Give me a reason to start using Linux.

[n0cmonkey]

I don't use vim. vi is all I need 😀

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

I've found it's a waste of time and frustrating to try and show people "the light." If they need reasons, let them find them on their own. In the meantime you can get worthwhile things done on your useless, hard to use linux machine 😉

 

[Twista]

none.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Twista
none.

Yeah, no reason to waste your time learning something new, when you can be enlightening yourself with other things

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: Twista
none.

Yeah, no reason to waste your time learning something new, when you can be enlightening yourself with other things

Hosted by tripod........ Maybe I'm just tired 😛

I had to cut and paste the link. Not that it makes any more sense.....

 

[CTho9305]

It's just a pic of a modded case (?)

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: Twista
none.

Yeah, no reason to waste your time learning something new, when you can be enlightening yourself with other things

Blue lights are teh leet.

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: rmrf
There is no need to torture yourself for 4 years trying to learn something that you hate. If you go into it with an open mind, and are willing to learn, you might actually get something out of it.

Im willing to learn, it`ll be a good way to try out, and hopefully gain experiance with more OS`s than just windows. Could come in handy in future careers (still in college).

Oh and...just burning Knoppix now.
I`ll report back with what i think tomorrow night.

 

[Nothinman]

I think the idea was that plenty of people spend their time doing things a lot less usefull, like case modding. Instead of figuring out how to mount the spiderman emblem on the front of your new case it might be worthwhile to learn something new like Linux.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
I think the idea was that plenty of people spend their time doing things a lot less usefull, like case modding. Instead of figuring out how to mount the spiderman emblem on the front of your new case it might be worthwhile to learn something new like Linux.

You put that into words better than I ever could. 🙂

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
I think the idea was that plenty of people spend their time doing things a lot less usefull, like case modding. Instead of figuring out how to mount the spiderman emblem on the front of your new case it might be worthwhile to learn something new like Linux.

Thanks for the Cliff's Notes 🙂

That was really deep and inspirational.....

 

[batmang]

heres how i basically see it. if your raised on linux you will never use windows. if your raised on windows and try and use linux, u'll prolly blow your brains out from frustration.

linux is great for servers, but thats all. for an everyday at home desktop, its pretty limited when it comes to games and doing simple tasks like installing additional programs. to even update your drivers for your video card you'd have to recompile your entire kernal, which is cake as long as you know how to do it, but if your new to linux and you try compiling your kernal, you might as well get your cds out and prepare for a reinstall. linux sucks if your new to it, especially if your from a windows background. i personally would never ever use linux as an everyday desktop at home. i did once use linux as a desktop, only because quake 3 is linux native. quake 3 gets way more fps in linux then in windows. but once i got my new machine, i ditched linux and cried of joy to be on windows again. linux may be stable, and a great os for servers, but for a desktop, GOD NO.

 

[batmang]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
I think the idea was that plenty of people spend their time doing things a lot less usefull, like case modding. Instead of figuring out how to mount the spiderman emblem on the front of your new case it might be worthwhile to learn something new like Linux.

prolly because they've already installed windows along with all the apps they needed, and had the extra time to mod their case. whereas with linux they'd still be installing their drivers.

i do admit, you should learn it, cause your going to see it in the world of computers especially if you get a job in the tech field. but dont bother using it as an everyday OS, its not made for that, and all these emulated programs linux has really suck. its got its pros and cons, but compared to windows it gets owned all over the place. very simple things like playing mp3s, watching different types of videos, mpegs/avi/mov/asf, playing open gl games, playing direct 3d games. things like that, it cant do after installing simple drivers, no no, you gotta recompile EVERYTHING. thats ghetto.

