GM getting ready to spend BIG on new product onslaught

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http://www.businessweek.com/bw.../db20091014_213246.htm

General Motors may be loosening the purse strings. After living through austerity over the past couple of years, GM aims to add 7 to 10 new vehicles to its current product plan. Management thinks it will need those models to hit revenue and profit targets.

CEO Frederick A. "Fritz" Henderson and Vice-Chairman Robert A. Lutz have been putting pressure on the company to develop more new models and get them to market faster. At the same time, GM's new board has also questioned whether the company can satisfy revenue and market-share targets without additional new products. It's not hard to see why: While GM is launching several new models in 2009, the pace will slow down over the next couple of years unless further models are developed.

By pushing hard now, says James N. Hall, principal of 2953 Analytics, a Detroit-area consulting firm, GM "could end up bringing some of these cars out just as the market turns around." The question is whether GM has the people and the resources to pull this off.
Profit Point: An 18.5% Market Share

Late last summer, the board asked Henderson and Lutz if GM's product plan was adequate. Some directors had read a report from Bank of America Merrill Lynch (BAC) that said GM would replace only 45% of its sales volume with new models from 2010 to 2013. Among GM's major competitors, only Chrysler (FIA.MI) was replacing models at a lower rate.

The Merrill report went on to predict that unless GM ramped up its product pipeline, the company's U.S. market share would tumble from 19.5% today to as low as 15%. GM has told representatives of the U.S. government, which now owns 60% of the company, that it would start making money with an 18.5% share in a market that sells 10 million cars. Henderson said in a September interview that GM is replacing its models at a higher rate than the report says because newer models are already selling at higher levels than some of the comparable cars they are replacing. He also told BusinessWeek he needed to educate the new directors, none of whom have worked in the car business, on how long it takes to engineer models.

Whether pressured by the board or his own targets, Henderson wants the company to get cracking on a range of new models. Some of the cars were canceled or delayed over the past year and others will be additions to the plan. Among the possibilities: small, stylish youth cars for Chevrolet; a production version of the Cadillac Converj concept car, which runs on the same electric drive system as the Chevrolet Volt; more GMC crossover SUVs, including a boxy model that would compete with Toyota's (TM) Scion xB and Nissan's (NSANY) Cube; and new Buicks that could do double duty in the Chinese and American markets.
Still Shedding White-Collar Jobs

None of this will be easy. GM has drastically cut its new-product budget. One insider says the company has dropped its budget this year down to $3 billion to develop new vehicles. That's a far cry from the $8.5 billion GM spent on average during the previous decade. Indeed, it's about what Chrysler spent during the tight-fisted reign of former owner Cerberus Capital Management.

But GM is decidedly ramping up spending on new cars. Adding as many as 10 new models over the next five years could cost more than $5 billion. GM has been burning cash this year but its balance sheet is now beefed up. The company has access to as much as $33.3 billion in government money, on top of the initial $19.4 billion borrowed before bankruptcy. GM staffers worry that the design and engineering staff will be hard-pressed to gear up development of a half-dozen new models. After all, GM has shed 5,400 white-collar staffers this year and another 1,300 jobs are targeted by yearend.

Assuming GM has the resources to pull this off, the investment makes sense. While convincing consumers to look at the company's brands remains a challenge, Lutz told reporters on Oct. 14 that GM's new cars are selling for $31,800 on average, about $6,000 more than they did last year. Says Hall: "They understand that they have to spend to get sales."

So, GM is spending lots of our tax dollars to launch new product... Hopefully they do go public next year when they claim, and begin making more profit to repay the loans...

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

So, GM is spending lots of our tax dollars to launch new product... Hopefully they do go public next year when they claim, and begin making more profit to repay the loans...

Without jobs who do you and them expect to be able to buy these new models??? :confused:
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

So, GM is spending lots of our tax dollars to launch new product... Hopefully they do go public next year when they claim, and begin making more profit to repay the loans...

Without jobs who do you and them expect to be able to buy these new models??? :confused:

uh well... since the savior n chief is in office, we all know our economy problems are behind us, he will get jobs back!

