Global ""Warming""

[Londo_Jowo]

If the globe warms enough, is it possible that Canada might become habitable?

Also if this happens the Canadians would be able to have larger grain crops which could result in many more bottles of Crown Royal being produced.

 

[Spungo]

Also if this happens the Canadians would be able to have larger grain crops which could result in many more bottles of Crown Royal being produced.

[insert joke about natives]


Also, warmer doesn't automatically mean better growing. Saudi Arabia is really hot, but there isn't much going on in that area. It seems water has some kind of effect on plants growing.

 

[fskimospy]

Eskimospy congratulations are in order ! Yes that's right you have a sponsor now ! It's me ! I commit to purchasing (and thoroughly enjoying) large gas guzzling vehicles in your name. In fact I already have one so your sponsorship has already begun ! Come on guys step up and sponsor a lib.

It's pretty hilarious that you think I would care if you're spending more money on gas to drive a big vehicle. My best wishes to your continued enjoyment though!

If your decision to get a lower efficiency vehicle was affected in even the smallest amount by your desire to make a 'lib' angry with you I hope you take a moment every time you fill it up to think about just how stupid that is. Nobody cares what car you drive, haha.

 

[Annisman*]

It's pretty hilarious that you think I would care if you're spending more money on gas to drive a big vehicle. My best wishes to your continued enjoyment though!

If your decision to get a lower efficiency vehicle was affected in even the smallest amount by your desire to make a 'lib' angry with you I hope you take a moment every time you fill it up to think about just how stupid that is. Nobody cares what car you drive, haha.

Every drop of gasoline will be like your sweet salty tears going into my gas tank ^_^

 

[Paratus]

Every drop of gasoline will be like your sweet salty tears going into my gas tank ^_^

Except your gas guzzling vehicle will be getting 10-20% better mileage than a decade ago. Thanks to legislation that requires better gas mileage.

:hmm: Hey Glenn better update that graph of yours.

 

[boomerang]

Lets start a thread called "climate change solutions" where we can discuss the methods by which we can get our climate back to where someone has decided it should be. This would be helpful as I can only come up with two viable methods of addressing the problem.

Yeah, but first we have to determine what it should be. A thorough discussion of what is 'normal' should get things off to a good start.

 

[fskimospy]

Every drop of gasoline will be like your sweet salty tears going into my gas tank ^_^

Haha, if you want to waste your hard earned money because you think it makes some imagined liberal mad that's fine by me.

It might take you awhile but eventually you'll realize the joke is on you.

 

[Paratus]

Indeed there has. ever since the end of the LIA in fact.

Sure why has there been warming since the LIA?

 

[Paratus]

...

So in sum, no human suffering has occurred. It has been an unseasonably cold summer here in Wisconsin (for the 3rd year in a row), but since I like it cool, it has been great. Looks to be a bumber crop year here in terms of agriculture.

...

:hmm:

Guess if it's cold in Wisconsin everything is fine.

 

[Moonbeam]

Every drop of gasoline will be like your sweet salty tears going into my gas tank ^_^

Please please please don't be like that. Eskimo doesn't give a shit how much gas you use, but I care and I care about your attitude. You have the attitude of a first class asshole, a the emotional maturity of a turd. You can't touch Eskimo but you are destroying yourself. Every decent person you meet will recognize who you are and you can pretend you are fine but you will suffer terribly. All of the higher emotional pleasures open to good people will be denied to you and by your own self. See a psychiatrist as fast as you can. Your contrition while deeply destructive to your own happiness isn't really very serious and you can easily recover. Head down the road that leads to the joys of being deeply human. Do it for the love of yourself, a love you haven't felt since early childhood but can't ever be completely destroyed.

 

[Thebobo]

Oh boy! Another climate change thread! I was worried that the two or three going on already wouldn't be able to handle the reams of irrefutable evidence provided by either side.
We need a section called "dead horse beating".

Oh boy! Another person complaining about a thread climate change thread! I was worried that the two or three of my post going on already wouldn't be able to handle the reams of irrefutable evidence provided by either side.
We need a section called "dead horse beating" and I prove it!

