Global Warming Poll (2010)

[grohl]

camp4 rulz

 

[JulesMaximus]

May I suggest a Camp 7:

I don't really care about the politics nor whether GW is man-made or not. What I do care about is that I become more responsible and a better steward of the limited resources of this earth. I believe I should use what resources I have to the absolute fullest, that I should re-use and recycle as much as possible, and I should minimize waste as much as possible. I believe that I should strive to have a more sustainable lifestyle that is more healthy for myself, my family, my children, and my neighbor's children. I also believe that the search for renewable, domestically-produced energy sources will also have a positive impact on our trade imbalance, GDP, employment rate, and our national security as less money will go to terrorist-sponsoring nations.

x100

 

[JulesMaximus]

You know what's weird? In USA the issue seems to be almost perfectly divided along party lines. There is absolutely no reason this should be a political issue. I'm not sure what caused this (maybe the fact that a former Democratic VP is a public face of the issue?) but it pisses me off.

It really shouldn't be. You can thank the Bush administration for that though. The retardicans keep screaming that it is politics but I've yet to see how this issue has politically benefited the Democratic party or Al Gore. He ran for President almost 10 years ago and lost to a charismatic moron...how is he politically involved in this exactly?

 

[Greenman]

It really shouldn't be. You can thank the Bush administration for that though. The retardicans keep screaming that it is politics but I've yet to see how this issue has politically benefited the Democratic party or Al Gore. He ran for President almost 10 years ago and lost to a charismatic moron...how is he politically involved in this exactly?

Not even close to the right answer.

There are really only two camps, one say's "the sky is falling", the other says "show me where".
Al Gore guaranteed it would become political when he did his road show, and set himself up to make millions selling carbon credits. A system, by the way, that is fundamentally flawed. Guess who gets to pollute under that system? Guess who makes buckets of money under that system? Guess who is pushing global warming more than anyone else? I'll make it easy for you, it's all one group.

 

[SirStev0]

54 people in Camp 4. Wow, I guess the republican propaganda machine does work. Another sad day that science loses to talking points.

 

[ShawnD1]

Al Gore guaranteed it would become political when he did his road show, and set himself up to make millions selling carbon credits. A system, by the way, that is fundamentally flawed. Guess who gets to pollute under that system? Guess who makes buckets of money under that system? Guess who is pushing global warming more than anyone else? I'll make it easy for you, it's all one group.

In Canada, it's the east side of the country that benefits because they would be able to tax everyone to the west who didn't think it was worthwhile to build a 5 billion dollar nuclear power plant to serve just a couple million people.
(population density in the west is extremely low so it's most economical to build lots of small coal/oil generators and space them out)

On the global side of things, it's mostly Europe pushing for this because much of their power is nuclear. USA would need to buy credits from Europe.

 

[Chaotic42]

You know what's weird? In USA the issue seems to be almost perfectly divided along party lines. There is absolutely no reason this should be a political issue. I'm not sure what caused this (maybe the fact that a former Democratic VP is a public face of the issue?) but it pisses me off.

I know this is me getting on a soap box here, something I try not to do too often, but you're right. The US is a country which is in a huge mess right now, not only financially, but politically. Too many people in the US have either forgotten or never learned how to think critically. It's not taught in most schools. People have turned off their BS detectors and wallow around in talking points.

It's not just Rush and his buddies, either. Many women damn near worship Oprah Winfrey. I've met a few, and it's terrifying. College kids take Colbert, Stewart, and now Seth McFarlane as gospel, just like the 40-somethings take Rush like the second coming of Jesus.

Everyone has a little bit of knowledge, and that's what so dangerous. We're a well educated society, but we're never taught to ask "Why?". Thus, when we hear things like "Republicans hate black people" or "Democrats want us to be enslaved by the Mexicans", too many people don't stop to think, they just say, "Yeah, it seems that way. It must be at least partially true." America fell for it completely with Obama. Of course, look at the alternative we had.

Add to that our love of extremism, the fact that something can't just be wrong, it has to be evil, or it can't just be partially correct, it has to be the only option... It's a scary time for our country.

It almost seems like we are a nation which has been trained for subservience through mind-numblingly short attention spans. Everyone has forgotten that gas was $5/gal a year back. The Somali pirates were a big deal until football season started. We were all united on September 11th, but that faded after about a year.

So to me, the combination of a lack of critical thinking ability, our love of simple, easy to understand concepts, our extremism, and the fact that we protest in outrage at the thought of not getting to watch American Idol next year, but don't care that our Constitution keeps getting shitted on by both parties, and you get the United States of today. So to imagine that Climate Change Reform, or whatever you want to call it, with it's potential for the deaths of millions and/or it's cost of hundreds of trillions, would be anything but highly-polarized in the US is a dream.

