IAteYourMother
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umm no. You will lose weight if you eat less than the calories the body burns just through metabolism and basic body functions
umm no. You will lose weight if you eat less than the calories the body burns just through metabolism and basic body functions
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Really? The majority of fat people die before breeding?
Wow. Did you hurt yourself thinking of this?
How about this: We are fat BECAUSE of evolution. Evolution favored people who were better able at storing energy for common famines and times food was scarce. Put these same people in an environment where high quality food is endless and exercise not needed, and they will balloon.
Good point.
I guess I was approaching it from a "sexually desirable qualities" standpoint. You're correct however in that if fat people become desirabl we are doomed.
nono i think were talking about different things. when you run you use a certain type of enerygy thats stored in your muscles(pretty sure is glycerin) and what im saying is that energy source depletes at 10+ miles at which point your bodystarts to burn fat for fuel. i misunderstood you. doing any exercise will help you burn weight, because most people will end up eating less calories then they burn
i hope your not saying that HFCS, trans fat/hydrogenated oil, and msg have no correlation to weight gain
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It's glycogen, and you're wrong:
http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/cardioexercisebasics/a/cardiobasics.htm
They say 20-30 minutes. I've read 15-20 minutes. Either way, that's NOT 10+miles
Wrong
seems like wikipedia says otherwise
"Due to the body's ability to hold no more than around 2,000 kcal of glycogen, marathon runners commonly experience a phenomenon referred to as "hitting the wall" around the 20 mile (32 km) point of a marathon. (Approximately 100 kcal are utilized per mile, depending on the size of the runner and the race course.) When experiencing glycogen debt, runners many times experience fatigue."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycogen
Originally posted by: Amused
That's cool. I just wanted to point out that evolution favored and continues to favor people prone to obesity within our current environment.
Oh man, don't get me started.
You're mixing prodcutivity/modern society with true darwinism. Society is fighting mother nature - pure and simple. She's gonna bite us big time.
We're farging with mother nature and seeing the consequences. You and I could go on and on, but it's a discussion better left to one on one and a few beers. Cheers man. :beer:
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Originally posted by: confused1234
i hope your not saying that HFCS, trans fat/hydrogenated oil, and msg have no correlation to weight gain
No, I'm saying their introduction to society has no correlation to the obesity epidemic. They precede it by decades.
And MSG? Come on.
oh amused i read that article you posted and found out the flaw in it. it says after you workout and then run 30 minutes into your run your glycogen levels are used up.
also msg has been linked to weight gain and being addictive, although it only reacts with 1/4th of the population
also msg has been linked to weight gain and being addictive, although it only reacts with 1/4th of the population
You don't even need to exercise to lose fat. All you need to do is create a caloric deficit. This can be accomplished through either diet or exercise, or a combination of both. You are right, simply cutting carbs isn't going to magically lead to fat loss, but if they cut enough out of their diet to put them in a deficit, then they will lose weight. If they keep this up over a long enough period of time, the deficit will amout to lbs. of fat.
The problem is most people have no idea exactly how many calories they eat in a day and couldn't be bothered to figure out. This is part of the reason why you see people who say "I ride my bike xxx miles/play basketball xx hours per day but still can't lose a lb.". They may be exercising, but if they are not creating a caloric deficit, at the end of the day they aren't going to lose anything.
Yes I realize that certain people have conditions that will render what I described above next to useless, and that genetics will play a role in success.
People who have been eating extremely low calories for an extended period of time may also have problems, but that is a completely different issue.
fine ill give you the msg thing i dont really care about that but i talk a lot with marathoners and did you even read the wikipedia one also theres this
http://www.pfitzinger.com/labreports/eatdrink.shtml
DID YOU EVEN READ IT. your body stores around 2000 calories of glycogen. people(depending on their weight) burn around 110-130 calories an hour. so just by that it would take 15 miles to use up all your glycogen, then after your glycogen is depleted your body starts to use fat for energy. seriously you need to go talk to marothoners and learn what your talking about
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You're reading about people who do gycogen and carb loading before races.
You're also mistaken in thinking there is a switch that is black and white. As your glycogen stores are depleted, your body starts to burn fat. This change over starts long before your glycoen is fully depleted.
Look, google __glycogen +aerobic +"fat loss"__ to see just how wrong you are.
You don't have to burn up all your glycogen before you start tapping into fat stores. For endurance exercise, your body burns some percentage of fat and glycolitic stores. The more intense you go, the more the curve shifts to burning glycolitic energy. A highly trained individual is able to keep using a high percentage of fat at higher exercise intensities than an average person, so they can go longer without bonking.
This varying use of the two fuels is also where the ignorance of the "fat burning zone" came from, as if burning glycogen is a waste of your time and won't ultimately result in fat cells releasing energy to the bloodstream and/or your glycogen-depleted liver & muscles soaking up a bunch of future intake that would have otherwise deposited itself on your ass.
This varying use of the two fuels is also where the ignorance of the "fat burning zone" came from, as if burning glycogen is a waste of your time and won't ultimately result in fat cells releasing energy to the bloodstream and/or your glycogen-depleted liver & muscles soaking up a bunch of future intake that would have otherwise deposited itself on your ass.
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Im sure that body would never let the glycogen completely run out... Besides, what does it matter whether your burning fat or burning glycogen. The end result is the same, right? The energy to fill the glycogen tanks has to come from somewhere, presumably body fat. Unless of course the other method is less efficient than the other.
IAteYourMother
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after your glycogen burns through and you don't keep going and burn your fat, doesn't your body still drawn on fat to replenish glycogen reserves?
And to add to that, if we can't get people to stop reproducing, then I guess obesity will take care of the population control issues (hopefully). Surivial of the fittest! While it sucks if you get left behind. I wonder what will happen first, people exploding from the inside out (imploding?) or WWIII?
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