GM Suspends Work on Future Trucks to Focus on Cars

flxnimprtmscl

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Poor GM? They've been incredibly shortsighted for years and now it's biting them in the ass. They really don't deserve any sympathy. An I told you so, perhaps, but not sympathy.
 

Queasy

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At least they are reacting faster than they did during the oil crisis of the 70s.
 

Joemonkey

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Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Poor GM? They've been incredibly shortsighted for years and now it's biting them in the ass. They really don't deserve any sympathy. An I told you so, perhaps, but not sympathy.

You do realize there are a lot of jobs to be lost by doing this right?
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Poor GM? They've been incredibly shortsighted for years and now it's biting them in the ass. They really don't deserve any sympathy. An I told you so, perhaps, but not sympathy.

I have to agree. I remember when gas hit the high 2 to 3 dollar range and GM said they were stepping up production of trucks and SUVs while people keep asking why. Now that we have high 3 to 4 dollar gas they see whats going on.

Mind you its not MNGT's fault, no its those damm "lazy" union workers causing all of GMs problems. :roll:


 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Joemonkey
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Poor GM? They've been incredibly shortsighted for years and now it's biting them in the ass. They really don't deserve any sympathy. An I told you so, perhaps, but not sympathy.

You do realize there are a lot of jobs to be lost by doing this right?


You do realize there are a lot of jobs to be made by doing this right?


Does not matter what they sell as long as it sells. They could turn the factories into car makers instead of trucks.
GM MNGT is full of idiots and did not change over to good, cheap, and fuel sipping cars. They kept pushing trucks thinking cheap cars is for other car companies.
 

Mermaidman

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During WW2, the country's industrial prowess was a big factor is defeating the bad guys. I wonder what will happen should there be another "world" war. (Non-nukewlar of course :p )
 

rh71

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So what's going to happen with their test hydrogen vehicle Chevy Equinoxs?
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Poor GM? They've been incredibly shortsighted for years and now it's biting them in the ass. They really don't deserve any sympathy. An I told you so, perhaps, but not sympathy.

I have to agree. I remember when gas hit the high 2 to 3 dollar range and GM said they were stepping up production of trucks and SUVs while people keep asking why. Now that we have high 3 to 4 dollar gas they see whats going on.

Mind you its not MNGT's fault, no its those damm "lazy" union workers causing all of GMs problems. :roll:
Wait, we're blaming GM for producing cars people wanted? Blame the people, not the company.

All you have to do is watch Southpark - people were complaining about Wal*Mart and how they buy things from China, don't care about something or the other, etc. however they wouldn't stop shopping there. If people don't like what a company is doing, don't just talk about it, do something, quit purchasing those things you say they should stop.

When I say you, I don't mean you as a person, but just people in general.

Companies are simply providing what people want to purchase with the goal of pleasing shareholders. If people want a vehicle that uses a lot of fuel in a relative sense, then they will provide it. Companies owe themselves to shareholders, no one else. If being "green" is how they will increase shareholder value, they will do that, but it isn't a concern for any of these public companies outside of stock prices.
 

imported_Lothar

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Originally posted by: Joemonkey
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Poor GM? They've been incredibly shortsighted for years and now it's biting them in the ass. They really don't deserve any sympathy. An I told you so, perhaps, but not sympathy.

You do realize there are a lot of jobs to be lost by doing this right?


You do realize there are a lot of jobs to be lost by them NOT doing this right?
 

Ktulu

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Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Poor GM? They've been incredibly shortsighted for years and now it's biting them in the ass. They really don't deserve any sympathy. An I told you so, perhaps, but not sympathy.

They make more money off of trucks and SUV's than they currently to on cars. Cutting production is pretty much cutting into their profits which they sorely need. You can pretty much blame poor management and cut throat unions for all this mess.

/steps back and grabs Coke and popcorn
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975


You do realize there are a lot of jobs to be made by doing this right?


Does not matter what they sell as long as it sells. They could turn the factories into car makers instead of trucks.
GM MNGT is full of idiots and did not change over to good, cheap, and fuel sipping cars. They kept pushing trucks thinking cheap cars is for other car companies.

yeah, because building cars that honda and toyota don't make a $1000 of profit on is really going to help when GM is down $2500 per car to begin with due to labor costs. GM's product mix has for the last couple decades been dictated by the ridiculous pensions the union monopoly forced on GM. did they build shitty cars? yes. if they'd have built nice cars they would have lost even more money on them.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Poor GM? They've been incredibly shortsighted for years and now it's biting them in the ass. They really don't deserve any sympathy. An I told you so, perhaps, but not sympathy.

