Global Obesity Pandemic Looms, Experts Say

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Amused

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Originally posted by: Furyline
This is ridiculous. How can there be such a pandemic when everyone with half a brain knows the cure?

So you think that obesity only affects people of low intelligence?
 

OS

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Furyline
This is ridiculous. How can there be such a pandemic when everyone with half a brain knows the cure?

So you think that obesity only affects people of low intelligence?

not that i'm taking sides, but there was once an article that showed a correlation between educational level and obesity.
 

OS

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oh yeah as for the original topic, take that Thomas Malthus :D
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Furyline
This is ridiculous. How can there be such a pandemic when everyone with half a brain knows the cure?

So you think that obesity only affects people of low intelligence?

not that i'm taking sides, but there was once an article that showed a correlation between educational level and obesity.

Was there a correlation between intelligence and obesity?

Education has nothing to do with intelligence... as we all should know.

Obesity seems to be somewhat higher among those who make less money, which would probably have something to do with lower education levels. However, I've heard nothing of intelligence levels.

And I have personally known some highly intelligent fat people, and some really fscking stupid skinny people. In fact, I have never in my life (I'm 39) noticed a correlation between intelligence and body type.
 

Amused

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Oh look:

Results: Education and intelligence, analyzed separately, were inversely related to BMI changes in both groups and to the development of obesity in the nonobese group. When adjusted for education, the association between intelligence score and BMI changes and development of obesity vanished, whereas the inverse relationship for education persisted only for BMI changes. Intelligence score was not associated with the persistence of obesity in the obese group, whereas inverse relationships were found for education.

Yep, I was right I guess.

http://www.obesityresearch.org/cgi/content/abstract/11/10/1238
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: Amused
So you think that obesity only affects people of low intelligence?
Fat chance.

 

OS

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Furyline
This is ridiculous. How can there be such a pandemic when everyone with half a brain knows the cure?

So you think that obesity only affects people of low intelligence?

not that i'm taking sides, but there was once an article that showed a correlation between educational level and obesity.

Was there a correlation between intelligence and obesity?

Education has nothing to do with intelligence... as we all should know.

Obesity seems to be somewhat higher among those who make less money, which would probably have something to do with lower education levels. However, I've heard nothing of intelligence levels.

And I have personally known some highly intelligent fat people, and some really fscking stupid skinny people. In fact, I have never in my life (I'm 39) noticed a correlation between intelligence and body type.

education has nothing to do with intelligence?

so would phds and doctors have the same IQ as the population in general?

 

Amused

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Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Furyline
This is ridiculous. How can there be such a pandemic when everyone with half a brain knows the cure?

So you think that obesity only affects people of low intelligence?

not that i'm taking sides, but there was once an article that showed a correlation between educational level and obesity.

Was there a correlation between intelligence and obesity?

Education has nothing to do with intelligence... as we all should know.

Obesity seems to be somewhat higher among those who make less money, which would probably have something to do with lower education levels. However, I've heard nothing of intelligence levels.

And I have personally known some highly intelligent fat people, and some really fscking stupid skinny people. In fact, I have never in my life (I'm 39) noticed a correlation between intelligence and body type.

education has nothing to do with intelligence?

so would phds and doctors have the same IQ as the population in general?

Many intelligent people never get a quality or higher education. Intelligence is genetic, education is not.

Anyhow, I already posted proof that intelligence is not tied to obesity. So I made my point.
 

confused1234

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: futuristicmonkey

Do you know how much energy is in the soda/pop that you drink? Considering that a pound of fat consists of ~3500 Calories and that a can of Pepsi has about 157 Calories in it - that's nearly a 20th of a pound of fat. Now it doesn't seem as significant as it should - but it's the same idea as the Mexican invasion of your nation: its the drops that make the bucket.

Also consider that the drinks people buy when they go to McDonalds, BK, etc..are usually much larger than a 355mL can.

Soda/sweetened drinks existed for more than 70 years before the obesity epidemic started. In bottled form for more than 40 years.

You know what correlates with the epidemic? Diet drinks. Diet drinks started getting popular just a few years before obesity rates started rising. Now, I'm not saying they caused it, but that correlates FAR more than soda and sweetened drinks.