 

[werepossum]

Oh boy! Another climate change thread! I was worried that the two or three going on already wouldn't be able to handle the reams of irrefutable evidence provided by either side.
We need a section called "dead horse beating".

I agree and applaud your wisdom.

How many degrees of global warming has legislative action prevented?

I understand that's a rhetorical, but efficiency standards that save energy and reduce CO2 output do have some impact, as do laws subsidizing solar panel output or guaranteeing loans for new nuclear plants. I'm pretty agnostic about CAGW, but not intentionally changing our atmosphere doesn't seem like an unreasonable goal.

Predictions say that the El Nino this Winter will likely be one of the strongest in the past 50 years. 2015 will likely be a very warm year.

Coincidence! Why, one might as well hypothesize that global warming might one day make Canada habitable as claim that this is anything more than coincidence.

 

[Greenman]

Nuclear is one solution (that's realistic)...what's the other?

Mine were to kill 2/3 of the population, or simply stop using oil and go back to 1800's tech. I like your idea a lot more than mine.

 

[Greenman]

Oh boy! Another person complaining about a thread climate change thread! I was worried that the two or three of my post going on already wouldn't be able to handle the reams of irrefutable evidence provided by either side.
We need a section called "dead horse beating" and I prove it!

If you could parse that into something understandable I'd appreciate it.

 

[Paratus]

Mine were to kill 2/3 of the population, or simply stop using oil and go back to 1800's tech. I like your idea a lot more than mine.

How about instead we reduce the future population by 1/3 and have everyone living up to western standards, just using nuclear, wind and solar instead of coal and oil?

 

[brianmanahan]

Oh boy! Another climate change thread! I was worried that the two or three going on already wouldn't be able to handle the reams of irrefutable evidence provided by either side.
We need a section called "dead horse beating".

think of all the energy this post wasted

 

[boomerang]

How about instead we reduce the future population by 1/3

Now we're getting somewhere. Inside many liberals is a totalitarian screaming to get out. Put your central planning hat on and tell us how you'd like to see that shake out. I'm certain you've got a plan that you're itchin' to share with us.

Progressives never change through the ages. They change their moniker but the idea's, they're always the same.

 

[Paratus]

Now we're getting somewhere. Inside many liberals is a totalitarian screaming to get out. Put your central planning hat on and tell us how you'd like to see that shake out. I'm certain you've got a plan that you're itchin' to share with us.

Progressives never change through the ages. They change their moniker but the idea's, they're always the same.

I already told you how or did you forget.

Bring the third world up to first world and birth rates drop because individuals choose to have less kids . You end up with a smaller world population but a much larger first world market to sell stuff in.

If you do it using carbon neutral power then you can simultaneously:

• end poverty
• overpopulation
• control climate change
• create a huge market for business

No wonder a conservative such as yourself would hate that idea.

 

[Moonbeam]

I already told you how or did you forget.

Bring the third world up to first world and birth rates drop because individuals choose to have less kids . You end up with a smaller world population but a much larger first world market to sell stuff in.

If you do it using carbon neutral power then you can simultaneously:

• end poverty
• overpopulation
• control climate change
• create a huge market for business

No wonder a conservative such as yourself would hate that idea.

A modern American conservative is only interested in conserving his or her position of advantage in a world of competition. The idea of sharing those advantages with others is an anathema to them.

 

[sandorski]

I already told you how or did you forget.

Bring the third world up to first world and birth rates drop because individuals choose to have less kids . You end up with a smaller world population but a much larger first world market to sell stuff in.

If you do it using carbon neutral power then you can simultaneously:

• end poverty
• overpopulation
• control climate change
• create a huge market for business

No wonder a conservative such as yourself would hate that idea.

Some just don't like the idea of Planning or setting Goals. To them it smacks of Conspiracy. Doesn't matter how benign those may be or how Lives are improved as a result. To march forward into darkness to whatever fate therein lies is preferable to them.

 

[Greenman]

How about instead we reduce the future population by 1/3 and have everyone living up to western standards, just using nuclear, wind and solar instead of coal and oil?

