GM Food - Seeds of Deception by Jeffrey Smith

[ShawnD1]

Also, what the hell are you talking about incorporating other DNA into our own. Do you have any idea how digestion works?

It works by combining my dna with plant dna :awe:


Also, this guy's article is pretty cool
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019?popular=true

Some supporters of organic growing claim that the danger of non-organic food lies in the residues of chemical pesticides. This claim is even more ridiculous: Since the organic pesticides and fungicides are less efficient than their modern synthetic counterparts, up to seven times as much of it must be used. Organic pesticides include rotenone, which has been shown to cause the symptoms of Parkinson's Disease and is a natural poison used in hunting by some native tribes; pyrethrum, which is carcinogenic; sabadilla, which is highly toxic to honeybees; and fermented urine, which I don't want on my food whether it causes any diseases or not. Supporters of organics claim that the much larger amounts of chemicals they use is OK because those chemicals are all-natural. But just because something is natural doesn't mean that it's safe or healthy — consider the examples of hemlock, mercury, lead, toadstools, box jellyfish neurotoxin, asbestos — not to mention a nearly infinite number of toxic bacteria and viruses (E. coli, salmonella, bubonic plague, smallpox). When you hear any product claim to be healthy because its ingredients are all natural, be skeptical. By no definition can "all natural" mean that a product is healthful.

This guy nails it. Efficacy is everything. Instead of dumping large amounts of shit (literally) on plants and hoping they grow, why not throw a handful of ammonia-based fertilize on them? Genetic crops go a step farther and naturally grow faster or resist cold weather without needing to be sprayed with chemicals.

That means on a pound for pound basis, genetically engineered crops sprayed with weird stuff will have less pesticide or herbicide on them.

 

[DrPizza]

I understand. But its not just GM. Unless you buy local and organic, youre almost guaranteed to get...well, something similar. Walmart, of all places, is actually responding to the public's desire for healthy, organic food. They carry a number of natural organics from sometimes local producers. They even have range free chicken eggs (their brand). You just have to shop around. Alot of times the lines of who manufatures what gets very convoluted, unfortunately. For example, despite branding, most people dont realize wherever they buy their beef from, there is less than about a 25% chance it DIDNT come from IBP, part of Tyson. Its terrible. Anyway. If you havent seen the movie in my link, I think you would enjoy it.

"organic" is little more than a marketing scam, convincing people it's better for them. And, a significant portion of organic food is imported (I'm going to guess that Walmart is one of the importers) from... China. Yeah, we all know how that goes.

Also, watch this video. And also, you believe that "organic" foods from China are organic? Bahahahaha! BAAAHHAhahahaha!
http://www.beunyted.com/forum/topics/whole-foods-organic-food?xg_source=activity

edit: well, that took all of 10 seconds of searching...

“[USDA] found multiple noncompliances of the federal organic standards, [including] the failure of one certifying agent to hire Chinese inspectors that are adequately familiar with the USDA organic standards, and the failure by another organic certifying agent to provide a written and translated copy of the USDA organic standards to all clients applying for certification. This raises serious concerns about whether foods grown organically in China follow the same USDA organic standards with which we require American farmers to comply.”

http://www.billingsnews.com/index.p...ds&catid=82:conversation-quarterly&Itemid=112

edit: re-read and noted you said "local" - you're right. Local will often taste better. But it doesn't have to be organic certified. Most people won't even go to the bother. Hell, the Amish around here grow a ton of awesome vegetables. They're not certified "organic."

 

[Nemesis 1]

Genetically Modified foods also create:
hypoallergenic foods
reduce toxicity
fight Antibiotic Resistant Diseases
Fix Nutritional Problems
Grow quicker
require less water
require less pesticides
require less fungicides
grow in more environments
etc.

Ok simple easy test. Go buy a piece of White pine at lumber store.

Than find house built of old stand white pine . Than check weight of both pieces than do strength test . Perform any test you want . The New fast growth wood is inferior .

It almost sounds like some here care about starvation in the world(cough) .

Don't eat 2x what you require than you piglets. But these will be the same people backing fuel from corn . Would that corn not be better served on the dinner plate . I see way to much teeter tootering here. Fat over weight americans wanting Monsantos poison . LOL. Than saying it helps to feed the starving. Just so much wrong with this line of thinking were to begin. Show were the starving are being feed.

