GM launches 'Red Tag' program

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
word. I'm looking for a car either for this model year or next...I'm in no rush...but before the Fusion came out I wasn't even considering Ford....at least they're trying to change things up. GM's the same old garbage....although I did like the Grand-Am and Grand-Prix

this kind of stuff AMAZES me? how do you know ford is trying to change things up other than styling?

you say GM is the same old garbage and yet Consumer Reports says it's quality is very high.

weird.

so basically, are you basing your comments all on LOOKS only?

dont forget he has probably never sat in the following vehicles.

new Tahoe
new Escalade
new Yukon
new Impala
new Malibu
new Cobalt
new HHR
CTS
STS


now how many fords was that you listed?

you forgot

G6
Solstice
Sky
Aura
any of the new Buicks

g6 Coupe is SWEET. i test drove a g6 the other day and it was prety nice.

i like the new impala with the v8 also.

my point is, looks is so subjective. it really annoys me that people dismiss gm cars purely based on looks. and IMO many of the gm's are as good looking if not better than the camry's and accords that people end up buying.

Yes, people need to just go into the showrooms and actually try out these cars, they will be very surprised. Stopping going by what other people and biased publications say, they seriously don't know what they're talking about.

That'll never happen because they learn more reading a forum. 😉

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Accipiter22
word. I'm looking for a car either for this model year or next...I'm in no rush...but before the Fusion came out I wasn't even considering Ford....at least they're trying to change things up. GM's the same old garbage....although I did like the Grand-Am and Grand-Prix

this kind of stuff AMAZES me? how do you know ford is trying to change things up other than styling?

you say GM is the same old garbage and yet Consumer Reports says it's quality is very high.

weird.

so basically, are you basing your comments all on LOOKS only?

dont forget he has probably never sat in the following vehicles.

new Tahoe
new Escalade
new Yukon
new Impala
new Malibu
new Cobalt
new HHR
CTS
STS


now how many fords was that you listed?

you forgot

G6
Solstice
Sky
Aura
any of the new Buicks

g6 Coupe is SWEET. i test drove a g6 the other day and it was prety nice.

i like the new impala with the v8 also.

my point is, looks is so subjective. it really annoys me that people dismiss gm cars purely based on looks. and IMO many of the gm's are as good looking if not better than the camry's and accords that people end up buying.

Yes, people need to just go into the showrooms and actually try out these cars, they will be very surprised. Stopping going by what other people and biased publications say, they seriously don't know what they're talking about.

That'll never happen because they learn more reading a forum. 😉

an unbiased forum too i might add. 😉

 

[Chunkee]

dunno if this will help them

jC

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Chunkee
dunno if this will help them

jC

Who knows why they're doing it, they might just want people on the lots to see their products first hand instead of going by second-hand info.

 

[ai42]

The problem with the American auto industry is two reasons. 1. The hayday of the SUV/Trucks is over and it's never going to be as good as it once was. 2. They don't sell cool cars like this to Americans and I have no idea why not! Look at European/Japanese manufactuers who are doing quite well and they have mostly cars without 1/2 their product line being trucks/SUVs. And they release cool turbocharged enthusiest cars that people get excited about and the only American cars I can say that for is the Mustang and GTO. I would take a Focus ST over any Civic Si anyday.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: ai42
The problem with the American auto industry is two reasons. 1. The hayday of the SUV/Trucks is over and it's never going to be as good as it once was. 2. They don't sell cool cars like this to Americans and I have no idea why not! Look at European/Japanese manufactuers who are doing quite well and they have mostly cars without 1/2 their product line being trucks/SUVs. And they release cool turbocharged enthusiest cars that people get excited about and the only American cars I can say that for is the Mustang and GTO. I would take a Focus ST over any Civic Si anyday.

how is that car "cool"?

i don't perceive it as cool.

again and again i say it, yes, there are objective measures by which one can say, toyota and honda are better car manufacturers than the domestics, HOWEVER, the "cool" factor is NOT one of those objective measures. cool is whatever the he11 you want it to be.

