GM investing in China to $11 billion/6,000 jobs and begin to export to U.S.

[Theb]

I love lamp.

 

[Matt1970]

And that's fine. I've owned plenty of American cars before (1997 Saturn SL 2, 1994 Ford Escort wagon, etc), but they've been totally out of sync from what I was looking for the last 10-15 years or so. When the American makers were in their SUV heyday they sometimes didn't have a single model I'd consider. For example, with my last purchase the GM option was a complete joke (Chevy Aveo, what a piece of shit)

What exactly were you expecting this to be?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Well sure, as long as nothing made overseas ever comes back to the US. Nothing like that has ever happened before......

Thanks, I forgot. This is P&N where we can just speculate and make-up stuff and post it as fact here.

 

[Matt1970]

Thanks, I forgot. This is P&N where we can just speculate and make-up stuff and post it as fact here.

Right, like none of the big 3 sell cars in the US that were made in Canada and Mexico. P&N is also the place where jamming heads up asses seems to give a birds-eye view for most.

 

[glenn1]

Dammit glenn1 I expected more of you.


Indeed. F150 FTW.

F150 is a pickup truck, not a car. And if I were in the market for a truck or SUV then GM might be an option.

Thanks, I forgot. This is P&N where we can just speculate and make-up stuff and post it as fact here.

The second article addresses the exports. Here's another, obviously the factories are not yet built so the exports aren't happening at the moment but GM wouldn't be floating this trial balloon if it was otherwise.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/04/20/gm-china-president-says-automaker-could-export-vehicles-from-chi/

 

[Engineer]

F150 is a pickup truck, not a car. And if I were in the market for a truck or SUV then GM might be an option.




The second article addresses the exports. Here's another, obviously the factories are not yet built so the exports aren't happening at the moment but GM wouldn't be floating this trial balloon if it was otherwise.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/04/20/gm-china-president-says-automaker-could-export-vehicles-from-chi/

"Could happen".

"If" that were to happen, I'll be the first on here to roast the living shit out of them and will vow to never buy another GM again. We will see how this plays out......

 

[Capt Caveman]

Right, like none of the big 3 sell cars in the US that were made in Canada and Mexico. P&N is also the place where jamming heads up asses seems to give a birds-eye view for most.

You're bringing up these plants in North America? Seriously?

When a Ford vehicle gets imported into the US from their Thailand plant, let us know. Oh wait, I just gave the OP another thread title to start.

 

[railer]

Anyone who uses the term "government motors" is a god damned idiot, and their thoughts aren't worth knowing, IMO.

 

[Matt1970]

You're bringing up these plants in North America? Seriously?

When a Ford vehicle gets imported into the US from their Thailand plant, let us know. Oh wait, I just gave the OP another thread title to start.

Last time I check the US isn't all of North America. Big difference between made in Mexico or Canada vs Thailand?

 

[glenn1]

"Could happen".

"If" that were to happen, I'll be the first on here to roast the living shit out of them and will vow to never buy another GM again. We will see how this plays out......

The Chevy Spark is already imported from Korea by GM's Daewoo subsidiary, who builds 25% of GM vehicles worldwide. So you're cool if GM imports from one Asian country, but will never buy from them again if they import from a neighboring country?

 

[Engineer]

The Chevy Spark is already imported from Korea by GM's Daewoo subsidiary, who builds 25% of GM vehicles worldwide. So you're cool if GM imports from one Asian country, but will never buy from them again if they import from a neighboring country?

No, I was unaware of it and am not cool with it. It is very nice of you to state that I'm "cool" with something that I didn't know about (I've never heard of a 'Chevy Spark' until just now). I'm also more "uncool" with those that actually close down production here and send it aboard. Since GM is closing factories here and importing from other countries, that qualifies them to be on the shit list. I can guarantee you that I won't buy a GM for my next car purchase and the car that I buy WILL be made in the US (all of them I have ever bought have been anyway so nothing new there) and it doesn't have to be a domestically based manufacturer (GM, Ford, etc). I'm fine buying from foreign automakers that build the car here.

 

[Ryan]

Here is the difference - GM never moved US production overseas to build these cars. Gm has been using Asian car companies to build subcompacts for 25 years.

Remember the Geo Metro? It was originally a Suzuki model. GM used to own a stake in the company.

The Chevy Aveo was a Daewoo that they imported until 2002. Guess what? After the next generation was developed by Daewoo in 2012, GM MOVED US PRODUCTION TO MICHIGAN (Currently marketed as the Chevy Sonic). You guys should see this as a good thing.

 

[michal1980]

Anyone who uses the term "government motors" is a god damned idiot, and their thoughts aren't worth knowing, IMO.

neither are the thoughts of the people that deny government motors exists.

