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Ghosting in 2005fpw?

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stanleyleecm

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I am about to replace my 19" NEC Diamond pro 930SB CRT with the new dell 2005fpw LCD. The only concern about it is the ghosting on the new LCD. So I am just wondering is ghosting very noticeable on the 2005fpw for those of you who are using it or knows about it. I just don't want to get a new and bigger LCD that will disappoint me when I am gaming, because I spend about 3hrs on BF2 and CSS each day.
 
i can attest there is not much if any ghosting at all on this moniter.

i play cs: s, utxmp, and guild wars regularly.

i think you will be happy with it.
 
Originally posted by: Tyrant222
i can attest there is not much if any ghosting at all on this moniter.

i play cs: s, utxmp, and guild wars regularly.

i think you will be happy with it.
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:thumbsup:

I don't do much gaming at the moment, but I do from time to time (mostly UT and HL2). I'd be lying if I said I didn't notice any ghosting (although motion blur is probably the more correct term), but it's very minimal. I very much prefer my 2005FPW to the huge high-end CRT I had before.
 
Yes, "Motion Blur" IS what you should be saying, ghosting is something completely different. But this monitor has no noticible Motion Blur that I can see when I play HL2, WoW, CoR, etc. GORGEOUS monitor BTW
 
my usual reply, if you play games like CS:S at a highly competitive level then it can impact on your gaming.......certainly in comparison to a CRT.....

if however you just play the games for fun then go for it, the 2005 does sound like a damn good monitor for a flat panel....

 
Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
my usual reply, if you play games like CS:S at a highly competitive level then it can impact on your gaming.......certainly in comparison to a CRT.....

if however you just play the games for fun then go for it, the 2005 does sound like a damn good monitor for a flat panel....
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If you play any pc games at a highly competitive level, you are a loser and should just shoot yourself.

The 2005fpw is a great monitor. Get it.
 
Originally posted by: peleejosh
Originally posted by: knyghtbyte
my usual reply, if you play games like CS:S at a highly competitive level then it can impact on your gaming.......certainly in comparison to a CRT.....

if however you just play the games for fun then go for it, the 2005 does sound like a damn good monitor for a flat panel....
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If you play any pc games at a highly competitive level, you are a loser and should just shoot yourself.
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Tell that to the guys that make $100,000 a year playing games.

Or better yet tell that to Fatality. You know, the guy that gets paid just to show up and play a game and has a motherboard and sound card named after him.
 
Ghosting is a term describing how analog images "interfere" and look double. LCD via DVI will never have ghosting. As for motion blur (referred to by Response Time), well, I have a 12ms. (TrTf[black-to-white-to-black]) LCD and it doesn't bother me too much, except when scrolling around on a tank in Battlefield 2, for example.

For some reason I couldn't find response time on Dell's site. The 2005FPW's panel (LG LM201W01 on following page) lists its response time as 16ms. (I'm guessing that's TrTf vs. G-to-G). Not bad at all for an 8-bit S-IPS panel.

http://www.lgphilips-lcd.co.kr/homeContain/jsp/kor/prd/prd200_j_k.jsp

I believe that the motion blur the S-IPS/S-PVA panels exhibit isn't as bad as their TN counterparts. Don't hold me to it, but I've heard the smearing is dark rather than lighter either because the Tf (fall) is slower on those panels or because those panels don't need the light blocking chemical.

Anyway, I'd say go for it. Worst case scenario you can just return it under Dell's 30-day Satisfaction Guarantee policy.
 
Originally posted by: stanleyleecm
Thanks, yeah the dell is 16ms. should I get the NEC diamondpro 22" or go with the 2005fpw?
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For gaming, I'd say the CRT. But if you want a very good CRT you should get a *tron (Aperature Grille) one. However you may want to try the LCD and return it if you don't like it. Depending on the person, you may favor the LCD's sharper image, perfect geometry and text. Other than the small motion blur that does exist on my 17", I have little problem with it. I'm immersed in the game so much I don't pay attention, unless of course I'm looking for flags to capture and they smear quite bad over the blue sky. My LCD (Samsung 710t) isn't top-of-the-line anymore though, so I can't comment on current
ones.

For gaming the 19" Samsung SyncMaster 193P+ may have less blur, because it uses Overdrive.
 