Great idea. The reality is that nuclear is feared by many, not without reason. Wind is good in some places, though I'm sure in the near future there will be a wind slowing crises. Solar is a good option as well, but we need far better solar panels, and we need batteries that are a couple orders of magnitude better than what we have now. With good enough batteries we could get by on solar tech no better than what we have right now. We need to dump a lot of money into R&D.

In the words of R.A.H. "It's raining soup, we just don't have a bucket to catch it in".

 

[nickqt]

It's funny, when the weather is unusually cold, the alarmist scream "it's not global warming anymore, it's 'climate change', we are still right!"

And then the weather turns warm for a bit, they forget all about 'climate change', and go right back to 'global warming'.

It's hard to take seriously when the 'predictions' change so drastically every few months.

Overall, the globe is getting warmer. That doesn't mean that every place on earth will be warmer.

When people who don't understand the science say "but it's colder here so that means global warming is wrong", telling them that it's climate change is an attempt to help them understand.

The reason the term change to climate change happened is because people who are too stupid to talk to can't understand that just because it might be cold where they are that doesn't mean the net global average temperature isn't increasing. In the end, global warming is still happening and it causes global climate change so that it may not always be hotter where you are, but the Earth is hotter and that affects worldwide climate.

Acutally, no.

The term hasn't been changed. This talking point is vapid. One term is an accurate scientific description of what is being described, and another is a colloquial term.

This is a paper published in 1955 discussing "The Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climactic Change".

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01206.x/pdf

1955.


The IPCC... is the UN's climate "global warming" group initials, organized in f-ing 1988. Hiding in plain sight I guess...

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The IPCC.

http://www.ipcc.ch/organization/organization.shtml

1988.

The name wasn't changed.

 

[Greenman]

A modern American conservative is only interested in conserving his or her position of advantage in a world of competition. The idea of sharing those advantages with others is an anathema to them.

That's completely wrong. A modern conservative want's everyone to succeed. Success is contagious, it spreads. What we need are more successful people, lots more.
The condition you're describing is greed, and that has nothing to do with conservatism. Greed is the belief that hording your boundless excess makes your life better, it's the belief that others aren't as good or worthy as you are. It's an insatiable desire to show everyone that you're better than them. Greed my friend, is the poison of society.

 

[Paratus]

Great idea. The reality is that nuclear is feared by many, not without reason. Wind is good in some places, though I'm sure in the near future there will be a wind slowing crises. Solar is a good option as well, but we need far better solar panels, and we need batteries that are a couple orders of magnitude better than what we have now. With good enough batteries we could get by on solar tech no better than what we have right now. We need to dump a lot of money into R&D.

In the words of R.A.H. "It's raining soup, we just don't have a bucket to catch it in".

I did some rough calculations in another thread:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=37420629&highlight=ethiopia#post37420629

It would take about 30 times the amount of Uranium we used in 2013 to power the world in 2100 using light water reactors.

If we used breeder reactors we'd only need around 1/5th the Uranium we used in 2013 per year.

Solar used in the places with the best sun, using track on arrays, with the highest efficiencies would require a square 200-250km on a side.


I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks this. There's a reason the Gates Foundation with resources from Warren Buffet are tackling the basic causes of poverty in the third world.

There's also a reason Elon Musk has chosen to build electric cars to require the commoditization of batteries and push battery innovation, to invest in a solar company to drive solar adoption. If you are wondering where SpaceX comes in that's to make humans a multiplanet species. The man wants to save the human race apparently.

 

[stormkroe]

I've finally gotten a diverse set of locations to install small (1600 watt) wind mills. They're native 48vdc, I'm going to tie them directly into hot water tanks, no rectifiers, batteries, or anything. I hope that 6 months of logging output will yield good results. Anything over 30% of rated and I can proceed to the next stage: 500+ of them for large micro generation. You can top out at 1 megawatt and still be a micro, I can do the whole project for less than $350k, it would pay for itself in 2-3 years. It's a great experiment, I'm glad to finally be in the 'doing something' phase.