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Globalfoundries developing 10nm in-house (DigiTimes)

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Sweepr

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Globalfoundries plans to develop 10nm process technology in-house instead of relying on licensing from Samsung, according to industry sources.

In April 2014, Globalfoundries and Samsung jointly announced their collaboration to deliver production capacity for 14nm FinFET process technology, which was developed by Samsung and licensed to Globalfoundries.

Globalfoundries and Samsung have teamed up to successfully grab 14nm chip orders from Apple, Qualcomm and AMD, said the sources. The pair once stood a good chance of obtaining orders from Nvidia, which is still sticking with TSMC for 16nm FinFET production, the sources indicated.

However, Globalfoundries has moved to develop its next-generation 10nm process technology internally, after finding that partnering with Samsung is not quite a cost-effective strategy, the sources observed.

In fact, the partnership between Globalfoundries and Samsung has begun to lose its competitive advantage, the sources said. Though the pair beat TSMC in the 14/16nm FinFET race, TSMC has improved the yield rate of its 16nm FinFET fast and is ramping up the process production quickly. The smooth ramping and stable yield performance could help TSMC win back orders from Qualcomm and AMD, the sources noted.

For Globalfoundries, paying Samsung licensing fees will be more expensive than using IBM's IPs to develop its own technology, the sources suggested. Besides, Globalfoundries recently completed its acquisition of IBM's microelectronics business. The addition of engineering workforce from IBM's chip-manufacturing unit will surely make a positive contribution to Globalfoundries' development of 10nm and more advanced process technologies in-house, the sources said.

Rumors circulated previously that a group of China-based investors supported financially by the government is eyeing Globalfoundries because of the acquisition target's 14nm FinFET technology. But the sources noted that since Globalfoundries' 14nm FinFET technology is licensed by Samsung, the Korea-based vendor would not allow its technology to be sold through such a deal.
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NTMBK said:
I'm sure they will have just as much success as they did with their in-house 14XM.
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That also tells a lot about the state of the colaboration between the two partners on the 14nm. It seems that Samsung is an even worse partner than IBM was, and IBM wasn't exactly any company's wet dream.
 
ShintaiDK said:
Did they ever get 20nm going? Seems their last 2 inhouse nodes failed.
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They have manufactured some volume products, but most customers went to TSMC instead, even after GF 20nm was "complete". Apparently it eventually did work but the resulting product just wasn't good enough to be worth the risk of switching away from TSMC. 14XM was of course a complete failure.

The rumor I've heard is that the development of GF 10nm is being lead from Burlington, by the old IBM team instead of from Malta by the team that failed at 14nm. We'll see how that goes -- the IBM team does have a solid track record for delivering high-performance processes, but they are also used to making processes that are very expensive. I wonder how will they manage when they have to make something for a consumer market where unit manufacturing costs matter...
 
Seems that GloFo is the next AMD... Constant failures and despite the help of someone big, they failed Hard. GloFo turned from competent people to arab clowns who has money.
 
Do you ever have anything useful to say? Seriously, if you have nothing to add here just stay quiet. You type like a 13 year old Mountain Dew addict who hasn't seen the sun--or a phonics worksheet--since he was in diapers.
 
ShintaiDK said:
Did they ever get 20nm going? Seems their last 2 inhouse nodes failed.
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I mean developing a 7nm process myself. I am betting I'll be just as successful as gf.

Actually, I'll be more successful since I'll spend nothing to do it and never get it done. Just like gf! Except without massive expenditures.
 
ARM are working with Global Foundries, along with Samsung and TSMC; they are developing 'Physical' IP at 10nm scaling, and also 7nm scaling. This suggests that 10nm is advancing towards production.
Given that ARM finished development of 16nm Physical IP with TSMC one year ago, and that they started working on 10nm with them a year ago, the subsequent success of TSMC suggests that the parnership is successful; this also suggests to me that Global Foundries will succeed at 10nm.
Some commentators are overly sceptical, having dismissed TSMC in the recent past, but the facts speak for themselves; do not be too ready to dismiss other ARM partners.
 
If ARM is partnering with GF in development of an in-house 10nm process, then that would imply that someone wants to produce ARM chips on said process in the same fashion that TSMC is producing chips like the A9.

