Given ultimatum at work -what would you do?

[SaDiZTiKStyLeZ]

Fuck your bosses mother.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Fuck your bosses mother.

He doesn't have one. He reproduces by fission, like all bacteria.

 

[Farang]

Your kid has nothing to do with it. The fact that you include your kid in the argument convinces me you're just like any other failed salesman, you blame the company.

I could very well become a failed salesman myself, so I understand where you're coming from. But the basic formula for a sales job is the higher ups basically hire everyone and may the strongest survive. It isn't always fair, there is a lot of luck involved, but what better way do they have of filtering in good people.

 

[slackerinabox]

*Update*
Just made the goal today, with almost 2 weeks to spare. And my client today voluntarily paid me my max fee, which is awesome. His methods continued with an ultimatum last week to everyone - on Friday attendance was abysmal so he emailed everyone saying "it's terrible that no one is in! Because of that you must all write an essay about your business plan for the rest of the month plus list how many deals you will do by 5 pm!" with an implied "or else." I was in at 8:30 am and worked until 7 on a Friday, yet still had to put time aside to write a damn essay instead of working on my ads. Pissed me off so I sent out resumes and had an interview yesterday - was accepted and will start in August. I'm still going to work my ass off for the rest of the month because I have things to pay for.

 

[Krynj]

Good to hear that you made it, but what the fuck is that guy's problem?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Good for you! My essay would have said, "Fuck off, I'm too busy doing real work."

 

[slackerinabox]

Good to hear that you made it, but what the fuck is that guy's problem?

The competitor put it well "Oh, he's just new and scared - he thinks the iron fist will work but you guys are contract workers not 'employees' - I suspect you're not the only one looking for a new gig." The best part of the new company is that they're team based for 6 months so I can spend less money on trial and error learning. It's really frustrating having no one to ask questions to while getting yelled at for not delivering, especially when you're brand new. My first 6 months were BRUTAL.

I think this was a good kick in the pants, but I'm happy to continue my growth elsewhere.

 

[thegimp03]

If you're still doing real estate at your next job, make sure all the clients you've worked with know you're leaving and tell them where you're going. That way they won't return to the company you just left and have to work with the dipshit who was your new manager. Plus, you take business from your old company - win-win.

 

[Fern]

Congrats. You survived one of the worst sales mangers I've ever heard of and got a (hopefully) better job.

Be sure to tell all your clients where they can find you

Fern

 

[BoomerD]

heh...do you work for these guys?

http://www.frontdoor.com/Sell/selling-new-york/55530

Congrats on being able to get out of the toxic environment. While it's true that a bad job is usually better than no job...they take a severe toll on the mental attitude.

 

[slackerinabox]

If you're still doing real estate at your next job, make sure all the clients you've worked with know you're leaving and tell them where you're going. That way they won't return to the company you just left and have to work with the dipshit who was your new manager. Plus, you take business from your old company - win-win.

Yep, I did that from day one - my business card has my website and my email address is my domain. My ads are branded with my site/blog with a subtitle ("A company x agent") and I add every client to my facebook - I think that was a good idea

 

[zinfamous]

ultimatums should always end with a steaming dump on the boss's desk.


eh, and after reading that OP, it seems like new manager deserves a collection of steaming piles on his desk. what a dickscarf.

 

[slackerinabox]

heh...do you work for these guys?

http://www.frontdoor.com/Sell/selling-new-york/55530

Congrats on being able to get out of the toxic environment. While it's true that a bad job is usually better than no job...they take a severe toll on the mental attitude.

Indeed. I've dealt with shitty managers before but in a 9 to 5 with a steady paycheck it's easier to just swallow my pride and accept it.. Here, silly b.s. kills momentum and busy work's (writing essays, etc.) just a total waste of time. God, when he was an assistant manager he made us have hour long meetings where we had to disclose (to other agents - OUR DAMN COMPETITION!) how many ads we ran, how many appointments we had, etc. etc. I guard my numbers with such secrecy while he wanted us to not only waste an hour a week but also spill our guts to the very people we're looking to outdo. Bah, I'll stop venting - I'm going to double his ultimatum before quitting, just as a nice "Yeah, you should have managed me different."

 

[nanette1985]

Congrats on the new job! May it be a better fit for you.

And you've gotten some pretty good stories out of this one


formerly Princess Ida

 

[Wanescotting]

I've worked for <redacted> as a real estate agent in NYC for about 11 months (including 2.5 months for training, so really 8 months on the field). I had zippo prior sales experience so my manager understood that learning was a process, and appreciated my slow but steady growth. Since we pay for all of our individual expenses, taking a rushed approach while not knowing exactly what we're doing would mean I'd blow a lot of cash. I took a measured approach and have shown significant progress. The first 7 months (2.5 of which were training) were indeed very slow - I only made 6 deals during that period (some agents do less, but it's mediocre). I had a lot to learn, but the 4 months after that I've picked up the pace dramatically and have my first $600,000 client plus the referrals are coming, which means my clients love me even though I'm a slow poke right now. I'd rather be slow at first then make a mistake that could cost my clients thousands. Two days ago my manager quit because he did not like how the company was moving. The new manager promptly fired 20 agent and then gave me an ultimatum (and a few other agents) - make x amount of deals by the end of the month or face termination - all while he knew my first child's to be born that very week...

