Your moral outrage is way over the top in my opinion. Who are you to judge the severity of the crimes of others or pronounce without objective judgment and trial. Do we even know if the wives of these men had given permission, out of 'love' or not wanting them f@cking with them? If I were to agree with your assessment I would have to question my judgment as an objective person and fortunately or unfortunately, in fact, I do completely agree, except I would more likely call them puss sacks. I need to see a shrink.
Your moral outrage is way over the top in my opinion. Who are you to judge the severity of the crimes of others or pronounce without objective judgment and trial. Do we even know if the wives of these men had given permission, out of 'love' or not wanting them f@cking with them? If I were to agree with your assessment I would have to question my judgment as an objective person and fortunately or unfortunately, in fact, I do completely agree, except I would more likely call them puss sacks. I need to see a shrink.
too funny to see libs pointing their fingers saying "naughty naughty" when it comes to newt while in the same breath saying "it's just a blowjob" when it comes to willy. typical hypocrisy from the left
they're both morally inept. you were able to get over clinton, so get over newt in the same fashion.
they're both morally inept. you were able to get over clinton, so get over newt in the same fashion.
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I remain absolutely astonished at posters excusing Gingrich's behavior essentially claiming it's OK because he's no worse than Clinton.
Look at the behavior that has been established for Gingrich. Disregard for the moment whether or not the behavior is illegal-but ask yourself does this person have suffiicient moral character to hold any public office (mush less President)? I think I can honestly answer that question ABSOLUTELY NOT, regardless of his political positions. The man is just too much of a scum for me to ever accept as the leader of the free world.
Look at the behavior that has been established for Gingrich. Disregard for the moment whether or not the behavior is illegal-but ask yourself does this person have suffiicient moral character to hold any public office (mush less President)? I think I can honestly answer that question ABSOLUTELY NOT, regardless of his political positions. The man is just too much of a scum for me to ever accept as the leader of the free world.
And not just Gingrich. There were other Repugs who were wagging their fingers while behaving disgracefully behind the scenes. The Party of "Family Values". Yeah, incestuous families perhaps.
On topic? Try again, smart guy.
On topic is this:
1. It definitively confirmed that Newt is a piece of garbage
2. Any bizarre ideas about him running for pres are now slapped silly and put to rest.
Now carry on with your ludicrous defense of this piece of crap.
I do see a distinction between lying to protect your family about something that isn't really wasn't anybody else's business and leading the charge to ruin someone for doing exactly what you are doing.
I certainly don't blame Clinton for trying to spare his family the emotional distress it caused them, but I do blame the hypocrits and those that attempt to defend such hypocrisy.
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: senseamp
Except Clinton was acquitted, and it's PMITA butter jelly time for Libby
So the Dem walks free and the Rep burns at a stake. Sounds like politics as usual.
Tell all the dead people that, you'll get as much symapthy from them as you will me.
Clinton had an opportunity to refuse to answer whether he had had sex with I now forget who. He said that he did not. He was an arrogant butt-hole who thought he could lie and tough it out. He thought he would look better denying what was true than refusing to say. He chose to attempt to look innocent rather than guilty. He was a moral pig, in my opinion. He didn't just want to protect his family, he wanted everything both ways and to save his own face.
I've know a lot of "moral pigs" who can't think with their "right head" when they have a chance to get a little free stuff. I think every one of them lies about it when confronted, but being confronted about it while under oath doesn't happen to most people. Maybe in divorce cases, but that would be it. I willing to give him the benifit of the doubt that he lied under oath more to try and protect his family rather then himself.
I guess somehow, somewhere in my head I don't have a problem with lying to someone who is asking me questions I feel he really has no business asking in the first place. Yes, he should have refused to answer and yes, it was largely protecting his ego that motivated him to lie, but part of that ego is also his personal pride in raising AND protecting his family, so I say let those with no sin cast the first stone and that sure as hell wasn't Newt!!
I guess I do have that problem and I guess it cost me everything I ever values and I guess what it brought me is, in my opinion, worth more than all I ever had before in the way of self respect because I do think I am honest. And that honesty keeps me from having to hide anything from my family. I can hold up my own head. Perhaps, however, I am not as modest as I could be.
Here, however, I am expressing my contempt for what Clinton's ego cost us in the loss of Al Gore. That ass cost him the Presidency and we got the Ultimate Disaster instead. And it was self deception, the seeking of self satisfaction and the hope of hiding it, the reliance of dishonesty for ones own ends, that cost those families all that pain ultimately. It's a scummy way of living, in my opinion. These guys know their lives and example are high stakes.
As for casting stones, I would say something else to these men personally than I have said here. I do not believe in choice or guilt. We have done only what we were compelled to do because we are unconscious of our motivations and the origin of our 'sinful' needs. All our hate and contempt for others is out contempt for what they remind ourselves about us.