 

[lothar]

I understand. But its not just GM. Unless you buy local and organic, youre almost guaranteed to get...well, something similar. Walmart, of all places, is actually responding to the public's desire for healthy, organic food. They carry a number of natural organics from sometimes local producers. They even have range free chicken eggs (their brand). You just have to shop around. Alot of times the lines of who manufatures what gets very convoluted, unfortunately. For example, despite branding, most people dont realize wherever they buy their beef from, there is less than about a 25% chance it DIDNT come from IBP, part of Tyson. Its terrible. Anyway. If you havent seen the movie in my link, I think you would enjoy it.

"Organic" is a scam.
"free range" or "range free" is a scam.

I'm not sure why you're wasting your money.

 

[Nemesis 1]

We get our eggs and poultry from 100% natural growth. I get my milk from cows that are natural feed and My wife just got an old butter chernner to produce our own butter. We buy are beef /pork and than have butchered . Everthing were doing now is about return to natural . I am replacing much of the foods in our shelter with natural grown products. Thats a personnel choice we made . I have 2,000 gallons of diesel foul to power our three generators . I just got my garage done using radiant floor heating . It is so good . I am now replacing heating in our shelter.
You can call organic a scam . But if people want organic that their business . Same as you have right to your Better than nature can make additives. You have that right.

 

[Matthiasa]

Ok simple easy test. Go buy a piece of White pine at lumber store.

Than find house built of old stand white pine . Than check weight of both pieces than do strength test . Perform any test you want . The New fast growth wood is inferior .

It almost sounds like some here care about starvation in the world(cough) .

Don't eat 2x what you require than you piglets. But these will be the same people backing fuel from corn . Would that corn not be better served on the dinner plate . I see way to much teeter tootering here. Fat over weight americans wanting Monsantos poison . LOL. Than saying it helps to feed the starving. Just so much wrong with this line of thinking were to begin. Show were the starving are being feed.

Eh was going to post a real comment but that logic is so flawed I'm not even sure where to begin...
Basicly we are talking about food here not wood. Current trees used for lumber at lumber farms grows faster because of selective breading not genetic alterations. Faster growing food means it is quicker at producing say x ears of corn where x is higher the the initial amount per given time n. X still has the same nutritional value and n per individual ear of corn, meaning it is better able feed animals including people.
Oh and in case you missed it there are starving Americans, and people of other countries as well. You can still be fat and still die of malnutrition.
Oh and the starving being feed, how about 3rd world nations through the UN food program.

In truth all processed and most unprocessed consumables contains gm or selectively bread crops.

There are more things to be said, propaganda runs to rampant in these parts for it to be worth while.

 

[blackangst1]

"organic" is little more than a marketing scam, convincing people it's better for them. And, a significant portion of organic food is imported (I'm going to guess that Walmart is one of the importers) from... China. Yeah, we all know how that goes.

Also, watch this video. And also, you believe that "organic" foods from China are organic? Bahahahaha! BAAAHHAhahahaha!
http://www.beunyted.com/forum/topics/whole-foods-organic-food?xg_source=activity

edit: well, that took all of 10 seconds of searching...
http://www.billingsnews.com/index.p...ds&catid=82:conversation-quarterly&Itemid=112

edit: re-read and noted you said "local" - you're right. Local will often taste better. But it doesn't have to be organic certified. Most people won't even go to the bother. Hell, the Amish around here grow a ton of awesome vegetables. They're not certified "organic."

The problem with your argument, is organic is not just a marketing scam. It vertainly *can* be, but its a very regulated industry. Secondly, Im a label reader for a number of reasons. I can honestly say Ive never seen anything organic come from China. Maybe I dont eat foods that are coming from China as organic, perhaps. But Ive never seen it. Im also not saying it doesnt exist. However, can you provide evidence of Chinese food labled as organic, thats been proven not to be? And is continued to be sold? Organic is not just a fancy label. As far as WalMart goes, I just got back from there. Of the stuff I bought, most is grown and packaged in USA, the rest in Mexico. Including a few veggies, milk, eggs, cheese, and yogurt. Only the veggies were grown in Mexico.

