your support.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.

my next car certainly won't be domestic. it'll either be honda or mazda. my last 3 domestic cars have been nothing but problems.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.

my next car certainly won't be domestic. it'll either be honda or mazda. my last 3 domestic cars have been nothing but problems.

See thedarkwolf's post above yours.

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Svnla
No one is disputed that GM and domestics are better than they used to be. But if you think all GM have to do is to cut costs will get them back to health, then I have some big mansions down here in the bayou that I can sell for you cheap.

Actually, in a nutshell, that's pretty much all they need to do. And it's pretty much impossible.

Sorry, I disagree and I am not alone. See my Fortune magazine link above and this quote from the article.

Quote:

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In all that GM is doing, there is a bleak awareness that no companies have ever turned around because of cost cutting alone. The essential partner is revenue growth--and as those losses in market share show, that has been the crucible for GM. In product design, it lost the magic long ago. "They need irresistibility and head-turners," says one car buff, "and they haven't had them."
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[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.

my next car certainly won't be domestic. it'll either be honda or mazda. my last 3 domestic cars have been nothing but problems.

Better not buy a Mazda then.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Svnla
No one is disputed that GM and domestics are better than they used to be. But if you think all GM have to do is to cut costs will get them back to health, then I have some big mansions down here in the bayou that I can sell for you cheap.

Actually, in a nutshell, that's pretty much all they need to do. And it's pretty much impossible.

Sorry, I disagree and I am not alone. See my Fortune magazine link above and this quote from the article.

Quote:

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In all that GM is doing, there is a bleak awareness that no companies have ever turned around because of cost cutting alone. The essential partner is revenue growth--and as those losses in market share show, that has been the crucible for GM. In product design, it lost the magic long ago. "They need irresistibility and head-turners," says one car buff, "and they haven't had them."
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We have already discussed why sales are still flat.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Svnla
No one is disputed that GM and domestics are better than they used to be. But if you think all GM have to do is to cut costs will get them back to health, then I have some big mansions down here in the bayou that I can sell for you cheap.

Actually, in a nutshell, that's pretty much all they need to do. And it's pretty much impossible.

Sorry, I disagree and I am not alone. See my Fortune magazine link above and this quote from the article.

Quote:

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In all that GM is doing, there is a bleak awareness that no companies have ever turned around because of cost cutting alone. The essential partner is revenue growth--and as those losses in market share show, that has been the crucible for GM. In product design, it lost the magic long ago. "They need irresistibility and head-turners," says one car buff, "and they haven't had them."
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They are trying with the Solstice, Sky, Z06, but you canot do too much when you don't have much money to develop new things.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.

hey If GM made a car as good as a toyota instead fo the garrbage they do produce...

and on top fo that killed the Trans Am and the Camaro.. studid fvcks...

yah keep building those 20 ton gas eating sloburbans... and taHOEs and that Fugly avalanche.. whomever is runnign GM has run the company into the ground..

+1

I am an avid GM guy but they don't have a single car (other than the corvette) that I'd even consider purchasing.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: Gillbot

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.

hey If GM made a car as good as a toyota instead fo the garrbage they do produce...

and on top fo that killed the Trans Am and the Camaro.. studid fvcks...

yah keep building those 20 ton gas eating sloburbans... and taHOEs and that Fugly avalanche.. whomever is runnign GM has run the company into the ground..

+1

I am an avid GM guy but they don't have a single car (other than the corvette) that I'd even consider purchasing.

GM has a few decent cars. The Cobalt and malibu and decent family beaters, the new buick lucerne is pretty nice, caddie has a few I would love to have CTS-V 🙂, and the Solstice and Sky are pretty sweet. The cobalt is a freakin BMW compared to the caviler.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.

my next car certainly won't be domestic. it'll either be honda or mazda. my last 3 domestic cars have been nothing but problems.

See thedarkwolf's post above yours.

okay? i know about the relationship between ford and mazda.

 

[kurt454]

GM trucks are the only thing I will buy from them. I haven't liked their car lineup for years.

 

[alent1234]

if GM cared about its customers and didn't cause the values of cars on the road to plummet, i'd consider buying one. Until that time, no way.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.

Somebody just revealed themselves as an idiot!! Thank you

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Svnla
Talk is cheap, bring evidences and here they are:

Big 3 market share dips to ALL TIME LOW


GM cars quality

From the article you posted:

In recent surveys, GM vehicles have been at least competitive in reliability with competing vehicles. The company has also improved the design and feel of the interiors in many, but not all, of its vehicles. Still, unless customers -- many of whom have become resistant to even trying a GM vehicle -- can be attracted into showrooms the improved quality will continue to go unnoticed, Kuhlman said.

Hmm... that certainly isn't backing up your statement that quality is subpar. In fact, I'm not sure what you are trying to say by pulling up articles that say the exact opposite of what you are trying to prove.

You still haven't answer my questions. If GM is doing so great in quality and gas milage, why they are losing BILLIONS and why their market share was the LOWEST in their history? LOL

that isn't a valid argument. not every consumer is rational in their decision making. some won't by a vehicle because the emblemn looks ugly...etc. there are MANY different reasons why people don't buy specific cars and MANY different reasons why GM is losing money.

 

[Chadder007]

The Best thing they could do.....Fire their Design team.

 

[bctbct]

Foreign car buyers will always consider their cars better than GM even when they are being towed to the dealership.

 

[Analog]

News said that taxies were ordered to help people get home who have company cars today... 🙁

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero
News said that taxies were ordered to help people get home who have company cars today... 🙁

It's been shown Americans don't need jobs anyway for a strong Economy.

 

[mrrman]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.

Well if they got their act together, this wouldnt happen. Ford will be next.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.

:laugh:

Like I give a sh!t. Build better fscking cars. Otherwise, its their own damn fault.

 

[iamwiz82]

My source in the Tech. Center says that there are a lot more taxis than the original story would lead you to believe is necessary.

🙁

 

[alareau]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
My source in the Tech. Center says that there are a lot more taxis than the original story would lead you to believe is necessary.

🙁

What exactly is the Tech. Center? Is it a R&D division of GM?

 

[Paulson]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
32% of american white collar jobs lost from GM since 2000.

Thanks for buying toyota guys.

:laugh:

Like I give a sh!t. Build better fscking cars. Otherwise, its their own damn fault.

What's wrong with their cars? My dad had an 88 buick park avenue with 238K on it before he got rid of it because of a leaky radiator.

My blazer has 177K on it and it still runs like it's new.

Also, everyone here seems to think domestic vehicles don't last long, which is plain stupidity. We have a dodge intrepid with 224K on it that has the original engine and transmission and nothing's really been touched under the hood except for a fuel pressure regulator and spark plugs/wires.