Global Warming Scientists Trapped in Antarctic Ice

[werepossum]

Link to claim of climate expertise? I saw mention of some Australian scientists, and in his link they are referred to as 'advocates.' It's all very vague, contrary to the certainty kitty places on his gut feeling about the makeup and views of those on board. I'm sure the 22 Russian crew appreciate him blaming the rich tourists.

I think a point of order may be to ask kitty to elaborate on how some foreign scientists and 'advocates' will be taxing his money in a plan to save the world. He could even go into detail on how the handling and navigation of a large sea going vessel is the responsibility of the passengers (sorry, 'advocates') and not the crew trained in ship operation and maritime travel. I'd love to hear that.

Fair enough, but you're switching your argument from "why should this harm their climate science credibility" to "what climate credibility".

 

[monovillage]

Link to claim of climate expertise? I saw mention of some Australian scientists, and in his link they are referred to as 'advocates.' It's all very vague, contrary to the certainty kitty places on his gut feeling about the makeup and views of those on board. I'm sure the 22 Russian crew appreciate him blaming the rich tourists.

I think a point of order may be to ask kitty to elaborate on how some foreign scientists and 'advocates' will be taxing his money in a plan to save the world. He could even go into detail on how the handling and navigation of a large sea going vessel is the responsibility of the passengers (sorry, 'advocates') and not the crew trained in ship operation and maritime travel. I'd love to hear that.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-us-return-to-mawson-s-antarctic-hut-the-home-of-the-blizzard

http://www.spiritofmawson.com/the-science-case/

 

[WHAMPOM]

The explain why the media and climate change fear mongers use any heat wave, dry spell, hurricane as proof of global warming?

The same way cold spells, rain storms, fair weather is claimed as proof there is no global warming. They don't know what they are talking about.

 

[monovillage]

I got it the first time. Your position is that what you say and how you say it is not evidence of what you believe. For future reference, since you are so clearly butthurt by everyone assuming you fall into a certain category because of things you said, in the future you might consider taking a little bit more care in what you say to make it harder to misunderstand you.

That or perhaps you simply enjoy getting to play the nobody understands me card and crying about it, in which case the strategy of posting jokes that read as serious statements and then abdicating responsibility for how the words you type sound works well and keep it up.

Maybe if you pulled that self righteous stick out of your ass you would see the humor and the irony of this group of climate activists getting stuck in the ice when promoting the global warming meme.
Kind of like the Gore effect on steroids.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15931.html
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gore Effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Effect

 

[WHAMPOM]

Did it prove that in the 1930s?

Too short of a time span, try 17 hundreds, 18 hundreds, 19 hundreds. A thousand years would be better.

 

[werepossum]

Too short of a time span, try 17 hundreds, 18 hundreds, 19 hundreds. A thousand years would be better.

CAGW rather falls apart if you include the Medieval Warm Period.

 

[kage69]

Fair enough, but you're switching your argument from "why should this harm their climate science credibility" to "what climate credibility".

Not really, although I can see now from the order of my comments how one might think that (and my apologies). The comment I was addressing initially, was kitty's "But how can they save the world if they can't even save themselves?"

Let me be clear: Rich GW advocates don't operate and navigate ocean going vessels in much the same way maritime diesel mechanics and boatswains don't formulate and test climate change models.

Kitty seems pretty convinced that these folks represent both the consensus of environmentalist opinion on climate change, as well as possessing the ability to effect tax hikes for him over something he questions. Because they're boat got stuck in the ice.

I looked at the links provided, and saw little to substantiate his fear. A George Carlin quote, as much as I adore the man, nay the legend, only did two things for his argument: jack, and shit.

I hope that helps.

 

[irishScott]

I'm certain a new Ice Age would be proof, to you, of Global Warming.

Uh, as much as I tend to disagree with eskimopie, he's kinda right here. Global warming = average global temperature going up. That doesn't mean the temperature goes up everywhere, and I'm pretty sure scientists and pundits on both sides of the issue agree on this.

