I agree. In deciding to kill a mouse you've already chosen to do the worst thing you can possibly do to it. After that, the relative speed with which you kill it is really a minor issue and is only needs to be done quickly if that's convenient for you, which it usually is. It's only those people who believe that they are doing it out of concern for the mouse itself who need correcting here. If you gave one shit about the mouse you wouldn't decide to kill it in the first place.
I've only had one mice problem at a rent house a few years ago. Used some cheap snap traps until the landlord hired an exterminator that put out some poison traps under the house. The exterminator also found the hole where they were coming in, but the landlord never fixed it while I was there. I'm sure the mice are back now.
Hey HenryC, if you feel bad for them because of that, wait until you find out what they go through as your food is processed. Like, say, for example simple Corn Flakes.
Brainonska511
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Best to use some kind of snapping trap; I always thought glue traps were kind of cruel and they don't always work, such as if they only get one foot stuck on it and then run off to the wall and it comes off. I used some rat poison (without thinking) over the summer to kill a rat in my kitchen that was traveling between my kitchen and the basement of the apartment building. It died somewhere in the wall or a space between the cabinets and the wall, or just somewhere it could not be reached for disposal. It smelled awful for a good week to 10 days. I'm just thankful that it was the summer, so I could keep the windows open to vent the room. The worst part was about 1-2 weeks after the smell went away. It was awful - so many flies.... ugh; it was so disgusting. I ended up buying some fly tape to hang from some lights in the kitchen and hopefully catch a lot of the flies. Also vacuumed a lot of them up and became really good at smashing them with my sandal.
Moral of the story: don't use rat poison to kill a mouse/rat in your home.
Moral of the story: don't use rat poison to kill a mouse/rat in your home.
GasX
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In my opinion, willfull ignorance is a more egregious character flaw than the indifference to the suffering of a small rodent. You yourself went to a store, bought and laid down glue traps. You have captured and caused suffering of a small rodent just as anyone else here who uses glue traps has. The difference between you and TallBill is that he is aware that the mouse suffers. You bring a whiny self righteous cry of "how can this be?" to a situation you have to CHOOSE to be ignorant of. Seriously, put half a second of critical thought into your purchase. How else can it possibly work?
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Bullshit.
There are worse things than death.
A minor issue?
Yeah right.
When you're killing something, that's never a minor issue. It needs to be done because the animal is in great pain - I think it's pretty simple.
No.
It's the people who would be that extra cruel when that is not necessary. Sometimes killing the animal is the kinder option. And it most certainly is when it comes to mercy killings. Don't give me that convenience crap, that's just you being lazy.
GasX
Lifer
- Feb 8, 2001
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Is anyone here lining up mice, seperating them from their families, stealing their belongings, pulling their gold teeth out of their mouths, putting them to hard labor on a barely subsistence diet, working them to near death, gassing them and then making other mice put their corpses into ovens?
Yep, I tried to catch a mouse with one and when I got home from work one day I found a poor giraffe that had succumbed to the glue's vicious grip.
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I'd like you to explain what was so "willfull" about it when we got actual recommendation from a pest control operator who explicitly told us how this would work. I didn't even purchase and set them FFS.
Actually, that was my brother who did that. Read the OP. It's there.
You say I have a more egregious character flaw, when this guy is aware that the mouse suffers...
... but supports/does it anyway (and by that I mean intentionally starve it to death). Hell, at least out my ignorance, I learned something from this, and showed empathy. After my experience, I would never recommend or use them... so I am quite aware thanks. Only that my awareness into this is not empty like TallBill, who, after the fact, would still toss them alive into the bin. And not have a problem with it.
Someone finds such a torture acceptable and I have the bigger character flaw? My god... what kind of bullshit reasoning is that? Did this guy pay you to write this or what?
We were told by a experienced pest control operator that the mouse would suffocate really quickly, and since he was a professional, we took his word for it. I didn't even buy the thing, pal.
Perhaps you'd be better off reading the OP rather than just jumping into the thread.