Folks, there is no one food, no one seller, and no one action you can blame this epidemic on. It is the combination of a sedentary lifestyle (the epidemic correlates exactly with the rise in popularity of cable/sat TV, video games and the Internet) and plentiful high quality (calorie) foods.

In fact, the most significant change in foods that correlates with the epidemic is snack foods. As people became more sedentary, the snack food industry exploded.
well trans fat has been around for about 100 years....
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: confused1234

well trans fat has been around for about 100 years....

Really? I thought they started appearing in foods in the 1940s?

At any rate, they far precede the epidemic as well.

Like I said, no single food is to blame. And anyone who does single out a food item or seller is being a simplistic moron.
 

confused1234

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: confused1234

well trans fat has been around for about 100 years....

Really? I thought they started appearing in foods in the 1940s?

At any rate, they far precede the epidemic as well.

Like I said, no single food is to blame. And anyone who does single out a food item or seller is being a simplistic moron.

crisco was being sold in 1911.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: confused1234
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: confused1234

well trans fat has been around for about 100 years....

Really? I thought they started appearing in foods in the 1940s?

At any rate, they far precede the epidemic as well.

Like I said, no single food is to blame. And anyone who does single out a food item or seller is being a simplistic moron.

crisco was being sold in 1911.

But in the same formula?

Crisco was just lard at one time, wasn't it? That's saturated fat, not trans fat.
 

DAGTA

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Stop using corn syrup and partially hydrogenated oils in foods and this trend would slow down or even reverse.
 

confused1234

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: confused1234
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: confused1234

well trans fat has been around for about 100 years....

Really? I thought they started appearing in foods in the 1940s?

At any rate, they far precede the epidemic as well.

Like I said, no single food is to blame. And anyone who does single out a food item or seller is being a simplistic moron.

crisco was being sold in 1911.

But in the same formula?

Crisco was just lard at one time, wasn't it? That's saturated fat, not trans fat.

"Nobel laureate Paul Sabatier worked in the 1890s to develop the chemistry of hydrogenation which enabled the margarine, oil hydrogenation, and synthetic methanol industries.[8] While Sabatier only considered hydrogenation of vapours, the German chemist Wilhelm Normann showed in 1901 that liquid oils could be hydrogenated, and patented the process in 1902[9]. In 1909 Procter & Gamble in Cincinnati acquired the US rights to the Normann patent and in 1911 they began marketing Crisco, the first hydrogenated shortening, which contained a large amount of partially hydrogenated cottonseed oil. Further success came from the marketing technique of giving away free cookbooks with every recipe calling for Crisco. Hydrogenation strongly stimulated whaling, as it made it possible to stabilize whale oil for human consumption.

In the 1950s, advocates said that the trans fats of margarine were healthier than the saturated fats of butter, but this has been proven incorrect. One example of the effects of trans fats vs saturated fats came from the "Walter Willett Nurses Study" (Professor of Medicine, Harvard Medical School). The 14-year study of 80,082 women who were 34 to 59 years of age concluded that a 2% increase in trans fats, compared to the same increase in carbohydrates, increased a woman's risk of heart disease by 19.3%, while the same study found that a 5% increase in saturated fats increased heart disease risk by 17% compared with the same increase in carbohydrates. [10]

The Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) campaigned against fast foods using saturated fats starting in 1984. When fast food companies replaced the saturated fat with trans fat, CSPI's campaign against them ended. CSPI defended trans fats in their 1987 Nutrition Action newsletter. However, by 1992, CSPI began to speak against trans fats and is currently strongly against their use.[11]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat
 

potato28

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Originally posted by: CarlKillerMiller
Did anyone just bust out laughing when they saw the topic summary? It's crazy that that phrase can be used in regard to both obesity and obese people.

:laugh: I thought some crazy fat cult was eating Africa or something...
 