 

[Nothinman]

prolly because they've already installed windows along with all the apps they needed, and had the extra time to mod their case. whereas with linux they'd still be installing their drivers. :\

If they took the time to read the docs the driver installs would be simple, I know it never takes me more than an hour or so to install Linux on a relatively fast machine. And the best part is there's never a need to reinstall and upgrades are seamless (with some distros), I've had the same Debian install for ~4 years now, how many people can say that about Windows? And on top of that all the apps I need are free, not "just download a crack" free either.

but dont bother using it as an everyday OS, its not made for that, and all these emulated programs linux has really suck

I use it as an every day OS and find the free counterparts of Windows programs to be better than the Windows versions in almost every case. Galeon, XChat, Evolution, xmms, gkrellm, etc.

its got its pros and cons, but compared to windows it gets owned all over the place. very simple things like playing mp3s, watching different types of videos, mpegs/avi/mov/asf, playing open gl games, playing direct 3d games. things like that, it cant do after installing simple drivers, no no, you gotta recompile EVERYTHING. thats ghetto.

The only thing that might not work well is playing Direct3D games, which I don't do so I couldn't care less. But I watch all kinds of movies, DVDs, play mp3s and everything else you might think of without compiling a single piece of software. Please don't speak about things you obviously don't know about, you're just spreading FUD and looking like an idiot.

 

[batmang]

ok, look at it like this. if you grew up learning windows before anything else, trying to learn linux is just plain frustrating and so annoying. i know cause ive been there. it took me about a good year of troubleshooting and reading to learn linux well. i WANTED to learn it, and im so glad i did cause its all over my workplace. but if someone is planning on using it as a desktop after being on windows for years, its gonna be a long hard learning process which requires a lot of time and patience. and btw, heres a good example of why I think linux is crap as a desktop:

link

 

[Nothinman]

ok, look at it like this. if you grew up learning windows before anything else, trying to learn linux is just plain frustrating and so annoying.

I did "grow up" on Windows, I didn't get into Linux until I was out of high school and I wouldn't say I had gotten proficient until I had a job with computers already.

its gonna be a long hard learning process which requires a lot of time and patience

Noone said it was simple, if you think you can just switch OSes without any effort you're fooling yourself.

and btw, heres a good example of why I think linux is crap as a desktop:

No, all that is is an example of you being an asshole and crapping on someone's thread.

I had a notebook at work with Win2k that wouldn't allow you to drag and drop files in explorer, does that instantly make Windows a crap desktop? We also have some machines that you can't get to the display properties on because of crap drivers, does that make Windows a crap desktop?

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: batmang
heres how i basically see it. if your raised on linux you will never use windows. if your raised on windows and try and use linux, u'll prolly blow your brains out from frustration.

linux is great for servers, but thats all. for an everyday at home desktop, its pretty limited when it comes to games and doing simple tasks like installing additional programs. to even update your drivers for your video card you'd have to recompile your entire kernal, which is cake as long as you know how to do it, but if your new to linux and you try compiling your kernal, you might as well get your cds out and prepare for a reinstall. linux sucks if your new to it, especially if your from a windows background. i personally would never ever use linux as an everyday desktop at home. i did once use linux as a desktop, only because quake 3 is linux native. quake 3 gets way more fps in linux then in windows. but once i got my new machine, i ditched linux and cried of joy to be on windows again. linux may be stable, and a great os for servers, but for a desktop, GOD NO.

Please, it's very obvious you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Coldfusion]

If you're looking for reasons to switch and don't currently have any, than it's pretty hard to justify, as your current OS is doing what you need it to do.

My primary desktop is Linux, and contrary to some (obviously ignorant) people's remarks, it works just fine...the only thing lacking is games. I concur that the Linux equivalents of many programs are better or as good. This is not to say there aren't disadvantages.

Advantages: Stable, fast, no need to worry about windows viruses or worms. Many programs available for common tasks, most of which are free. Perhaps the greatest advantage though is the customizability. You don't like your window manager? Download another one. You don't like your browser? Download another one. Almost everything is configurable. Look at windows and look at a customized Linux desktop...there's NO comparison...

Disadvantages: More difficult to configure than current iterations of Windows. Ease of use equal to about Windows 3.1. Remember adding devices before plug and pray? That's what you get with linux. Some programs/types not available.