 

[soulcougher73]

How would having no GM at all work out? This whole "government motors" rant is old and tired.

It would work out fine for me. I care less if they cant float their own boat.

 

[brycejones]

An American company opening production in China is all the proof you need, but if you must have plant for plant comparison.

JANESVILLE, WI http://gazettextra.com/news/specialsections/gm/

G.M. Designates 14 Plants for Closing 2009 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/business/02union.html?_r=0

The big 3 have been closing plants here for decades pal. where have you been?

WOW, so you really can't support your position and post a 4 year old story. That's pretty bad. Pal.....

So again, I ask you what US plants are being closed now and the work moved to china where those cars that were made in the US will now be imported from China to the US? Is it really that hard of a question to grasp?

 

[Spungo]

GM opens new plants in China because Chinese buy GM cars.

GM closes plants in the USA because you haters don't buy GM cars.

Makes sense. They've been making Chinese quality cars for the last 40 years so moving to China just seems like a natural move.

 

[werepossum]

Right, like none of the big 3 sell cars in the US that were made in Canada and Mexico. P&N is also the place where jamming heads up asses seems to give a birds-eye view for most.

LOL +1

F150 is a pickup truck, not a car. And if I were in the market for a truck or SUV then GM might be an option.

The second article addresses the exports. Here's another, obviously the factories are not yet built so the exports aren't happening at the moment but GM wouldn't be floating this trial balloon if it was otherwise.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/04/20/gm-china-president-says-automaker-could-export-vehicles-from-chi/

It is inevitable that Chinese-built cars will be imported back into the USA. Already many parts and assemblies are produced in China and shipped here. Virtually every out-sourced manufacturer who built a plant in China started by saying it would not replace US plants, merely supplement them for the Chinese market. In reality, the Chinese plants don't replace US plants until they are capable of doing so, at which point they do.

No, I was unaware of it and am not cool with it. It is very nice of you to state that I'm "cool" with something that I didn't know about (I've never heard of a 'Chevy Spark' until just now). I'm also more "uncool" with those that actually close down production here and send it aboard. Since GM is closing factories here and importing from other countries, that qualifies them to be on the shit list. I can guarantee you that I won't buy a GM for my next car purchase and the car that I buy WILL be made in the US (all of them I have ever bought have been anyway so nothing new there) and it doesn't have to be a domestically based manufacturer (GM, Ford, etc). I'm fine buying from foreign automakers that build the car here.

I've sworn off Government Motors and at the moment I'm a Ford guy, but if I can find a suitable foreign make with higher domestic content I'll buy that as I prefer the manufacturing jobs to the CEO jobs.

 

[Ryan]

LOL +1


It is inevitable that Chinese-built cars will be imported back into the USA. Already many parts and assemblies are produced in China and shipped here. Virtually every out-sourced manufacturer who built a plant in China started by saying it would not replace US plants, merely supplement them for the Chinese market. In reality, the Chinese plants don't replace US plants until they are capable of doing so, at which point they do.


I've sworn off Government Motors and at the moment I'm a Ford guy, but if I can find a suitable foreign make with higher domestic content I'll buy that as I prefer the manufacturing jobs to the CEO jobs.

You know ford imports cars to the US too....From Craiova, Romania (Transit Work Van).....just sayin.....

 

[werepossum]

You know ford imports cars to the US too....From Craiova, Romania (Transit Work Van).....just sayin.....

Yes, I know that. The reason we bought our Ranger with a five speed rather than an automatic was that the automatic was imported from France. Beyond that, most inexpensive small cars are imported, because it's very difficult to compete at the low end with American labor. And I'm totally capable of being pragmatic; I've bought three Chevy Trackers (all rebadged Suzukis, one built in Japan and two built in Canada) because there are no American-built 30 MPG 4WD convertibles. I like Jeeps and in 1997 they were the same price, but I'm not buying a four-seater four-banger that gets 14/17 MPG and is driven 99% of the time on the street. Even if it's American-made, there's no excuse for that.

 

[Engineer]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...bout-16-billon-in-u-s-by-2016.html?cmpid=yhoo

 

[Jimzz]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...bout-16-billon-in-u-s-by-2016.html?cmpid=yhoo

GM “was in China long before the economic meltdown of 2008-2009, and not one dollar of U.S. taxpayer rescue money was spent on our operations there,” Bingol said in the letter. “Our Chinese joint ventures are self-funding, meaning we require funds spent there to be generated there.”

 

[WackyDan]

China places a hefty tariff on any vehicle imported into China. That is all you need to know in regard to why they are and have been manufacturing US brands there.

Nothing to see here.