look at how "cool" some chrysler products are deemed as being. no matter how "cool" a car is, quality control issues are the same. the chrysler that's so "cool" is no better quality control wise than the chrysler / dodge minivans.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: ai42
The problem with the American auto industry is two reasons. 1. The hayday of the SUV/Trucks is over and it's never going to be as good as it once was. 2. They don't sell cool cars like this to Americans and I have no idea why not! Look at European/Japanese manufactuers who are doing quite well and they have mostly cars without 1/2 their product line being trucks/SUVs. And they release cool turbocharged enthusiest cars that people get excited about and the only American cars I can say that for is the Mustang and GTO. I would take a Focus ST over any Civic Si anyday.

how is that car "cool"?

i don't perceive it as cool.

again and again i say it, yes, there are objective measures by which one can say, toyota and honda are better car manufacturers than the domestics, HOWEVER, the "cool" factor is NOT one of those objective measures. cool is whatever the he11 you want it to be.

look at how "cool" some chrysler products are deemed as being. no matter how "cool" a car is, quality control issues are the same. the chrysler that's so "cool" is no better quality control wise than the chrysler / dodge minivans.

ok, ai42.

the cool cars you mention that Japanese manufacturers bring over are??

RX8 (baddddddd reliability, it burns more oil than the exxon valdez did when it crashed)

now tell me what keeps Toyota afloat?

its the Camry and the Avalon.

cool cars huh.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: ai42
The problem with the American auto industry is two reasons. 1. The hayday of the SUV/Trucks is over and it's never going to be as good as it once was. 2. They don't sell cool cars like this to Americans and I have no idea why not! Look at European/Japanese manufactuers who are doing quite well and they have mostly cars without 1/2 their product line being trucks/SUVs. And they release cool turbocharged enthusiest cars that people get excited about and the only American cars I can say that for is the Mustang and GTO. I would take a Focus ST over any Civic Si anyday.

1. American manufacturer's do not only build trucks:disgust:

2. the Solstice/Sky isn't cool. Last i heard it was in high demand. How about the CTS-V, Z06, Viper, Cobalt SS Supercharged.

more disinformation.

 

[maddogchen]

Didn't they just have the employee discount thing two months ago? or am I thinking of the wrong company?

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Didn't they just have the employee discount thing two months ago? or am I thinking of the wrong company?

they did, but this price is about 3 grand higher on every car than the GMS price is.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Didn't they just have the employee discount thing two months ago? or am I thinking of the wrong company?

Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this discount scheme is based off of the supplier discount. Not that it makes a difference.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Didn't they just have the employee discount thing two months ago? or am I thinking of the wrong company?

Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this discount scheme is based off of the supplier discount. Not that it makes a difference.

it does make a difference, there is quite a large price difference, GMS is ABOUT 15% off msrp

Supplier discount im guessing is about 8% off.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Didn't they just have the employee discount thing two months ago? or am I thinking of the wrong company?

Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this discount scheme is based off of the supplier discount. Not that it makes a difference.

it does make a difference, there is quite a large price difference, GMS is ABOUT 15% off msrp

Supplier discount im guessing is about 8% off.

So then its 8% + any current incentives

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Didn't they just have the employee discount thing two months ago? or am I thinking of the wrong company?

Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this discount scheme is based off of the supplier discount. Not that it makes a difference.

it does make a difference, there is quite a large price difference, GMS is ABOUT 15% off msrp

Supplier discount im guessing is about 8% off.

So then its 8% + any current incentives

of which, i dont think there are ANY incentives out there right now.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: Ktulu

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Didn't they just have the employee discount thing two months ago? or am I thinking of the wrong company?

Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i think this discount scheme is based off of the supplier discount. Not that it makes a difference.

it does make a difference, there is quite a large price difference, GMS is ABOUT 15% off msrp

Supplier discount im guessing is about 8% off.

So then its 8% + any current incentives

of which, i dont think there are ANY incentives out there right now.

Actually there are, but very few. example

 

[atiyeh]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Wonder if that'll let me afford the GTO any time soon..

No, stick to your camaro.

Signed
GTOLover

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: ai42
The problem with the American auto industry is two reasons. 1. The hayday of the SUV/Trucks is over and it's never going to be as good as it once was. 2. They don't sell cool cars like this to Americans and I have no idea why not! Look at European/Japanese manufactuers who are doing quite well and they have mostly cars without 1/2 their product line being trucks/SUVs. And they release cool turbocharged enthusiest cars that people get excited about and the only American cars I can say that for is the Mustang and GTO. I would take a Focus ST over any Civic Si anyday.

Half of Toyotas product line is trucks and SUVs and they don't make anything cool.