It's not like their new product is going to make them bigger than they were... they are just filling out there portfolio along with replacing the older models...

also, Edmunds is reporting that at current sales trends, GM is poised to have a 22% market share in october, which is well above their current marketshare, because of their new products.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

uh well... since the savior n chief is in office, we all know our economy problems are behind us, he will get jobs back!

It's not like their new product is going to make them bigger than they were... they are just filling out there portfolio along with replacing the older models...

also, Edmunds is reporting that at current sales trends, GM is poised to have a 22% market share in october, which is well above their current marketshare, because of their new products.

Jobs doing what? We've shipped everything to China.

How is GM's sales up 22%, who has the money to buy that many cars?
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

uh well... since the savior n chief is in office, we all know our economy problems are behind us, he will get jobs back!

It's not like their new product is going to make them bigger than they were... they are just filling out there portfolio along with replacing the older models...

also, Edmunds is reporting that at current sales trends, GM is poised to have a 22% market share in october, which is well above their current marketshare, because of their new products.

Jobs doing what? We've shipped everything to China.

How is GM's sales up 22%, who has the money to buy that many cars?

uh... those that are NOT buying Toyota, Chrysler, Lexus, etc... because GM's new products (aka Equinox, Terrain, Lacrosse, CTS-Wagon, SRX) are HUGE hits....
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

uh well... since the savior n chief is in office, we all know our economy problems are behind us, he will get jobs back!

It's not like their new product is going to make them bigger than they were... they are just filling out there portfolio along with replacing the older models...

also, Edmunds is reporting that at current sales trends, GM is poised to have a 22% market share in october, which is well above their current marketshare, because of their new products.

Jobs doing what? We've shipped everything to China.

How is GM's sales up 22%, who has the money to buy that many cars?

uh... those that are NOT buying Toyota, Chrysler, Lexus, etc... because GM's new products (aka Equinox, Terrain, Lacrosse, CTS-Wagon, SRX) are HUGE hits....

Huge hits with who?
 

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

uh well... since the savior n chief is in office, we all know our economy problems are behind us, he will get jobs back!

It's not like their new product is going to make them bigger than they were... they are just filling out there portfolio along with replacing the older models...

also, Edmunds is reporting that at current sales trends, GM is poised to have a 22% market share in october, which is well above their current marketshare, because of their new products.

Jobs doing what? We've shipped everything to China.

How is GM's sales up 22%, who has the money to buy that many cars?

uh... those that are NOT buying Toyota, Chrysler, Lexus, etc... because GM's new products (aka Equinox, Terrain, Lacrosse, CTS-Wagon, SRX) are HUGE hits....
Remember who you're talking to here. Dmcowen674 lives in a world beyond our world.

 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

uh well... since the savior n chief is in office, we all know our economy problems are behind us, he will get jobs back!

It's not like their new product is going to make them bigger than they were... they are just filling out there portfolio along with replacing the older models...

also, Edmunds is reporting that at current sales trends, GM is poised to have a 22% market share in october, which is well above their current marketshare, because of their new products.

Jobs doing what? We've shipped everything to China.

How is GM's sales up 22%, who has the money to buy that many cars?

uh... those that are NOT buying Toyota, Chrysler, Lexus, etc... because GM's new products (aka Equinox, Terrain, Lacrosse, CTS-Wagon, SRX) are HUGE hits....

Huge hits with who?

are you trying to bait me, to get me banned, or are you just ignorant and dont like to research what you are talking about?
 

GroundedSailor

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GM has been making really great cars for some time now. Its public perception that is holding back better sales.

 

waggy

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
GM has been making really great cars for some time now. Its public perception that is holding back better sales.

public perception has really hurt US auto sales for a while. TO many still think that they suck adn jap cars are far better. when in reality they are even. Some reports even have US cars as more reliable.


but i will be shocked if they actually have 22% of the market share.
 

boomerang

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
How is GM's sales up 22%, who has the money to buy that many cars?
Everyone but you evidently. It's easy to have a glass half full attitude (I'm known for it myself) but the majority of people in this country are still working.

Additionally, it's not sales up 22%, it's 22% market share. That's up and it's a good number. IIRC, they based their recovery as being sustainable on 20% market share.