Windows Program/Linux Equivalent
Office/OpenOffice.org
Winamp/XMMS
Quicken/Gnucash
Outlook/Evolution
Internet Explorer/Mozilla
Instant messenger/GAIM
Photoshop/GiMP

 

[civad]

originally posted by: BBWF
I've found it's a waste of time and frustrating to try and show people "the light." If they need reasons, let them find them on their own. In the meantime you can get worthwhile things done on your useless, hard to use linux machine

Absolutely.

I have been asking a friend of mine to give Linux a try. He even has a knoppix cd in his laptop case 🙂
Recently he was asked by his boss to install bugzilla. Since this guy was smart (after all, he is my friend 🙂), he did a 'dry run' i.e after READING the docs, he gave linux a try with knoppix (his bo$$es were impressed, he says 🙂) and within a week, he has a machine dedicated to the task.

I needed to get rid of windows from my machine. That was my reason for using linux. My friend's need was different.

 

[HKSturboKID]

My point of view is since we all are bought up using windows, thats why we thing linux/unix is hard to learn. If it was the other way around, I am sure that people that hate linux/unix now will look at it differently. After all, unix has been around longer then Win OS.

My 2 cents.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Spyro
If you don't use photoshop then what are comparing the GIMP too, MS Paint 😀 The GIMP can do everything that photoshop can do, and a lot of big companies use it, but that's O.k. You can use TuxPaint if you need a simple Paint program 🙂

Please don't try to talk about stuff that you are clueless about. GIMP's capabilities < Photoshop's capabilities. Prepress, color matching, color stuff in general (CMYK, RGB, LAB, etc. can be used in Photoshop, in both 8 and 16 bits per channel configurations), and other little features differentiate Photoshop from the GIMP. Fortunately, I learned recently that Photoshop works well under WINE, so now (assuming I can get printing to work ok; I had trouble last time I tried to set it up in Linux, but I'm afraid that was a PEBCAK error 😱) I do not have any reasons not to run Linux as a main OS. 🙂

Edit: Yes, a lot depends on what you were brought up on. Since my parents were a little far behind the curve with computer technology (my dad had an IBM PS/2, and I had an IBM PS/1 - both were in service until sometime in 1996, when I got enough money and knowledge to build a new computer), I started learning with DOS. Trust me, if a 5 year old can learn enough DOS commands to get around a computer well and even write basic batch files (that's how old I was when I started learning, 11 years ago), then you can do it, too. 🙂

 

[Spyro]

Please don't try to talk about stuff that you are clueless about.

But then how will I ever learn otherwise? 😛

GIMP's capabilities < Photoshop's capabilities. Prepress, color matching, color stuff in general (CMYK, RGB, LAB, etc. can be used in Photoshop, in both 8 and 16 bits per channel configurations), and other little features differentiate Photoshop from the GIMP.

I humbly bow before the voice of experience.

I started learning with DOS. Trust me, if a 5 year old can learn enough DOS commands to get around a computer well and even write basic batch files (that's how old I was when I started learning, 11 years ago), then you can do it, too. 🙂

I did too 🙂 As a matter of fact I was *attempting* to create adventure games at the age of 8 😀

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

I started computing with DOS and windows 3.1 back in the day. In my experience, kids raised in a DOS environment can adapt to linux much easier. 🙂

 

[Sunner]

First computer I got my hands on was an Apple Lisa 🙂

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
I started computing with DOS and windows 3.1 back in the day. In my experience, kids raised in a DOS environment can adapt to linux much easier. 🙂

I was "brought up" on DOS.

Anyway.
Ive now burned and tryed out Knoppix. Now........its pretty good. Its a bit of a pain in the a$$ to access things that should be easy to access, but apart from that and a few hardware problems, it seems ok.

Do any of you lot have an idea how to get the following hardware working with it:?
ADSL USB Modem
SB Audigy.

It knows that they are there, but i cant work out how to set them up, it just says no modem and no sound card when i try to use either of them.

Not too concerned about video drivers. I might start using it as a "internet" OS. Something i can use to use the internet on, for browsing. For now.