GM Suspends Work on Future Trucks to Focus on Cars

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
PWNED. :thumbsup:

BTW-Top Gear did a segment where the hosts were to fly to Africa, buy a car for $1500 or so and drive it across the country. Not one of them had a 4wd vehicle or a truck and none of the driving was on paved roads. All of them made it. It's a pretty amusing segment and really shows how useless SUVs really are for most people.

And I'm sure there were no water crossings and/or no rain/mud where they drove.

There actually was water crossings...but either way...using a Top Gear segment to argue a point is like taking something you saw on Fox News and arguing with it...they are both pure entertainment with little substance.

 

[mooncancook]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Largely incorrect? It's simple math. 2 cars at 30mpg = 1 SUV at 15mpg. And regardless, again, it's a matter of convenience - if you can afford it, you're free to do what you wish. Acura MDX seats 7.

equation is generally worse. 1 soccer mom + 2 kids in a 18mpg suv =3x people per distance so its like 54mpg if fairly comparing it to say a single person in a small car taking a trip alone. rarely do i see a prius with more than one person inside, and those get 42-44mpg. so you see how that works out.

The same soccer mom + 2 kids can fit just fine in a Honda Fit, according to your equation that would be 30x3 = 90mpg. 90mpg >>> 54 mpg

seriously missing the point.
sure you can do better, but the point is its not as bad as you'd think, let alone when so many are so self righteous about it. take a plane trip or two and well, the balance changes for any prius/fit owner big time for instance. its a certain hypocrisy.

Originally posted by: mooncancook-------------------------
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X2 4200 @2.64 w/ Ultra 120 | 2GB PDP 3200LLK C2-3-2-5 | Antec P180 w/ Phantom 500 PSU | eVGA 8800GTS-512 | Dell 2005FPW 1680x1050

HTPC:
AMD X2 4600 + 2GB DDR3200 | ATI X1900XT 512MB | Creative X-Fi Fatality | Vizio VX37L 1366x768
Nintendo Wii, DS
Sony PS3, PSP

anyways, how can you justify your constant spending on frivolous diversions like your htpc+ps3+psp wii ds two pc's when people are starving around the world eh? you are a jackass i guess. you think creating those items and everything that comes from it doesn't have carbon costs? lol

Sorry but you are a moron for calling me a jackass. I am not telling anybody how they should spend their money, just pointing out the weakness in your argument. If you cannot accept the fact that your logic is not perfect every time then just go calling ppl jackass coz that's going to cover it up and make you right.

I can tell you that I drive a V6 and my wife drives a supercharged, and the gas bill is hitting us and that makes me really want to get a Honda Fit which I never considered before. I don't have much against SUV except that I don't like to follow them as they block my views

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: mooncancook

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Largely incorrect? It's simple math. 2 cars at 30mpg = 1 SUV at 15mpg. And regardless, again, it's a matter of convenience - if you can afford it, you're free to do what you wish. Acura MDX seats 7.

equation is generally worse. 1 soccer mom + 2 kids in a 18mpg suv =3x people per distance so its like 54mpg if fairly comparing it to say a single person in a small car taking a trip alone. rarely do i see a prius with more than one person inside, and those get 42-44mpg. so you see how that works out.

The same soccer mom + 2 kids can fit just fine in a Honda Fit, according to your equation that would be 30x3 = 90mpg. 90mpg >>> 54 mpg

seriously missing the point.
sure you can do better, but the point is its not as bad as you'd think, let alone when so many are so self righteous about it. take a plane trip or two and well, the balance changes for any prius/fit owner big time for instance. its a certain hypocrisy.

Originally posted by: mooncancook-------------------------
Main PC:
X2 4200 @2.64 w/ Ultra 120 | 2GB PDP 3200LLK C2-3-2-5 | Antec P180 w/ Phantom 500 PSU | eVGA 8800GTS-512 | Dell 2005FPW 1680x1050

HTPC:
AMD X2 4600 + 2GB DDR3200 | ATI X1900XT 512MB | Creative X-Fi Fatality | Vizio VX37L 1366x768
Nintendo Wii, DS
Sony PS3, PSP

anyways, how can you justify your constant spending on frivolous diversions like your htpc+ps3+psp wii ds two pc's when people are starving around the world eh? you are a jackass i guess. you think creating those items and everything that comes from it doesn't have carbon costs? lol

Sorry but you are a moron for calling me a jackass. I am not telling anybody how they should spend their money, just pointing out the weakness in your argument. If you cannot accept the fact that your logic is not perfect every time then just go calling ppl jackass coz that's going to cover it up and make you right.

I can tell you that I drive a V6 and my wife drives a supercharged, and the gas bill is hitting us and that makes me really want to get a Honda Fit which I never considered before. I don't have much against SUV except that I don't like to follow them as they block my views

my logic was perfectly fine. you are the one that took it to mean something that it didn't. i never said suvs were the most efficient way to transport people, only that from a different perspective sometimes things aren't as bad as you'd think.

me calling you a jackass was just an example. if we are going to play the game of judge and demonize person x by frivolous expenditure and insufficient eco stinginess then well...many things can be fair game

 

[alphatarget1]

GM's volt will kick ass when it comes out, much sounder science than POS hybrid technologies, IMO.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
GM's volt will kick ass when it comes out, much sounder science than POS hybrid technologies, IMO.