GasX
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I read it earlier when it was first posted. Forgive me if I forgot a few details.
I will say that the exterminator is right for the most part. The fact that those things are so damned sticky actually does lead to them suffocating fairly quickly. It's not exactly a pretty way to go, but they get exhausted from the struggle and succumb. I have used glue traps in the past and checked them daily. Almost invariably the mouse is dead when I check the trap. Granted, it depends on the trap and some of the glue traps aren't as effective as others but for the most part, the good ones kill them quick. The thought that they hang out for a week or two and starve to death is laughable.
Every trap has a down side. The glue traps suck when the mouse only gets a leg stuck and drags the trap around - especially if it gets away and dies somewhere awkward. The typical snap trap can cause traumatic amuptations that are invariably fatal but probably painful as hell. If you note my first post in the thread and my subsequent comment, I have used and prefer and suggest a particular trap that I have had 100% instant neck breaking kills with.
It's a dirty business killing things...
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That's why it's vital to remember key details, see? So there is no misunderstanding.
Not according to this
Doing my own little research, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence against your statement too. I'd say the lucky ones dive their noses in, but most often they will rip skin off, break bones... even gnaw limbs in an attempt to escape. It's well documented. All while they're struggling. And if stuck lying on its side, perhaps even worse.
Dead, or dying? It might be too exhausted to move...
No one really said that. But I'm sure it would take a few days, considering their metabolism. Either way... it's a slow, long painful death. Unnecessary, and anyone who'd just let that happen with these things... are, well, just sick.
Of course, but there are many ways to kill. You don't need to use the most cruel one, when a less cruel one can work just as well... if not better.
I disagree. There is nothing worse than death.
Deciding to kill something is not a minor issue. Once decided, the rest is nothing. You've already decided that the creature is less than nothing to you. You will rob it of everything it has or ever will have on a whim, because it inconveniences you. The manner in which you end its life, so long as you do it without any sort of demented pleasure, is the lesser evil if we're going to consider any part of the process evil.
I'm not advocating unnecessary cruelty here, but killing the animal when it's happily scurrying about your kitchen floor is not the kinder option. You're twisting this around so that it sounds like a mercy killing when it's actually a convenience killing. You don't want the mouse in your house, so you buy a contraption that's meant to kill it. Whether or not that contraption puts the mouse in great pain before it dies is irrelevant because you have already determined to kill it beforehand. You deserve no credit for being merciful when it was you who placed the mouse in the situation where a mercy killing was necessary. You are nothing but a cruel mouse murderer from the start. Pretending to be a "humane" mouse murderer is ridiculous in the face of that. I'd kill the mouse too, and do it quickly and painlessly if at all possible. I'd do it for MY convenience, not any misplaced notion that I'm somehow being nice to the mouse by ending it's life.
Originally posted by: TallBill
Not only that, but I've never used a glue trap while the whiney bitch has!Yet, I'm the cruel bastard. Weird how that works.
Ok guys, that's good. We're starting to understand the value of life. I want everyone to hold hands...come on I said hold haaands!
Even if that were true, there's a world of difference between Exhibit A and Exhibit B.
Today I drove 5 MPH over the speed limit, which is a crime. I did it deliberately.
Back in the day, Charles Manson led his cultish family on a brutal--and creepy--murder spree, which is also a crime. He, too, did it deliberately.
Bit of a difference between me and him, I'd say.
eplebnista
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who gives a crap.
mice and rats deserve to die.
any one who gets their knickers in a knot over this is an idiot.
do you wring your hands over ant baits? or mosquito repellent? fly strips?
pests get exterminated.
mice and rats deserve to die.
any one who gets their knickers in a knot over this is an idiot.
do you wring your hands over ant baits? or mosquito repellent? fly strips?
pests get exterminated.
Isn't it weird that I thought about this thread today? The very same day that you, likely searching for something entirely unrelated, came upon it and bumped it?
This thread is now about my psychic connection to Iron Woode.
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