Hopefully that makes sense, it *is* 12:45am. Flame on.

 

[SirStev0]

I know this is me getting on a soap box here, something I try not to do too often, but you're right. The US is a country which is in a huge mess right now, not only financially, but politically. Too many people in the US have either forgotten or never learned how to think critically. It's not taught in most schools. People have turned off their BS detectors and wallow around in talking points.

It's not just Rush and his buddies, either. Many women damn near worship Oprah Winfrey. I've met a few, and it's terrifying. College kids take Colbert, Stewart, and now Seth McFarlane as gospel, just like the 40-somethings take Rush like the second coming of Jesus.

Everyone has a little bit of knowledge, and that's what so dangerous. We're a well educated society, but we're never taught to ask "Why?". Thus, when we hear things like "Republicans hate black people" or "Democrats want us to be enslaved by the Mexicans", too many people don't stop to think, they just say, "Yeah, it seems that way. It must be at least partially true." America fell for it completely with Obama. Of course, look at the alternative we had.

Add to that our love of extremism, the fact that something can't just be wrong, it has to be evil, or it can't just be partially correct, it has to be the only option... It's a scary time for our country.

It almost seems like we are a nation which has been trained for subservience through mind-numblingly short attention spans. Everyone has forgotten that gas was $5/gal a year back. The Somali pirates were a big deal until football season started. We were all united on September 11th, but that faded after about a year.

So to me, the combination of a lack of critical thinking ability, our love of simple, easy to understand concepts, our extremism, and the fact that we protest in outrage at the thought of not getting to watch American Idol next year, but don't care that our Constitution keeps getting shitted on by both parties, and you get the United States of today. So to imagine that Climate Change Reform, or whatever you want to call it, with it's potential for the deaths of millions and/or it's cost of hundreds of trillions, would be anything but highly-polarized in the US is a dream.

Hopefully that makes sense, it *is* 12:45am. Flame on.

You know I bet if Scientist had to present their theories on National Television and Simon, Paula, and the fat black guy were judges american's might actually care.

That or if there was some study that showed increased carbon dioxide levels caused decreased penis size. Fuck, we'd have solar panels everywhere.

 

[Ruptga]

I almost said 3.5, but then I looked at it and thought that they're really the same viewpoint, it's just 4 is denying that the natural cycles have changed at all.

I'm in 3; while volcanoes emit waaaaay more carbon every year than human activity does, "small" changes can make a big difference (small being in quotes because small is relative); but we don't really know how everything is interacting at this point.

I'm far less concerned about climate change than I am about trying to use rainforest land for traditional (Western) agriculture, how common allergies are becoming, or how nasty a city's air is. Basically, we already have a decent grasp on these other things while the study of the entire Earth's climate is a new science and I think we're grasping at straws more than anything. Not only that, understanding and fixing the problems behind all these smaller things is like placing the pieces of a larger puzzle together. I mean have Civilization type games taught us nothing? You just can't develop assembly lines without replaceable parts.

 

[Praxis1452]

Humans may have an impact, but I think our understanding of climate is still relatively new. Very skeptical of the sky is falling warnings. Still, the fact is that humans do produce "large" amounts of CO2, as well as many other lesser known byproducts is a fact.

 

[between]

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[fleabag]

I'm expecting the worse, hoping for the best... so in this case, I'm going to assume the sky will fall.

 

[ShawnD1]

You know I bet if Scientist had to present their theories on National Television and Simon, Paula, and the fat black guy were judges american's might actually care.

People do care a lot about global warming. The problem is that people aren't very smart. Many people like to blindly repeat things and not stop to fact check anything. As an example of this mentality, people still tell me not to put metal in the microwave even though grade 11 science class explicitly states why it's not a problem and mythbusters debunked it several years ago.

That or if there was some study that showed increased carbon dioxide levels caused decreased penis size. Fuck, we'd have solar panels everywhere.

If a dude is relying on penis size to please his woman then he's probably terrible in bed anyway.

 

[0roo0roo]

Not even close to the right answer.