Lastly, your video about Whole Foods is misleading. Whole Foods lables EVERYTHING in their store if sold as organic, with country of origin (I know this because I shop there). Anything that specifically comes from China is not labled as such, but Whole Foods Markets hires a third party inspector to make sure everything passes USDA's definition of organic.

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/products/sourcing.php

Retailers are not required to be certified, and very few are, yet we invite a third party auditor into our stores to verify that we purchase, handle and sell organic food in compliance with the standards. Read more about this program here: http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/values/organic.php

All organic products are audited and certified by a USDA-accredited certifying agent.

Nice rant though.

 

[blackangst1]

"Organic" is a scam.
"free range" or "range free" is a scam.

I'm not sure why you're wasting your money.

It's not. Are there organic scams out there? Sure. But the certification itself is not.

Free range and range free are also not scams. Perhaps you need to read up on what is certified as organic and such? Perhaps you think anyone anywhere can label something organic?

You have been mislead. But feel free to think what you want.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Eh was going to post a real comment but that logic is so flawed I'm not even sure where to begin...
Basicly we are talking about food here not wood. Current trees used for lumber at lumber farms grows faster because of selective breading not genetic alterations. Faster growing food means it is quicker at producing say x ears of corn where x is higher the the initial amount per given time n. X still has the same nutritional value and n per individual ear of corn, meaning it is better able feed animals including people.
Oh and in case you missed it there are starving Americans, and people of other countries as well. You can still be fat and still die of malnutrition.
Oh and the starving being feed, how about 3rd world nations through the UN food program.

In truth all processed and most unprocessed consumables contains gm or selectively bread crops.

There are more things to be said, propaganda runs to rampant in these parts for it to be worth while.

Ever here of unicef is it new . They been in business long time . But still 1/3 world population was starving . Same as today.

Right behind my house is beutiful woods with a river running threw it . Only 15 miles from source of river we are . Yet the water is unfit in just 15 miles that water is poison .

Nearest farm field to my N. is 200 yards from my home . Trout farm 100 yards from my home . Were my cattle I buy are raised next to trout farm . Everthing comes from that farm . SMall farm but the community loves it . We know what were eating now. We all help. Why are Americans starving . Did MoM Dad sell there food stamps for booze /Drugs????

 

[HGC]

"Organic" is a scam.
"free range" or "range free" is a scam.

I'm not sure why you're wasting your money.

I've been vegetarian for many years. I eat a lot of organic and non-organic produce. Organic is usually noticeably tastier, and it often looks better, too.

I buy milk from a local organic dairy where the cows are treated humanely. They're allowed to graze, and are kept in healthy conditions so they don't need mass quantities of antibiotics and growth hormones.

The benefits to me are obvious, though there might not be a preponderance of double blind studies proving it. I feel the same way about GMO food.

 

[Nemesis 1]

How many here have had a real tomato. I mean a real tomato fat meaty tomato you can't buy these in grocery store . In a grocery store you get a hollow tasteless crap,
I spent 2/3 of my life in the food processing industry. The standards are so low now its sinful. In the 60s most these processing plants would be shut down because of unsanitary conditions . The products now that are produced are also substandard to what was produced in the sixties.

Food to me is a big deal. Its one of the enjoyable things in life . Yet the produce you guys buy isn't fit for pigs.

 

[Modelworks]

How many here have had a real tomato. I mean a real tomato fat meaty tomato you can't buy these in grocery store . In a grocery store you get a hollow tasteless crap,
I spent 2/3 of my life in the food processing industry. The standards are so low now its sinful. In the 60s most these processing plants would be shut down because of unsanitary conditions . The products now that are produced are also substandard to what was produced in the sixties.

Food to me is a big deal. Its one of the enjoyable things in life . Yet the produce you guys buy isn't fit for pigs.

Buying tomatoes grown in hydroponics, picked green and gassed should be criminal.
Nothing beats in the dirt , picked ripe , tomatoes.