You're really the life of the party, you know?

Edit: I've not seen this in print, but my feeling is that a successful IPO would enable them to pay back the taxpayers very quickly. I think this may very well have been the plan all along. Like I said, this is me conjecturing. The numbers may not even add up - I don't know.
 

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I doubt an IPO would really do it. Between GM and Chrysler, they took over 108 billion dollars in government money.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
GM has been making really great cars for some time now. Its public perception that is holding back better sales.

public perception has really hurt US auto sales for a while. TO many still think that they suck adn jap cars are far better. when in reality they are even. Some reports even have US cars as more reliable.


but i will be shocked if they actually have 22% of the market share.

/thread


the top brands that i would look at would be honda/acura, ford, gm

toyota makes grandpa cars (lol new buick)
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
GM has been making really great cars for some time now. Its public perception that is holding back better sales.

public perception has really hurt US auto sales for a while. TO many still think that they suck adn jap cars are far better. when in reality they are even. Some reports even have US cars as more reliable.


but i will be shocked if they actually have 22% of the market share.

I would argue they are better than Jap cars now, and have a cheaper TCO.

Toyota, in particular, is nowhere near as good as its reputation.


 

Viper GTS

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GM has some great stuff right now. Every single one of my "next car" musings is a GM product:

C6 Corvette/Z06
CTS-V (Build a wagon - Please?)

And for the days when I think that my desire for fast cars is going to kill me the GMC Terrain is pretty awesome looking.

Too bad the rest of the car-buying public hasn't caught on to the good stuff they're putting out, enthusiasts alone can't save them.

Viper GTS
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Viper GTS
GM has some great stuff right now. Every single one of my "next car" musings is a GM product:

C6 Corvette/Z06
CTS-V (Build a wagon - Please?)

And for the days when I think that my desire for fast cars is going to kill me the GMC Terrain is pretty awesome looking.

Too bad the rest of the car-buying public hasn't caught on to the good stuff they're putting out, enthusiasts alone can't save them.

Viper GTS

Keep guzzling that sand thug shit.
 

Kirby

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
GM has some great stuff right now. Every single one of my "next car" musings is a GM product:

C6 Corvette/Z06
CTS-V (Build a wagon - Please?)

And for the days when I think that my desire for fast cars is going to kill me the GMC Terrain is pretty awesome looking.

Too bad the rest of the car-buying public hasn't caught on to the good stuff they're putting out, enthusiasts alone can't save them.

Viper GTS

Keep guzzling that sand thug shit.

What do you drive?
 

Elfear

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
GM has some great stuff right now. Every single one of my "next car" musings is a GM product:

C6 Corvette/Z06
CTS-V (Build a wagon - Please?)

And for the days when I think that my desire for fast cars is going to kill me the GMC Terrain is pretty awesome looking.

Too bad the rest of the car-buying public hasn't caught on to the good stuff they're putting out, enthusiasts alone can't save them.

Viper GTS

Keep guzzling that sand thug shit.

Try driving something with a little soul and get back with us. And no the Smart4Two would not qualify.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

So, GM is spending lots of our tax dollars to launch new product... Hopefully they do go public next year when they claim, and begin making more profit to repay the loans...

Without jobs who do you and them expect to be able to buy these new models??? :confused:

Green jobs obviously!
 

RU482

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how does a manufacturer that just shed 3 brands expect to maintain market share?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
GM has been making really great cars for some time now. Its public perception that is holding back better sales.

public perception has really hurt US auto sales for a while. TO many still think that they suck adn jap cars are far better. when in reality they are even. Some reports even have US cars as more reliable.


but i will be shocked if they actually have 22% of the market share.

I would argue they are better than Jap cars now, and have a cheaper TCO.

Toyota, in particular, is nowhere near as good as its reputation.

i would say honda is below its reputation also. While the cost of new honda's are not to bad but the cost of USED honda's are insane.
 

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Originally posted by: RU482
how does a manufacturer that just shed 3 brands expect to maintain market share?

With exceptionally good products.

Also isn't buick pretty big in china? If they can position themselves to be a luxury / top tier brand over there they'll do well if the chinese car market continues to take off.