Maybe I can add that I did not vote for Clinton because I felt he could do exactly what he did. His reputation preceded his election.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I guess I do have that problem and I guess it cost me everything I ever values and I guess what it brought me is, in my opinion, worth more than all I ever had before in the way of self respect because I do think I am honest. And that honesty keeps me from having to hide anything from my family. I can hold up my own head. Perhaps, however, I am not as modest as I could be.
Here, however, I am expressing my contempt for what Clinton's ego cost us in the loss of Al Gore. That ass cost him the Presidency and we got the Ultimate Disaster instead. And it was self deception, the seeking of self satisfaction and the hope of hiding it, the reliance of dishonesty for ones own ends, that cost those families all that pain ultimately. It's a scummy way of living, in my opinion. These guys know their lives and example are high stakes.
As for casting stones, I would say something else to these men personally than I have said here. I do not believe in choice or guilt. We have done only what we were compelled to do because we are unconscious of our motivations and the origin of our 'sinful' needs. All our hate and contempt for others is out contempt for what they remind ourselves about us.
Maybe I can add that I did not vote for Clinton because I felt he could do exactly what he did.
His reputation preceded his election.
but he was good for the Country, certainly can't say that about Bush.
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Instead of putting all the blame on Clinton, it would be wise to acknowledge that Gore also distanced himself from Clinton and did not let Clinton stump for his candidacy. Whether Gore realized it or not Clinton, despite everything, was still very popular (and still is today) and maybe could have helped Gore just enough to tip him over the edge and this Texan could have continued wielding his chainsaw around his ranch.
dennilfloss
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Sure, but why did he feel compelled, or his advisers feel he needed to distance himself in the first place. Clinton gave the family values issue to the Republicans where it should not belong.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I guess I do have that problem and I guess it cost me everything I ever values and I guess what it brought me is, in my opinion, worth more than all I ever had before in the way of self respect because I do think I am honest. And that honesty keeps me from having to hide anything from my family. I can hold up my own head. Perhaps, however, I am not as modest as I could be.
Here, however, I am expressing my contempt for what Clinton's ego cost us in the loss of Al Gore. That ass cost him the Presidency and we got the Ultimate Disaster instead. And it was self deception, the seeking of self satisfaction and the hope of hiding it, the reliance of dishonesty for ones own ends, that cost those families all that pain ultimately. It's a scummy way of living, in my opinion. These guys know their lives and example are high stakes.
As for casting stones, I would say something else to these men personally than I have said here. I do not believe in choice or guilt. We have done only what we were compelled to do because we are unconscious of our motivations and the origin of our 'sinful' needs. All our hate and contempt for others is out contempt for what they remind ourselves about us.
Maybe I can add that I did not vote for Clinton because I felt he could do exactly what he did.
His reputation preceded his election.
but he was good for the Country, certainly can't say that about Bush.
I don't disagree. I would vote for Clinton over Bush any day of the week. But his need to affirm his self esteem through sex cost this country dearly. You can't be as smart as Clinton and not be able to predict the price you would pay if caught out. And this on top of countless other affairs. You have to be a truly colossal asshole to risk the reputation of the whole nation like that. Clinton is a blot on the Presidency of the US, regardless of whatever else he is. His cum is still on our dress.
It is just too bad that the Congress wasn't all asked when Clinton was, if they were having sex outside of their marriages. Do you think Gingrich would not have perjured himself too. Hehe, but he had no problem going after that lying Clinton.
You have to take the good with the bad and Clinton's good outweighed the bad IMO. I wouldn't want to be married to someone like that but that is up to Hillary, not me. She must see more good then bad in him too??
I used to feel like you, but my neighbor made an off the cuff comment once that made me think. He said that when half the world was created just to fvck the other half that there's going to be problems. It's just a fact of life.
I've known couples where one of them was a slut and they had rocky marragies that ended in divorce, but I've known them such couples to have very good, happy relationships also. I don't feel it's up to us to judge, it's their lives and they have to live them the way they see fit.
In retrospect, I'm also not so sure that Gore's decesion to distance himself from Clinton was a smart move either. It's all water under the bridge now anyway, so......
I used to feel like you, but my neighbor made an off the cuff comment once that made me think. He said that when half the world was created just to fvck the other half that there's going to be problems. It's just a fact of life.
I've known couples where one of them was a slut and they had rocky marragies that ended in divorce, but I've known them such couples to have very good, happy relationships also. I don't feel it's up to us to judge, it's their lives and they have to live them the way they see fit.
In retrospect, I'm also not so sure that Gore's decesion to distance himself from Clinton was a smart move either. It's all water under the bridge now anyway, so......
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