 

[dmcowen674]

GM Food - Seeds of Deception by Jeffrey Smith

The following link contains a video (6 parts x 10 minutes each) discussing important facts concerning genetically modified foods. There is much important information here. Below are only some of the important bits of information I was able to take notes on.

http://newworldorder.com.pl/film.php?id=507

Jeffrey Smith
Seeds of Deception
http://www.seedsofdeception.com/
http://www.amazon.com/Seeds-Deceptio.../dp/0972966587



Four main food crops:

• soy
• corn
• cottonseed oil
• canola

Genetically Modified foods create:

• Allergies
• Toxins
• Antibiotic Resistant Diseases
• Nutritional Problems

FDA executives also worked for Monsanto.

"If a politician is telling you that genetically modified foods are safe, he is either very stupid or he is lieing."

Those who drink milk with rBGH develop breast cancer or prostate cancer.

Independent study of Aspartame vs. Industry study of Aspartame.
100% of Independent studies raised questions on the safety of aspartame.
0% of Industry studies raised questions on aspartame.


"The U.S. media is close-lipped about the potential safety hazards, and certainly about the corruption taking place."

"Studies show the more people know about genetic modification, the more concern they have."

When given a choice, animals refused to eat GM foods. This includes rats, wild geese, cows, and even pigs.

Rats fed only GM foods developed stomach lesions, blood cell formation problems, liver cell formation problems, and heavier livers.

"Pigs fed GM corn on several farms developed false pregnancies or became sterile."

Nice to see someone else post about this yet another Corporate abomination unleashed on the world. :thumbsup:

 

[ShawnD1]

How many here have had a real tomato. I mean a real tomato fat meaty tomato you can't buy these in grocery store . In a grocery store you get a hollow tasteless crap,

My neighbor grows tomatoes and occasionally brings over a few. They taste the same as the tomatoes at the store and the tomatoes at Subway. The only real difference is that my neighbor's tomatoes can be picked when they are perfectly ripe whereas store tomatoes are picked sooner and sit on the shelf for a while. It's like comparing new pizza to left over pizza.

 

[charrison]

Buying tomatoes grown in hydroponics, picked green and gassed should be criminal.
Nothing beats in the dirt , picked ripe , tomatoes.

I agree.

 

[JS80]

Question, did corn and tomatoes exist 100 million years ago? Did they "evolve" throughout the ages "naturally"?

 

[lothar]

I've been vegetarian for many years. I eat a lot of organic and non-organic produce. Organic is usually noticeably tastier, and it often looks better, too.

I buy milk from a local organic dairy where the cows are treated humanely. They're allowed to graze, and are kept in healthy conditions so they don't need mass quantities of antibiotics and growth hormones.

The benefits to me are obvious, though there might not be a preponderance of double blind studies proving it. I feel the same way about GMO food.

I call bullshit on your taste test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zqe4ZV9LDs

The supposedly "benefits" of organic foods to you are disputed below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhBKtjDtTVk&feature=related

Watch and weep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ31Ljd9T_Y

 

[blackangst1]

Question, did corn and tomatoes exist 100 million years ago? Did they "evolve" throughout the ages "naturally"?

Corn is not something that exists in the wild, and is "man made" if you will. In other words, it cannot grow in the wild without man's intervention. The history of corn places it in Mayan civilization approx 6-7000 years ago.

Ive read differing accounts of tomatoes, but the general concensus seems to be its been around since before Christ, and is native to S America.

 

[bfdd]

Buying tomatoes grown in hydroponics, picked green and gassed should be criminal.
Nothing beats in the dirt , picked ripe , tomatoes.

Wtf is wrong with hydroponics? Hydroponics will grow a better plant faster. They're picked green because they have to ripen while on the shelf wtf?

How many here have had a real tomato. I mean a real tomato fat meaty tomato you can't buy these in grocery store . In a grocery store you get a hollow tasteless crap,
I spent 2/3 of my life in the food processing industry. The standards are so low now its sinful. In the 60s most these processing plants would be shut down because of unsanitary conditions . The products now that are produced are also substandard to what was produced in the sixties.

Food to me is a big deal. Its one of the enjoyable things in life . Yet the produce you guys buy isn't fit for pigs.

Yes I have, my grand parents used to have a garden where they grew bell peppers and tomatoes. Not much different than the generic shit you get off the shelf at a grocery store. One thing I will say is awesome though, cheese. Was in Missouri had some Amish cheese, really hard to compare anything processed to that stuff.