 

[unokitty]

Clearly true of these people who were on a publicity stunt and are more activist than scientist, but not fair for environmentalists in general. Many are honestly concerned with protecting the Earth and its endangered species.

There is a lot to be admired about people, and societies, that clean up their own environment and make a conscious choice choice to limit their impact on the external environment.

But those people are different than the pseudo environmentalists that I met when I lived in Florida. Those were people who had already built their house on the beach and didn't think that anyone else should be allowed to build on the beach.

That is, those were people that were wrapped their 'narrow, unenlightened self-interest' with an environmental wrapper. They didn't impress me. Though, there was no shortage of "white, bourgeois liberals" that seemed impressed.

The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. It doesn't need anyone from this forum to save it.

Though, from what I read, those 'climate change' scientist/tourists stuck in the Antartic ice on the Akademic Shokalskiy do need someone to save them.

LOL

Uno

 

[spacejamz]

Uh, as much as I tend to disagree with eskimopie, he's kinda right here. Global warming = average global temperature going up. That doesn't mean the temperature goes up everywhere, and I'm pretty sure scientists and pundits on both sides of the issue agree on this.

Global temperatures rising (and falling) are not the issue...How much man is possibly causing any change is the issue.

Back in the 70's/80's, climatologists were warning of a coming global freeze...strange that no one was blaming man back then....

The other part of the equation is that many 3rd world countries are now tasting 1st world luxuries...The amount of energy required to allow billions of Indians, Russians and Chinese citizens to move into the 21st century is enormous. The effect of creating this amount of energy to the environment is not known. I wonder what their response would be if we asked them to forgo cars, air conditioning, etc in the name of saving the planet while current first world countries drive around in their SUV's living in their large single family homes...

 

[davmat787]

Ernest Shackletons ship, The Endurance, was lost to pack ice during his 1914-1917 expedition attempt to the South Pole, it was literally crushed and chewed up. Pack ice is extremely dangerous to get caught up in. Smithsonian channel regularly airs a documentary on this, and the heroics of many men to save the survivors. Highly recommended.

Anyone heard what the long term outlook is for this ship that is stuck in ice? Just because it is of steel construction it could very easily be ripped and/or capsized, propellers and rudders sheered off, .etc.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The fog they've had the last couple of days has lifted...rescue operations to start soon.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-...ded-antarctic-ship-prepare-for-rescue/5181828

 

[BlueWolf47]

Global temperatures rising (and falling) are not the issue...How much man is possibly causing any change is the issued Back in the 70's/80's, climatologists were warning of a coming global freeze...strange that no one was blaming man back then....

The other part of the equation is that many 3rd world countries are now tasting 1st world luxuries...The amount of energy required to allow billions of Indians, Russians and Chinese citizens to move into the 21st century is enormous. The effect of creating this amount of energy to the environment is not known. I wonder what their response would be if we asked them to forgo cars, air conditioning, etc in the name of saving the planet while current first world countries drive around in their SUV's living in their large single family homes...

I believe they may have been referring to the Earth's changes in orbit around the sun that caused past global ice ages. Right now, global avg temperatures should be declining. However, we have managed to pump enough CO2 to cause temperatures to continue to rise.

 

[Incorruptible]

So they believe in global warming and went to prove the ice is melting but instead it backfired. This is a big screw you to the global warming nutjobs.

 

[monovillage]

Don't forget to watch their New Years video, complete with a nice little song. So brave when they're under such imminent danger.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-01/youtube-new-years-video-from-stranded-antarctic-ship/5180674

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So they believe in global warming and went to prove the ice is melting but instead it backfired. This is a big screw you to the global warming nutjobs.

You have zero idea of what you're talking about (as usual) and if anyone is a nut job it's you. I know I'm a little rough on you...but damn...please stop the madness!