The questions are can Toyota beat them to the punch and can GM make them somewhat affordable?

A few more years to see the answer....

 

[CPA]

So, when all of the SUVs are gone, are you neo-facists going to come after my V-8 Charger next? It gets same gas mileage as an SUV, no need for a V8 and is one of the largest sedans on the road - it would easily crush one of your precious Yaris'.

 

[Linux23]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
GM's volt will kick ass when it comes out, much sounder science than POS hybrid technologies, IMO.

Time will tell, my young padawan.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
GM's volt will kick ass when it comes out, much sounder science than POS hybrid technologies, IMO.

The questions are can Toyota beat them to the punch and can GM make them somewhat affordable?

A few more years to see the answer....

Toyota's hybrid is bad science compared to the volt, IMO.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Linux23

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
GM's volt will kick ass when it comes out, much sounder science than POS hybrid technologies, IMO.

Time will tell, my young padawan.

I don't think anyone in the right mind would think that a collapsed auto industry is good for America. I think GM is probably the strongest out of the Big 3 (or 2, since Canadians bought Chrysler). Their mild hybrid system is pretty smart too, none of this bloated toyota BS.

I'll laugh when toyota hybrid owners b!tch when they have to replace batteries.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: rh71
So what's going to happen with their test hydrogen vehicle Chevy Equinoxs?

The Equinox is a cross-over and not affected by anything that was mentioned in this article.

Amazing. The Equinox looks like a typical mid-size SUV. Not a small size like a CRV/RAV4 and not a large size like an Expedition. I'm pretty anal about SUV classifications. I don't know what makes a crossover anymore (uhh, Murano anyone?). Don't tell me a crossover is simply an SUV on a regular car chassis. Everything's a crossover these days then.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

During WW2, the country's industrial prowess was a big factor is defeating the bad guys. I wonder what will happen should there be another "world" war.

Amen, without our Willow Run plant cranking out the bombers, WWII may have lasted a lot longer/turned out differently. The Brits generally wouldn't fly during the day, leaving us to do the dirty work and take the most losses. And our traditional aircraft builders couldn't get their acts together to get their production numbers up to meet the replacements needed. WR changed over, tooled up, and was cranking out bombers in less than a year.

The questions are can Toyota beat them to the punch and can GM make them somewhat affordable?

A few more years to see the answer...

Actually, 2010 is looking pretty good at this point, IF we can get the battery supplier choice nailed down before the end of November (there are two competing technologies / companies we're evaluating). The "mules" have been out running at the Proving Grounds for some time now.

Finally, enough of this constant B.S. about Honda and Toyota "quality" being so superior. Toyota's having lots of problems and they know it, otherwise the much-vaunted TPS system wouldn't be undergoing such a major overhaul right now. (Note: I interact with Toyota engineers/mgmt. on a regular basis, so I do know what's up "over there").

Cadillac has been kicking butt for several years now, and all you have to do is check the latest J.D. Powers survey to see that Chevy is getting its act together too. Take a look at where the new Malibu is in the ratings, then look how far down the list until you find it's competitors, Camry and Accord. Not only is Malibu whooping their butts, when equally equipped, it comes out ahead in cost too. A totally loaded Malibu LTZ is about $2K cheaper and even has more "content" included. Not to mention the car has "soul", as compared to driving the sterile Camry or Accord. And in a case of imitation as flattery, the new Accord "borrows" an awful lot of styling from the 'Bu.

Yet Malibu is just the beginning of what's to come. I equate our situation to Intel's when AMD had the lead for a while. The "sleeping giant" has awoken and he's pissed off, big time. Thankfully Bob Lutz came along in time to provide the wakeup, armed with the best crop of designers (interior and exterior) the industry has seen since the the halcion days of Harley Earl and then Bill Mitchell.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: rh71
So what's going to happen with their test hydrogen vehicle Chevy Equinoxs?

The Equinox is a cross-over and not affected by anything that was mentioned in this article.

Amazing. The Equinox looks like a typical mid-size SUV. Not a small size like a CRV/RAV4 and not a large size like an Expedition. I'm pretty anal about SUV classifications. I don't know what makes a crossover anymore (uhh, Murano anyone?). Don't tell me a crossover is simply an SUV on a regular car chassis. Everything's a crossover these days then.

No...everything is not Crossover...specifically GM's Yukon, Tahoe, Suburban, Trailblazer, Envoy, etc....Ford's Expedition, Explorer, etc...Toyota Sequoia, Toyota 4Runner, etc. All of these have a body of frame just like a truck.

All "cute-ute's" are not body on frame like the RAV4, CRV, Equinox...as well as newer large SUV's like GM's Acadia, Ford Edge, BMW X5/X3, Mercedes ML/GL, Acura MDX/RDX, Toyota Highlander, etc. These are "crossovers".

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
good time to get a good deal on a truck...?

Actually...yes...

 

[archiloco]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: Chunkee
good time to get a good deal on a truck...?

Actually...yes...

he he i am 2 years too late 🙁