My neighbor grows tomatoes and occasionally brings over a few. They taste the same as the tomatoes at the store and the tomatoes at Subway. The only real difference is that my neighbor's tomatoes can be picked when they are perfectly ripe whereas store tomatoes are picked sooner and sit on the shelf for a while. It's like comparing new pizza to left over pizza.

I've never understood that. I've eaten everything, I dated a vegetarian who ate mostly organic stuff and it tasted the same to me.

 

[nonlnear]

I've never understood that. I've eaten everything, I dated a vegetarian who ate mostly organic stuff and it tasted the same to me.

I've heard vegetarians taste quite different...

 

[Nemesis 1]

Sweet corn use to be my favorit veg . But what their putting in the cans now is unexceptable to . None of the canners are using Jubilee varity any more. To me thats sweet corn . This stuff now is to sweat . So we no longer eat sweet corn from can. I grow my own Jubilee. I doesn't last long as neighbors bang my door down for sweet corn Jubilee style I live in the corn belt were best sweet corn grows . Golden Jubilee is what I want.

 

[TechNyou]

I could make many points here based on replies to this post, but here are a couple: there is no such thing as GM strawberries, let alone those containing fish genes (though many years ago there was research to investigate the function of these anti-freeze proteins found in the arctic fish), so Loki8481's girlfriend can feel safe eating them.
Second, re: unpredictability issues with GM foods. There is just as much unpredictability with conventional breeding when it comes to introducing toxins, allergens or anti-nutrients. All plants naturally contain these compounds, we have just reduced there levels through breeding. But conventional cross breeding introduces a suite of unknown genes from an individual that can re-introduce these compounds, often leading to increased and unknown levels of toxins, allergens, anti-nutrients. There are documented cases of this happening with potaotes and celery, that I am aware at least.

Finally, Jeffrey Smith is hardly a reliable expert on this topic. To get real scientific, evidence-based analysis of the issues, especially those raised by J. Smith, then readers should check out http://academicsreview.org/ This new site is authored by real scientists and they use proper peer-reviewed science to examine many of the issues about GM foods.

The TechNyou web site also has a lot of discussion on GM foods/crops, but mostly from an ethical perspective - www.technyou.edu.au

Jason
Manager, TechNyou
University of Melbourne, Australia

 

[Nemesis 1]

It works by combining my dna with plant dna :awe:


Also, this guy's article is pretty cool
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4019?popular=true


This guy nails it. Efficacy is everything. Instead of dumping large amounts of shit (literally) on plants and hoping they grow, why not throw a handful of ammonia-based fertilize on them? Genetic crops go a step farther and naturally grow faster or resist cold weather without needing to be sprayed with chemicals.

That means on a pound for pound basis, genetically engineered crops sprayed with weird stuff will have less pesticide or herbicide on them.

Why does everone skip over Fluoride very poisonious. There is zero reason to put this shit in our water.

 

[blackangst1]

I could make many points here based on replies to this post, but here are a couple: there is no such thing as GM strawberries, let alone those containing fish genes (though many years ago there was research to investigate the function of these anti-freeze proteins found in the arctic fish), so Loki8481's girlfriend can feel safe eating them.
Second, re: unpredictability issues with GM foods. There is just as much unpredictability with conventional breeding when it comes to introducing toxins, allergens or anti-nutrients. All plants naturally contain these compounds, we have just reduced there levels through breeding. But conventional cross breeding introduces a suite of unknown genes from an individual that can re-introduce these compounds, often leading to increased and unknown levels of toxins, allergens, anti-nutrients. There are documented cases of this happening with potaotes and celery, that I am aware at least.

Finally, Jeffrey Smith is hardly a reliable expert on this topic. To get real scientific, evidence-based analysis of the issues, especially those raised by J. Smith, then readers should check out http://academicsreview.org/ This new site is authored by real scientists and they use proper peer-reviewed science to examine many of the issues about GM foods.

The TechNyou web site also has a lot of discussion on GM foods/crops, but mostly from an ethical perspective - www.technyou.edu.au

Jason
Manager, TechNyou
University of Melbourne, Australia

Hm. Nice self promotion. First post too!

Im sure its unbiased though

 

[Fingolfin269]

Organic is a marketing ploy.