So he told me on the 12th to meet a sales target that was never discussed, mentioned, or even hinted at by the 30th- all while my head is already spinning from all this shit I have to do as a soon-to-be father. What would you do? I've already reached the half way point of this goal, but I'm so pissed off that I want to walk, especially if I make the target (which I will). What are your thoughts? Would would you do?

*Update*
Just made the goal today, with almost 2 weeks to spare. And my client today voluntarily paid me my max fee, which is awesome. His methods continued with an ultimatum last week to everyone - on Friday attendance was abysmal so he emailed everyone saying "it's terrible that no one is in! Because of that you must all write an essay about your business plan for the rest of the month plus list how many deals you will do by 5 pm!" with an implied "or else." I was in at 8:30 am and worked until 7 on a Friday, yet still had to put time aside to write a damn essay instead of working on my ads. Pissed me off so I sent out resumes and had an interview yesterday - was accepted and will start in August. I'm still going to work my ass off for the rest of the month because I have things to pay for.

What a JERK your supervisor is....sounds like he wants results at all costs, and has no intention of building a firm base.

 

[Ghiddy]

The part about the essay seems absolutely retarded. I can't imagine any manager actually asking that. That's begging for the employees to hate you, which is counterproductive.

 

[slackerinabox]

The part about the essay seems absolutely retarded. I can't imagine any manager actually asking that. That's begging for the employees to hate you, which is counterproductive.

My new manager started cracking up when I told him that, and actually called another manager to tell him how goofy that was "during our most busy season! He's firing (instead of hiring) people and having his agents write essays?! during the summer?!!" It was hilarious to any and everyone. Was the final straw to me because he seems to manage from an emotional not logical place.

 

[highland145]

Congrats on the new job! May it be a better fit for you.

And you've gotten some pretty good stories out of this one


formerly Princess Ida

 

[Vette73]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_change

 

[highland145]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_change

Some how, I don't think so. From Ida to Nanette? Maybe Ida to Nate.

 

[rasczak]

glad to hear OP. Hope you bust your old manager's balls after you leave by taking a shit load of new clients from them.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

*Update*
Just made the goal today, with almost 2 weeks to spare. And my client today voluntarily paid me my max fee, which is awesome. His methods continued with an ultimatum last week to everyone - on Friday attendance was abysmal so he emailed everyone saying "it's terrible that no one is in! Because of that you must all write an essay about your business plan for the rest of the month plus list how many deals you will do by 5 pm!" with an implied "or else." I was in at 8:30 am and worked until 7 on a Friday, yet still had to put time aside to write a damn essay instead of working on my ads. Pissed me off so I sent out resumes and had an interview yesterday - was accepted and will start in August. I'm still going to work my ass off for the rest of the month because I have things to pay for.

LOL. He sounds like a real professional Find another job and on your way out rip him a new asshole in the most humiliatingly public fashion possible.

Who actually hired this asshat? hang them out to dry too if you can.

 

[gophins72]

*Update*
Just made the goal today, with almost 2 weeks to spare. And my client today voluntarily paid me my max fee, which is awesome. His methods continued with an ultimatum last week to everyone - on Friday attendance was abysmal so he emailed everyone saying "it's terrible that no one is in! Because of that you must all write an essay about your business plan for the rest of the month plus list how many deals you will do by 5 pm!" with an implied "or else." I was in at 8:30 am and worked until 7 on a Friday, yet still had to put time aside to write a damn essay instead of working on my ads. Pissed me off so I sent out resumes and had an interview yesterday - was accepted and will start in August. I'm still going to work my ass off for the rest of the month because I have things to pay for.

Congrats, nothing more satisfying than meeting an ultimatum *and* leaving.

 

[Zargon]

congrats on the new gig!

 

[BoberFett]

Meh... you're a realtor. You're an independent contractor. Peoeple call YOU. Not the office. If your broker is being a shit move to a different office. Once the move is settled email everyone in your contact list to tell them the great news.

"I just wanted to tell you the great news. As of xx/xx/xxxx I will be joining the team at (whatever, inc). Their resources and expertise have been serving the greater city area for eleventy million years and I'm thrilled to be a part of this team... blah blah etc."

This. All of this talk about firing and bosses and ultimatums and paternity leave confused me, and shows most people in this thread don't know anything about real estate. Agencies and Realtors are not the typical employer/employee relationship. Sure, the agency can decide to get rid of you just by saying they don't want to hold your license anymore, but you just take your clients and go somewhere else.