So what ARM-based company wants to use GF for 10nm?
 
GloFo could for the sake of argument just call a 20nm FF for 10nm. As long as they dont disclose sizes and electrical properties its pretty irrelevant what it is called. We all learned that when number inflation hit the foundries.

But it would be a first for GloFo if they can deliver and deliver on time.
 
ShintaiDK said:
But it would be a first for GloFo if they can deliver and deliver on time.
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It would be particularly impressive given the increasing complexity:

Cliff Hou, vice president for design technology at TSMC, estimated engineers working in the 10nm node will face more than 5,000 design rules compared to 4,000 at 16nm and less than 2,000 in the 28nm node.
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I didn't bother posting this 2 weeks ago because I assumed it was common knowledge even at the time, but this has already been stated (publicly) by Sanjay Jha, Globalfoundries CEO, as reported by EETimes on Sept 16 from Junko Yoshida.

EE Times: For 14nm node, Globalfoundries depended on the technology licensed from Samsung. What’s your plan for 10nm and 7nm? Will you develop your own technologies?

Jha: We’re developing our own technologies for the next nodes. The whole point of the IBM Microelectronics business acquisition is to leverage IBM’s technologists and technology to accelerate our own development of leading-edge process technologies.
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(note there is a bunch of nice stuff in the same EETimes article regarding FDSOI as well)
 
I actually would really love to see a successful development of 10 nm and 7 nm by GF. I would also love to see a Zen die-shrink to 10 nm after the 14 nm version is launched.

These developments might save AMD, if they arrive quickly enough and if AMD's CFO can keep the company afloat until Zen arrives. One never knows, but hopes.
 
Boze said:
I actually would really love to see a successful development of 10 nm and 7 nm by GF. I would also love to see a Zen die-shrink to 10 nm after the 14 nm version is launched.

These developments might save AMD, if they arrive quickly enough and if AMD's CFO can keep the company afloat until Zen arrives. One never knows, but hopes.
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Hardly... the PC and laptop industry is slowly dieing...
 
Idontcare said:
I didn't bother posting this 2 weeks ago because I assumed it was common knowledge even at the time, but this has already been stated (publicly) by Sanjay Jha, Globalfoundries CEO, as reported by EETimes on Sept 16 from Junko Yoshida.



(note there is a bunch of nice stuff in the same EETimes article regarding FDSOI as well)
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I had sort of taken it for granted that everything from this summer on up would be affected by GF's final acquisition of IBM's fabs and related staff. It's wise of you to bring up that fact, though.

GF isn't quite the same company it was a year ago.
 
Guess who the first two posters be, evenly spaced too
Did they ever get 20nm going? Seems their last 2 inhouse nodes failed.
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Can't wait for the torrent of powerpoints.
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I cant give a * either way, I just hope it launches good with a superior Zen on top to see you two idiots get butthurt.




If you can't post without the name calling, then quit posting.



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Sweepr said:
For Globalfoundries, paying Samsung licensing fees will be more expensive than using IBM's IPs to develop its own technology, the sources suggested. Besides, Globalfoundries recently completed its acquisition of IBM's microelectronics business. The addition of engineering workforce from IBM's chip-manufacturing unit will surely make a positive contribution to Globalfoundries' development of 10nm and more advanced process technologies in-house, the sources said.
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Nice, one can only hope good things, do we have a race for 10nm 🙂 ?
 
Systems analyst said:
ARM are working with Global Foundries, along with Samsung and TSMC; they are developing 'Physical' IP at 10nm scaling, and also 7nm scaling. This suggests that 10nm is advancing towards production.
Given that ARM finished development of 16nm Physical IP with TSMC one year ago, and that they started working on 10nm with them a year ago, the subsequent success of TSMC suggests that the parnership is successful; this also suggests to me that Global Foundries will succeed at 10nm.
Some commentators are overly sceptical, having dismissed TSMC in the recent past, but the facts speak for themselves; do not be too ready to dismiss other ARM partners.
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The best predictor of future performance is past performance. GloFo failed on their last two process nodes.

Also, note the language. They say they are working on 10nm. Did they also they are not in discussions of any type with Samsung?
 
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