There are really only two camps, one say's "the sky is falling", the other says "show me where".
Al Gore guaranteed it would become political when he did his road show, and set himself up to make millions selling carbon credits. A system, by the way, that is fundamentally flawed. Guess who gets to pollute under that system? Guess who makes buckets of money under that system? Guess who is pushing global warming more than anyone else? I'll make it easy for you, it's all one group.

well there are more than two camps.

even if the sky is falling the "sky is falling camps" solution really is to attempt to build sky scaffolding using lego which is just a bad joke. anyone not believing in their bs solution gets shouted down.

like it or not the 3rd world and the inadequate tech make the entire exercise a pathetic joke. never mind the bs about western nations being asked to send even more money abroad to 3rd world while we have suffering people at home. its like there are no other priorities. the ugly reality is in 30 years we'll be at 9-11 billion people, any improvement from the west is quickly nullified, its just a joke. its like folks that are getting hysterical over their solution to bail out a sinking ship with a dixie cup.

michael cricton did have a point. in his comparison of global warming folks as like a patient with hysterical blindness. the patient comes in calmly and states she is blind, her demeanor does not match her claimed tragedy. those pushing the idea that the world is being destroyed continue to buy bigger houses, go on fancy vacations and the rest of the life style while either doing nothing or buying a few indulgences. their behavior does not match their claims, it seems they do not believe what they say themselves. if you are really believing that you are destroying the world why are you acting that way. and so al gores life style is still one of jetting around the world while using 20 times more energy than the average american just to power one of his homes 20 rooms and a pool says it all. same with the hollywood left and the rest.

this would be l337ness if it weren't for the hypocrisy

 

[Jeff7]

People do care a lot about global warming. The problem is that people aren't very smart. Many people like to blindly repeat things and not stop to fact check anything. As an example of this mentality, people still tell me not to put metal in the microwave even though grade 11 science class explicitly states why it's not a problem and mythbusters debunked it several years ago.

Source? This is the first I've heard of this, either on the 11th grade science class front, or the Mythbusters front.

 

[Tech_savy]

I'll go with camp2.

 

[ShawnD1]

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Source? This is the first I've heard of this, either on the 11th grade science class front, or the Mythbusters front.

http://mythbustersresults.com/episode4

Microwave radiation can vibrate (heat) or ionize electrons in the metal which then generates a voltage. Voltage differences between different pieces of metal can cause arcing. Voltages differences within the same piece of metal turn into heat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven

The effect of microwaving thin metal films can be seen clearly on a Compact Disc or DVD (particularly the factory pressed type). The microwaves induce electric currents in the metal film, which heats up, melting the plastic in the disc and leaving a visible pattern of concentric and radial scars. It can also be illustrated by placing a radiometer inside the cooking chamber, creating plasma inside the vacuum chamber.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple
(heat makes voltage in metals)

 

[iversonyin]

There is no Global Warming in NYC. So Camp 5.

The whole carbon cap and trade is a big scam. Why don't we just CAP carbon emission if we care for it so much? - like how you set MPG standard for automakers - there's no selling extra MPG away to other automakers that not building MPG efficient vehicles.

Global Warming is more like global carbon scamming!

 

[Beev]

Camp 4 for lyfe

 

[ShawnD1]

like how you set MPG standard for automakers - there's no selling extra MPG away to other automakers that not building MPG efficient vehicles.

Actually the mpg standards are set in such a way that you can trade mpg between vehicles. If you build an efficient car like a Prius, you're allowed to build a gas guzzler like the Highlander.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/CARS/rules/CAFE/overview.htm

 

[HardcoreRobot]

not enough evidence, climate too complex a system, we have not been technologically advanced long enough to gather meaningful data. beyond all that, the issue is too socially or politically charged to trust any of the conclusions.

in addition to all that, even if it is 'real', impact will not be very meaningful

 

[olds]

4.5

 

[iversonyin]

Actually the mpg standards are set in such a way that you can trade mpg between vehicles. If you build an efficient car like a Prius, you're allowed to build a gas guzzler like the Highlander.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/CARS/rules/CAFE/overview.htm

Yes, as long as your average meet the standard. But let say Company A average 30 mpg for all the vehicles it built. And Company B average 23 mpg. And the standard is 25 mpg. Company A cannot sell the extra 5 mpg to Company B. But with carbon cap and trade, this can happen.

Going back to automakers scenario, since Company B is in violation with the standard, they would probably have to pay a huge fee or stop producing low MPGs vehicles until the average reaches the standard.

I restate my point that carbon cap and trade is a big scam. Just CAP it like you did with MPG.

 

[bobsmith1492]

I voted for 4, though I can fall between 3 and 5. 5 because it is way too politically-driven with no reference to the actual truth (just like politics in general!) and 3 because some of the data does point toward us being in a warming cycle. That said, it's still sketchy whether or not humans have much of an impact on that cycle.

 

[sao123]

I want to be in camps {4 u 5} simultaineously.