They make more money off of trucks and SUV's than they currently to on cars. Cutting production is pretty much cutting into their profits which they sorely need. You can pretty much blame poor management and cut throat unions for all this mess.

/steps back and grabs Coke and popcorn

They have no choice though. You can't sell something nobody wants, so for them to continue to manufacture these vehicles is just a huge money losing proposition.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Joemonkey
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Poor GM? They've been incredibly shortsighted for years and now it's biting them in the ass. They really don't deserve any sympathy. An I told you so, perhaps, but not sympathy.

You do realize there are a lot of jobs to be lost by doing this right?
It happens when the market adapts to changing conditions. If a company doesn't adapt, a LOT more jobs will be lost when that company goes completely out of business.


 

IGBT

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..another GroundHawg day for GM. They never developed "corner stone" vehicles like Toyota did decades ago. Nothing that compares with the tacoma or corolla. Like em or not Toyota stuck with those two corner stones and built a product line around them. Now they're running away with nearly all of US auto business.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: Joemonkey
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Poor GM? They've been incredibly shortsighted for years and now it's biting them in the ass. They really don't deserve any sympathy. An I told you so, perhaps, but not sympathy.

You do realize there are a lot of jobs to be lost by doing this right?

Who cares, there would be even more jobs lost when the company shuts down because they didn't make financially prudent decisions.

I think this is a great move by GM.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Poor GM? They've been incredibly shortsighted for years and now it's biting them in the ass. They really don't deserve any sympathy. An I told you so, perhaps, but not sympathy.

I have to agree. I remember when gas hit the high 2 to 3 dollar range and GM said they were stepping up production of trucks and SUVs while people keep asking why. Now that we have high 3 to 4 dollar gas they see whats going on.

Mind you its not MNGT's fault, no its those damm "lazy" union workers causing all of GMs problems. :roll:
Wait, we're blaming GM for producing cars people wanted? Blame the people, not the company.

All you have to do is watch Southpark - people were complaining about Wal*Mart and how they buy things from China, don't care about something or the other, etc. however they wouldn't stop shopping there. If people don't like what a company is doing, don't just talk about it, do something, quit purchasing those things you say they should stop.

When I say you, I don't mean you as a person, but just people in general.

Companies are simply providing what people want to purchase with the goal of pleasing shareholders. If people want a vehicle that uses a lot of fuel in a relative sense, then they will provide it. Companies owe themselves to shareholders, no one else. If being "green" is how they will increase shareholder value, they will do that, but it isn't a concern for any of these public companies outside of stock prices.


Whoa whoa whoa hold on here buddy if the people wanted them the cars would be sold.

They don't.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Whoa whoa whoa hold on here buddy if the people wanted them the cars would be sold.

They don't.
Sure, very recently, they haven't sold because of how high prices are, but the $2-3 dollar range is what was described, at which point they were still selling well.
 

Ilmater

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I blame GM for not trying to make things more energy-efficient in the first place. Sure, 6 years ago, every idiot wanted an SUV, and I always said, they guzzle way too much gas and nobody really needs them. But morons were buying them, imagining that there was some infinite well of oil that would never run dry, and GM made them cars. Well, GM and Ford and some others should have had the foresight to know that oil IS a finite resource, and started making more fuel-efficient SUVs. But they didn't. They focused on horsepower (how much HP does it take to get 3 10-year-olds to soccer practice?).

I'm 6'9", so for me to choose a car is difficult to say the least, but even though I'm one of the FEW that could justify getting an SUV, I can now count myself lucky I don't have one.

Am I the only one that just laughs at all the dumbfucks out there driving in SUVs they don't need? I just love it. I knew this was coming, and I've never been so right in my life. I have three cousins my age, and all three bought big SUVs they didn't need (well, my female cousin did, and the wives of the other two guys did as well). None of them haul anything or have kids, but the women all wanted them because:

- "It's SO hard to have to bend down to get a kid out of a car seat." (as if before the times of SUVs people just didn't bring kids at all because it was so hard)
- "I FEEL safer in an SUV." (as if they weren't the most unsafe cars on the road)

I told them all they were stupid, and just after gas went over $3 a gallon, they tried avoiding the inevitable "I told you so" whenever the family got together.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Whoa whoa whoa hold on here buddy if the people wanted them the cars would be sold.

They don't.
Sure, very recently, they haven't sold because of how high prices are, but the $2-3 dollar range is what was described, at which point they were still selling well.

Wait hold on a second here, most companies do a wonderful thing called long term projections and how outside forces will affect their sales.