Yea, the reason I jump to LCD is because I am getting very blury text when I do 1600x1200 in my 19" diamond pro. But it is perfectly clear and crisp under 1280x1024. And personally, I like to work on 1600x1200 resolution so I am still debating to get the LCD or the CRT which will looks good on 1600x1200.

Thanks
 
Originally posted by: stanleyleecm
Thanks, yeah the dell is 16ms. should I get the NEC diamondpro 22" or go with the 2005fpw?
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It really depends, CRT/LCD is largely a personal preference thing these days...

That said, I have owned both. I ordered the NEC 22" (2070SB-BK) last December because my old 17" CRT wasn't cutting it anymore. I loved the super-high refresh rates...gaming at 1600x1200@109Hz is unreal. But...the actual image quality (as far as focus/clarity) actually left something to be desired. It just wasn't as sharp as I wanted it to be (even at lower refresh rates). I went so far as to RMA the monitor and get a replacement, and test both with different video cards...but I saw the same issue all those times. YMMV on that obviously, but IMO it just wasn't that good if you were going to be spending any decent amount of time reading webpages or doing other text-filled applications.

So I sent the CRT back and ordered the 2005FPW...couldn't be happier. The image and text clarity over DVI is absolutely perfect, not to mention perfect geometry (which I couldn't get to my satisfaction on the CRT no matter how much I tweaked the many settings). There is a tiny bit of motion blur, but it's not bad at all (and I'm somewhat picky). It's a great monitor for gaming, as well as text, and other things (DVD/HDTV watching also). Not to mention that it weighs about 50 pounds less than the CRT...that's not related to image quality obviously, but it's going to be one major difference of course. May or may not matter to you.

I'm extremely happy with my LCD...I'd probably buy the 24" if I had the money. 😉
 
Originally posted by: stanleyleecm
Yea, the reason I jump to LCD is because I am getting very blury text when I do 1600x1200 in my 19" diamond pro. But it is perfectly clear and crisp under 1280x1024. And personally, I like to work on 1600x1200 resolution so I am still debating to get the LCD or the CRT which will looks good on 1600x1200.

Thanks
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You can fix that by running at a lower refresh rate, if you can stand it. Another plus of LCDs is they only update on demand (no noticable flicker). If you need 16x12, current 19" desktop LCDs only do 1280x1024, so you'll want the 2005FPW for that. Take note the 2005FPW is widescreen 16:10 at 1680x1050, vs. the 2001FP which is 1600x1200.
 
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
I loved the super-high refresh rates...gaming at 1600x1200@109Hz is unreal. But...the actual image quality (as far as focus/clarity) actually left something to be desired. It just wasn't as sharp as I wanted it to be (even at lower refresh rates).
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If lowering refresh rate doesn't work, you'll have to adjust the focus dial inside the CRT to fix focus issues. I wish they'd make that control digital (or is it these days?)
 
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
I loved the super-high refresh rates...gaming at 1600x1200@109Hz is unreal. But...the actual image quality (as far as focus/clarity) actually left something to be desired. It just wasn't as sharp as I wanted it to be (even at lower refresh rates).
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If lowering refresh rate doesn't work, you'll have to adjust the focus dial inside the CRT to fix focus issues. I wish they'd make that control digital (or is it these days?)
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It wasn't digital, and it required some special tool to get at the control inside the monitor that I didn't have. I probably could have waited to buy one and try that, but I was put off by the fact that the second CRT I received had the exact same issue...
 
If you got it recently, it was probably because of NEC's rotten CRT quality control this year. I got three blurry ones with numerous other problems and then a fourth one that was much better. Adjusting those focus control can help significantly in some cases though; 16x12 was slightly blurry on even the fourth one out the box, but after messing with those screws for a while even 20x15 looks quite sharp now.
 
Originally posted by: CP5670
If you got it recently, it was probably because of NEC's rotten CRT quality control this year. I got three blurry ones with numerous other problems and then a fourth one that was much better. Adjusting those focus control can help significantly in some cases though; 16x12 was slightly blurry on even the fourth one out the box, but after messing with those screws for a while even 20x15 looks quite sharp now.
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It was last December, so about 9 months ago. It would have been nice to be able to adjust the focus, but I didn't have the tool needed to do it, and frankly I didn't want to mess with it anymore. If they were cheaper I wouldn't mind picking up another one and messing with it again, but honestly the LCD is more practical for me...carrying a 70 pound monitor up four flights of stairs a few times a year is not something I looked forward to doing. 😱
 
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