Mr Smiley

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I don't know if this has been posted already. I didn't bother reading most of the posts but...
Its ridiculous that people think that if they eat less carbs that they will lose weight. Eating less carbs will help you lose weight IF YOU EXERCISE! An average health person has to exercise 30 minutes to burn through the carbs and protein before they even start to burn fat! People have to start exercising!
 

spidey07

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While it may sound cruel, I only think mother nature/darwin are at work here.

fat = not good for man. fat people die early. this is good for man.
 

confused1234

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Originally posted by: Mr Smiley
I don't know if this has been posted already. I didn't bother reading most of the posts but...
Its ridiculous that people think that if they eat less carbs that they will lose weight. Eating less carbs will help you lose weight IF YOU EXERCISE! An average health person has to exercise 30 minutes to burn through the carbs and protein before they even start to burn fat! People have to start exercising!

hmm are you talking about lifting weights or running? because for running its for like after 10+miles then it starts to burn the fat
 

Wheezer

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Originally posted by: Furyline
This is ridiculous. How can there be such a pandemic when everyone with half a brain knows the cure?

Because laziness can affect anyone, race, religion, color, intelligence or age does not mattter.

It's easy to eat pre-fab food and sit on your ass an watch tv or surf the net.

It's not easy to fix healthy meals, exercise and take an active role in your own well being.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: confused1234
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: confused1234
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: confused1234

well trans fat has been around for about 100 years....

Really? I thought they started appearing in foods in the 1940s?

At any rate, they far precede the epidemic as well.

Like I said, no single food is to blame. And anyone who does single out a food item or seller is being a simplistic moron.

crisco was being sold in 1911.

But in the same formula?

Crisco was just lard at one time, wasn't it? That's saturated fat, not trans fat.

"Nobel laureate Paul Sabatier worked in the 1890s to develop the chemistry of hydrogenation which enabled the margarine, oil hydrogenation, and synthetic methanol industries.[8] While Sabatier only considered hydrogenation of vapours, the German chemist Wilhelm Normann showed in 1901 that liquid oils could be hydrogenated, and patented the process in 1902[9]. In 1909 Procter & Gamble in Cincinnati acquired the US rights to the Normann patent and in 1911 they began marketing Crisco, the first hydrogenated shortening, which contained a large amount of partially hydrogenated cottonseed oil. Further success came from the marketing technique of giving away free cookbooks with every recipe calling for Crisco. Hydrogenation strongly stimulated whaling, as it made it possible to stabilize whale oil for human consumption.

In the 1950s, advocates said that the trans fats of margarine were healthier than the saturated fats of butter, but this has been proven incorrect. One example of the effects of trans fats vs saturated fats came from the "Walter Willett Nurses Study" (Professor of Medicine, Harvard Medical School). The 14-year study of 80,082 women who were 34 to 59 years of age concluded that a 2% increase in trans fats, compared to the same increase in carbohydrates, increased a woman's risk of heart disease by 19.3%, while the same study found that a 5% increase in saturated fats increased heart disease risk by 17% compared with the same increase in carbohydrates. [10]

The Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) campaigned against fast foods using saturated fats starting in 1984. When fast food companies replaced the saturated fat with trans fat, CSPI's campaign against them ended. CSPI defended trans fats in their 1987 Nutrition Action newsletter. However, by 1992, CSPI began to speak against trans fats and is currently strongly against their use.[11]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat

Ah ha. I was incorrect. At any rate, this even proves my point more. There is no correlation between the introduction of trans fats and the epidemic of obesity.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: confused1234
Originally posted by: Mr Smiley
I don't know if this has been posted already. I didn't bother reading most of the posts but...
Its ridiculous that people think that if they eat less carbs that they will lose weight. Eating less carbs will help you lose weight IF YOU EXERCISE! An average health person has to exercise 30 minutes to burn through the carbs and protein before they even start to burn fat! People have to start exercising!

hmm are you talking about lifting weights or running? because for running its for like after 10+miles then it starts to burn the fat

That's absurd. A person does NOT have to run over ten miles each workout to lose fat.

Fat loss starts after 15-20 minutes of continuous aerobic exercise at your target heart rate or higher.
 
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50% eating too much, 50% lack of exercise

don't eat your fill if you're obese, just eat maybe 2/3 of what you normally eat, and make sure it's healthy food.