The increase in oil price could have been seen 5 years ago, yet GM is only now reacting to this?

I'm sorry pal, businesses aren't purely reactionary.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: Ilmater
I blame GM for not trying to make things more energy-efficient in the first place. Sure, 6 years ago, every idiot wanted an SUV, and I always said, they guzzle way too much gas and nobody really needs them. But morons were buying them, imagining that there was some infinite well of oil that would never run dry, and GM made them cars. Well, GM and Ford and some others should have had the foresight to know that oil IS a finite resource, and started making more fuel-efficient SUVs. But they didn't. They focused on horsepower (how much HP does it take to get 3 10-year-olds to soccer practice?).

I'm 6'9", so for me to choose a car is difficult to say the least, but even though I'm one of the FEW that could justify getting an SUV, I can now count myself lucky I don't have one.

Am I the only one that just laughs at all the dumbfucks out there driving in SUVs they don't need? I just love it. I knew this was coming, and I've never been so right in my life. I have three cousins my age, and all three bought big SUVs they didn't need (well, my female cousin did, and the wives of the other two guys did as well). None of them haul anything or have kids, but the women all wanted them because:

- "It's SO hard to have to bend down to get a kid out of a car seat." (as if before the times of SUVs people just didn't bring kids at all because it was so hard)
- "I FEEL safer in an SUV." (as if they weren't the most unsafe cars on the road)

I told them all they were stupid, and just after gas went over $3 a gallon, they tried avoiding the inevitable "I told you so" whenever the family got together.

bolded to point out how much of a socialist you are.

 

Ktulu

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Poor GM? They've been incredibly shortsighted for years and now it's biting them in the ass. They really don't deserve any sympathy. An I told you so, perhaps, but not sympathy.

They make more money off of trucks and SUV's than they currently to on cars. Cutting production is pretty much cutting into their profits which they sorely need. You can pretty much blame poor management and cut throat unions for all this mess.

/steps back and grabs Coke and popcorn

They have no choice though. You can't sell something nobody wants, so for them to continue to manufacture these vehicles is just a huge money losing proposition.

That's the thing though, for the longest time they still sold like crazy even though people such as have been hating large vehicles for a long time. It's just been within the past few years that they've seen a sharp decline in consumer interest and they're adjusting accordingly. I don't see the need for some people to gloat and say "I told you so" when all they were doing was giving the people exactly what they wanted and making whatever profits they could.
 

Mermaidman

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Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Whoa whoa whoa hold on here buddy if the people wanted them the cars would be sold.

They don't.
Sure, very recently, they haven't sold because of how high prices are, but the $2-3 dollar range is what was described, at which point they were still selling well.

Wait hold on a second here, most companies do a wonderful thing called long term projections and how outside forces will affect their sales.

The increase in oil price could have been seen 5 years ago, yet GM is only now reacting to this?

I'm sorry pal, businesses aren't purely reactionary.
ORLY? @ bolded part

I venture that among respected people, few predicted $140/barrel oil by 2007. (Sure--Some people guessed correctly.) Why did Toyota, Honda, and Nissan invest $$$ in developing big trucks and SUVs? Because the demand was there.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Ilmater
I blame GM for not trying to make things more energy-efficient in the first place. Sure, 6 years ago, every idiot wanted an SUV, and I always said, they guzzle way too much gas and nobody really needs them. But morons were buying them, imagining that there was some infinite well of oil that would never run dry, and GM made them cars. Well, GM and Ford and some others should have had the foresight to know that oil IS a finite resource, and started making more fuel-efficient SUVs. But they didn't. They focused on horsepower (how much HP does it take to get 3 10-year-olds to soccer practice?).

I'm 6'9", so for me to choose a car is difficult to say the least, but even though I'm one of the FEW that could justify getting an SUV, I can now count myself lucky I don't have one.

Am I the only one that just laughs at all the dumbfucks out there driving in SUVs they don't need? I just love it. I knew this was coming, and I've never been so right in my life. I have three cousins my age, and all three bought big SUVs they didn't need (well, my female cousin did, and the wives of the other two guys did as well). None of them haul anything or have kids, but the women all wanted them because:

- "It's SO hard to have to bend down to get a kid out of a car seat." (as if before the times of SUVs people just didn't bring kids at all because it was so hard)
- "I FEEL safer in an SUV." (as if they weren't the most unsafe cars on the road)

I told them all they were stupid, and just after gas went over $3 a gallon, they tried avoiding the inevitable "I told you so" whenever the family got together.

bolded to point out how much of a socialist you are.
Do you have more to say other than placing a label? What's the issue?