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GM shuts down truck plants, considers cancelling Hummer

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Now maybe we can start moving forward as a country instead of allowing big oil to control our vehicle choices and destroy the earth. People are not buying fuel hogs anymore, are riding bikes, scooters and now electric vehicles scheduled to be sold by 2010. Without high fuel proces this would never have happened. People are pissed but in the end it is going to be a good thing for everyone - including the auto makers who are now being forced to innovate.

GM closes plants
 
Your an idiot Snatchface.

Big Oil as you call it has never controlled out vehicle choices. In fact, Big Oil has never made vehicles.

Sorry to rain on your emotionally charged parade with facts.
 
"You're"

And you're an idiot if you think GMs decision has nothing to do with people not buying their gas guzzlers anymore.
 
Originally posted by: Beev
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Your an idiot Snatchface.
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What's that saying? The ironing is delicious?
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Should you decide to use my responses in some legal fashion let me know, I might, MIGHt give a shit that I used your over you're.

Otherwise, the point was made well enough you understood it no?

Thought so.

your an idiot two.
 
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Big oil never controlled our vehicle choices. Our vehicle choices caused oil to be big.
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How dare you insinuate that we have any control over our own actions.
 
These auto manufacturers are fvcking stupid. Gas prices has been going up steadily for the past few years, and they still keep introducing big fvcking SUV's??? These are CEO's that make these decisions, yet the little guy suffers when they lose their jobs.

We have the technology, so give people the choice to buy electric only vehicles now regardless of the range. My commute is only 3 miles to the subway. I could bike if I wanted to, but I live in a bad area, so i'm not going to risk my life to save a few bucks.

Why do we have to wait until 2010 to get an all electric vehicle? What have they been doing for the past 5 years? Planning for more big SUV's?:roll:
 
Originally posted by: Linux23
These auto manufacturers are fvcking stupid. Gas prices has been going up steadily for the past few years, and they still keep introducing big fvcking SUV's??? These are CEO's that make these decisions, yet the little guy suffers when they lose their jobs.

We have the technology, so give people the choice to buy electric only vehicles now regardless of the range. My commute is only 3 miles to the subway. I could bike if I wanted to, but I live in a bad area, so i'm not going to risk my life to save a few bucks.

Why do we have to wait until 2010 to get an all electric vehicle? What have they been doing for the past 5 years? Planning for more big SUV's?:roll:
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It takes time to engineer, test, get approvals, re-tool plants, etc...
 
Originally posted by: Linux23
These auto manufacturers are fvcking stupid. Gas prices has been going up steadily for the past few years, and they still keep introducing big fvcking SUV's??? These are CEO's that make these decisions, yet the little guy suffers when they lose their jobs.

We have the technology, so give people the choice to buy electric only vehicles now regardless of the range. My commute is only 3 miles to the subway. I could bike if I wanted to, but I live in a bad area, so i'm not going to risk my life to save a few bucks.

Why do we have to wait until 2010 to get an all electric vehicle? What have they been doing for the past 5 years? Planning for more big SUV's?:roll:
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Yeah, it's automotive companies who are forcing us to demand big vehicles, people would never do that. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Snatchface
Now maybe we can start moving forward as a country instead of allowing big oil to control our vehicle choices and destroy the earth. People are not buying fuel hogs anymore, are riding bikes, scooters and now electric vehicles scheduled to be sold by 2010. Without high fuel proces this would never have happened. People are pissed but in the end it is going to be a good thing for everyone - including the auto makers who are now being forced to innovate.

GM closes plants
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Oh yes, this was the last roadblock for your vision to take hold. :disgust:
 
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: Linux23
These auto manufacturers are fvcking stupid. Gas prices has been going up steadily for the past few years, and they still keep introducing big fvcking SUV's??? These are CEO's that make these decisions, yet the little guy suffers when they lose their jobs.

We have the technology, so give people the choice to buy electric only vehicles now regardless of the range. My commute is only 3 miles to the subway. I could bike if I wanted to, but I live in a bad area, so i'm not going to risk my life to save a few bucks.

Why do we have to wait until 2010 to get an all electric vehicle? What have they been doing for the past 5 years? Planning for more big SUV's?:roll:
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It takes time to engineer, test, get approvals, re-tool plants, etc...
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Plus gas prices really only stated to rise steadily in 2005 and onward, not like GM or Ford wanted to dump billions into these projects only to have prices drop and be caught pissing into the wind.
 
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: Linux23
These auto manufacturers are fvcking stupid. Gas prices has been going up steadily for the past few years, and they still keep introducing big fvcking SUV's??? These are CEO's that make these decisions, yet the little guy suffers when they lose their jobs.

We have the technology, so give people the choice to buy electric only vehicles now regardless of the range. My commute is only 3 miles to the subway. I could bike if I wanted to, but I live in a bad area, so i'm not going to risk my life to save a few bucks.

Why do we have to wait until 2010 to get an all electric vehicle? What have they been doing for the past 5 years? Planning for more big SUV's?:roll:
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It takes time to engineer, test, get approvals, re-tool plants, etc...
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Bullshit.

Thats already been done. The problem is the truly viable option was regulated out of existance. Small diesels. Theres a reason they are so damn popular in Europe. There fun to drive, snappy, and get amazing milage. Hell, heres a diesel sports car

150+ MPH and 100+ MPG. Hell yeah sign me up!

But in our quest for clean air bullshit we decided to take an alternative to gas (Which was already cleaner to begin with!) and legislate it away. Fucking brilliant. And gas was cheap enough milage wasnt a big concern anyways.

As for electric there hasnt been enough market for it until now. People arent going to spend 10 or 20 thousand on a car that cant get them out of the city without dying. Its just not very reasonable.

The people didnt push hard enough for the manufacturers to really notice. 5 years ago people bought big new cars and milage be damned. If everyone had bought used Hondas getting 50 mpg then we may have had a shift in the cars on the lots.

Make no mistake, the consumer controls what is on the shelves or lots. If something wont sell it wont be made.
 
Originally posted by: Anubis
i wish we had europes diesels over here 🙁
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BINGO. See my post above.

The tech exists, right now, today. All that was needed was to lift it from Europe and apply it here.

You can thank the hippy clean air bullshit for blocking it.
 
Originally posted by: Anubis
i wish we had europes diesels over here 🙁
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Diesel cost anywhere from .50 to 1.00 more then reg. gas. So even with better milage it does nto save money, let alone the upfront cost as well.

Diesel here in N.VA is almost $5 a gallon at 2 places near me. Reg gas was $4.07 at the same gas station and $3.81 at costco.
 
Originally posted by: Linux23
These auto manufacturers are fvcking stupid. Gas prices has been going up steadily for the past few years, and they still keep introducing big fvcking SUV's??? These are CEO's that make these decisions, yet the little guy suffers when they lose their jobs.

We have the technology, so give people the choice to buy electric only vehicles now regardless of the range. My commute is only 3 miles to the subway. I could bike if I wanted to, but I live in a bad area, so i'm not going to risk my life to save a few bucks.

Why do we have to wait until 2010 to get an all electric vehicle? What have they been doing for the past 5 years? Planning for more big SUV's?:roll:
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What can I say... most people don't plan in advance far enough ahead. I know that when I sold my Audi and bought a MINI a year ago due to rising gas prices, people looked at my like I was from outer space. Hell... they were still buying new trucks and SUV's at the time! Now I look like a damn visionary less than a year later, and gas has only gone up a dollar since then.

I can only imagine how folks are going to overreact in the other direction once gas gets up to $5 a gallon! You'll probably be able to buy a used Hummer for half of it's recent KBB value by then.
 
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