Gingrich surges into Second in GOP Primaries

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RampantAndroid

RampantAndroid

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matt0611 said:
Ginrich is no conservative. Cap n' Trade, individual mandate, admires FDR (think his face should go up on Mt Rushmore LOL), won't cut anything, just another big government republican who thinks he can run "big government" better than the democrats.

No thanks.
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Gingrich is for cap and trade? Where the hell do you get your info? He argued AGAINST it and AGAINST Gore about two years ago.
 
Fern

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K1052 said:
Being neither Democrat or Republican I have no such motivation. I merely stated the fact that Romney stands the only chance against Obama. The rest of the candidates are a horror show of extremist views, closets full of skeletons, and general stupidity. Can you imagine the debates against Obama with anyone else up for the nomination, it would be like shooting fish in a barrel with a howitzer.
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Yeah. I can imagine Gingrich in a debate with Obama. But the one playing the 'fish' part isn't who you think.

Fern
 
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fskimospy

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Fern said:
Yeah. I can imagine Gingrich in a debate with Obama. But the one playing the 'fish' part isn't who you think.

Fern
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Gingrich is intensely unlikeable in debates, he basically just talks shit to everyone. While I can certainly see why this would appeal to a Republican base that desperately wants to fight the Democrats and the media, he will be an enormous turn off to other voters.

Once people remember why they didn't like Gingrich before, he will also recede into the not-Romney noise.
 
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RampantAndroid said:
Gingrich is for cap and trade? Where the hell do you get your info? He argued AGAINST it and AGAINST Gore about two years ago.
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He flip flopped on cap and trade a few years back, but he was a big fan of of it as recently as 2007 and he even made a global warming campaign ad with Nancy Pelosi directing you to a website that supported cap and trade.
 
K1052

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Fern said:
Yeah. I can imagine Gingrich in a debate with Obama. But the one playing the 'fish' part isn't who you think.

Fern
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A dead body has more positive charisma than Newt has displayed in his entire life. He can be articulate and has experience but pretty much an asshole, an unabashed one at that.
 
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He may be intensely unlikeable to you, but it appears to me his popularity is improving precisely because of his debate performances.

It remains to be seen if independents will see him the same that Progressives/lefties do.

I thought he was a pompous azz back when he was Speaker. But I think he's matured and learned some discipline. I'm not so sure his debate performance will be a problem. The baggage in his personal life might be, but then again it might not. It's well known by now, attitudes have changed, and many may be too worried about the economy to bother with it much. However, if Gingrich is nominated I fully expect the Dems/Progressives/Liberals to be motivated to get out and vote against him. You guys intensely hate him, and have for a long time.

Fern
 
zinfamous

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Christopher Hitchens is one of the best debaters anywhere, if not the best.

Doesn't change the fact that almost no one likes him.

The funny thing, I didn't even realize Gingrich was still campaigning. I though he dropped out when his entire staff quit about 2 weeks in. haha.
 
K1052

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I never hated Newt. I may think he is moral and ethical slime but I don't hate him.

He's doing better because everyone else (except Romney) is now doing worse.
 
CallMeJoe

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Mr. Gingrich benefits greatly from the large-field format of these debates, with the time limits holding him to terse, concise, focused answers.
It's when he gets time to expand on his ideas that an humble account of his personal weakness leads to "There’s no question at times of my life, partially driven by how passionately I felt about this country, that I worked far too hard and things happened in my life that were not appropriate." It's when he gets up a head of steam that he declares his own hack work "the most thorough statement of the Constitution and balance of power I think that`s been written by a political figure since Lincoln`s first inaugural in 1861." When Mr. Gingrich gets more time to ramble and becomes more effusive it's hard to predict what he'll say.
 
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Fern said:
He may be intensely unlikeable to you, but it appears to me his popularity is improving precisely because of his debate performances.
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Well, if you mean because he hasn't demonstrated himself to be a looneytune, you'd be correct.

The base doesn't want Romney or Huntsman. They never will. They want somebody else. They wanted Perry, except he's demonstrated that he's too nuts. They wanted Cain, except for the same thing. Bachmann has been the fringe mascot all along. Paul's version of freedom isn't theirs, at all. Gingrich is who's left.

Well, him and Rick Parry, the generic Repub nominee who doesn't exist.

Anybody who thinks Obama can't handle himself is delirious, obviously didn't watch his encounter with the House Repub caucus. After it was over, Repubs declined any further discussions of that sort, and it wasn't because they'd walked away as winners. They need to control the message to be effective, and that won't happen in a debate format with third party questions, at all.
 
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Fern said:
He may be intensely unlikeable to you, but it appears to me his popularity is improving precisely because of his debate performances.

It remains to be seen if independents will see him the same that Progressives/lefties do.

I thought he was a pompous azz back when he was Speaker. But I think he's matured and learned some discipline. I'm not so sure his debate performance will be a problem. The baggage in his personal life might be, but then again it might not. It's well known by now, attitudes have changed, and many may be too worried about the economy to bother with it much. However, if Gingrich is nominated I fully expect the Dems/Progressives/Liberals to be motivated to get out and vote against him. You guys intensely hate him, and have for a long time.

Fern
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I actually don't personally find him that unlikeable, as I'm sort of an ass in the same way. His negatives for the general population are sky high though, he is generally greatly disliked. I don't think that progressives think that much about him either, as he's been such a non factor for so many years.

Anyways, long story short I am not worried in the slightest about a Newt Gingrich candidacy. Not only will he not win the Republican nomination, but if he were to somehow pull that off, Obama will wipe the floor with him. Newt just doesn't have what it takes to keep up in a real election.
 
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zinfamous

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eskimospy said:
I actually don't personally find him that unlikeable, as I'm sort of an ass in the same way.
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:D takes one to know one, I guess. :)


I think this will help the conservatives to understand the situation:

Think about Hillary Clinton. Give it a few minutes.

seriously.

Now, take those emotions that are swelling in you right now, and understand that this what Gingrich engenders to the majority voting public: independents and democrats.
 
hal2kilo

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His appeal and main debate technique is attacking his moderators/media not his other opponents. Of course that may be the best strategy considering the clown car assembly of opponents.

Gingrich has more skeletons in his closet than Bill Clinton.

BuBye!
 
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Fern said:
He may be intensely unlikeable to you, but it appears to me his popularity is improving precisely because of his debate performances.

It remains to be seen if independents will see him the same that Progressives/lefties do.

I thought he was a pompous azz back when he was Speaker. But I think he's matured and learned some discipline. I'm not so sure his debate performance will be a problem. The baggage in his personal life might be, but then again it might not. It's well known by now, attitudes have changed, and many may be too worried about the economy to bother with it much. However, if Gingrich is nominated I fully expect the Dems/Progressives/Liberals to be motivated to get out and vote against him. You guys intensely hate him, and have for a long time.

Fern
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I wonder if picking someone with mostly right-wing appeal is a good idea for the Republicans in 2012. It seems like now would be a good time for them to try to peel off some moderate and liberal support from Obama. I understand the need to energize and motivate the base, but it seems like that's equally likely to energize and motivate the base on the other side who may not love their candidate, but absolutely can't stand the Republican one.

Gingrich seems like the worst of both worlds. He's not very likely to appeal to anyone with a lefty bent, but he's also not an ideal candidate to energize the Republican base with his less than spectacular social conservative appeal.
 
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