 

[Darwin333]

Shouldn't the poor just use public transport to drive to work instead of driving their 5 seats cars alone? Also, I think a lot of work could be done at home instead of the office eliminating the need to commute to work entirely. It should be beneficial regardless of how wealthy you are.

ps. many people don't realize how cheap gasoline actually is in the US in relation to average wages. See how much it costs in Europe.

I highly doubt that he was talking about "US poor". Outside of a handful of countries, US included, poor means really motherfucking poor. As in shitting in a hole that you dug yourself poor. Those people want to increase their standard of living which means stuff like electricity, tractors, and vehicles.

 

[Darwin333]

Just a note, the majority of these passengers appear to be tourists. If the above picture is accurate, it appears that these are the people that Carlin refered to as "white bourgeois liberals."

These "environmentalist" are now on their diesel powered boat in a 'pristine' wilderness area having to be rescued by several other diesel powered boats. Anyone think that that is good for the environment?

Nonetheless, if anyone wants to book a ticket, they start a little above $6,000. For that small price, you can "Experience an incredible sense of peace and freedom in its pristine environment... nature at its unspoiled best."

And since,
Just the item to impress all of ones ""white bourgeois liberal" friends.

Uno

Why must one be a "white bourgeois liberal" to want to travel to the Antarctic? Its on my bucket list and I am nowhere near a "bourgeois liberal", I am white though so you have that on me...

 

[monovillage]

Why must one be a "white bourgeois liberal" to want to travel to the Antarctic? Its on my bucket list and I am nowhere near a "bourgeois liberal", I am white though so you have that on me...

You'd be considered "bourgeois" from your practical and realistic middle class values.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bourgeoisie

It's only a dirty word to Marxists.

 

[ralfy]

These are the people that want to raise my taxes so that they can save the world.

But how can they save the world if they can't even save themselves?


Uno

The two are supposed to be connected, i.e., decreasing CO2 emissions and thereby saving ourselves.

The problem is peak oil. That is, even with lower taxes, lower oil production won't allow for more oil consumption. The IEA discusses these two problems (global warming and peak oil) in detail in its 2010 report.

Another problem is that due to positive feedback loops we may already be too late. That means we face three predicaments in the long run: increasing debt, peak oil, and global warming coupled with environmental damage.

 

[ralfy]

"I’m tired of f-ing Earth Day. I’m tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is that there aren’t enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world safe for Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don’t give a shit about the planet. Not in the abstract they don’t. You know what they’re interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They’re worried that some day in the future they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn’t impress me."

George Carlin said it first...

But incase you missed it "Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me" either.

Uno

Several don't realize the irony in Carlin's skit, i.e., he is implicitly defending environmentalism.

 

[ralfy]

There is a lot to be admired about people, and societies, that clean up their own environment and make a conscious choice choice to limit their impact on the external environment.

But those people are different than the pseudo environmentalists that I met when I lived in Florida. Those were people who had already built their house on the beach and didn't think that anyone else should be allowed to build on the beach.

That is, those were people that were wrapped their 'narrow, unenlightened self-interest' with an environmental wrapper. They didn't impress me. Though, there was no shortage of "white, bourgeois liberals" that seemed impressed.

The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. It doesn't need anyone from this forum to save it.

Though, from what I read, those 'climate change' scientist/tourists stuck in the Antartic ice on the Akademic Shokalskiy do need someone to save them.

LOL

Uno

See the skit and you will see that it is actually ironic: the point isn't that the earth needs saving, or that human beings need to save themselves. It's that human beings won't save themselves because they're self-centered.

 

[Subyman]

Best wishes to those aboard the stuck vessel. It is amazing how people use a rescue mission to make a statement about the temperature trends of the entire Earth.

 

[wirelessenabled]

No, I just respect science. If only more did so.

+1

 

[Moonbeam]

Quote:
Originally Posted by eskimospy View Post
No, I just respect science. If only more did so.

+1

You can't have science hurting you feelings. Science may point to what is true, but only truthiness can tell you what is right to think.