GF7800 SLI hits 22k in 3dMark05???

[RussianSensation]

22000 marks in sli in 3dmark05? I doubt it.

Inquirer just posted a new article practically confirming GeForce 7800GTX specs.

"WE SAW A NICE document which reveals that Nvidia is going to call its next chip the Geforce 7800 GFX. And the graphics chip firm will start using Geforce series seven name for all the cards based on G70, we can reveal.

As for the specs, the Geforce 7800 GFX will be clocked at 430MHz core with 1400MHz memory. It will be equipped with 256MB of 256 bit memory, at least the version we are telling you about will be. It will also feature two DVI's, VIVO and HDTV support.

We are talking about a 24-pipeline card capable of supporting Nvidia intelisample marchitecture 4.0, CineFX 4.0, Ultra shadow marchitecture version two, pure video and 64-bit texture filtering and blending." - Source

given that these same specs came from multiple sources over the last 2 months, they seem to be accurate.

430mhz x 24 pipes = 10320 fill-rate.

Given that Geforce Ultra 425mhz 16 pipepline card scores about 5200 in 3dmark05, the card would have to be 32 pipes just to break 10000. Either that or 550mhz x 24 pipes. Still that's only to get to 10-11 thousand. Since SLI is not 100% efficient, breaking 22000 points requires some serious watercooling or phase-change cooling, or a BS claim.

 

[g3pro]

Any word on if 512mb of VRAM is standard or so? That's the way video games are headed, and I want a future-proof next-gen card.

 

[Ronin]

While I'd love to respond to this, without incriminating myself, I can't.

Only thing I *will* say is that I believe they're full of shit.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Ronin
While I'd love to respond to this, without incriminating myself, I can't.

Only thing I *will* say is that I believe they're full of shit.

What the 3dmark scores?

🙁

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Lonyo
There's something more interesting there:

When I spoke to NV this morning they said the new range will not be on AGP!!

I heard rumours that ATi will still produce high end parts for AGP, but nVidia aren't going to?

Sounds like a big load of BS . . . they don't dare neglect AGP this gen
:roll:

:thumbsdown:

now we're quoting other forums for "news" 😛
:disgust:

Why don't i make up something right now? You'll be able to google it in a few minutes
:shocked:

Well, I could maybe see them starting to move AGP down the product line this generation and maybe not offer the ultra 7800 cards for AGP. I doubt that we won't see anything G70 based on AGP though. People who will pay $500 for a graphics card are the same set who are willing to go SLI, buy a whole new mobo and CPU to go with, etc. IOW, those who aren't really looking for the best price/performance.

 

[Creig]

If the official launch date for the 7800 is on June 21 and retailers are supposed to have a good supply of them on that date, then why hasn't Nvidia lifted the NDA on the card and allowed reviewers to post their testing results yet? You'd think that being so close to the sales date that Nvidia would want people to be as hyped as possible. I know some people will buy it no matter what, but I think most will wait for the reviews to come in before spending that kind of $$$.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
well im a firm fan of Nvidia now, before i could bat for both teams, but a good experience with nvidia this time round has left me with the feeling that ill buy nvidia again

but if theres no agp parts then damn, im gonna have to get a new CPU, Mobo and PSU. whats even more annoying is that my system (A64 3200, skt 754, gig of ram, AGP 6800GT) in the real world is just as fast as the socket 939 PCI - E version. why did they have to move sockets so fast.

my only hope is, some company releases a skt 754 board with an NF4 chipset and PCI-E .. that would be good.

my 6800GT should tide me over for a while yet......and if it is ATI being the only ones to offer AGP parts, then im sorry but id have to buy ATI

I'm pretty sure that you can purchase skt 754 NF4 PCI-e boards right now.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: jazzboy
22k in 3dmark05? Thats just crazy!
Are you sure he's not mixed up 3dmark05 with 3dmark03?

Anyway if thats true, then thats a helluva lot of power.

It also means a single card would have to reach probably 15k or more in 3D Mark, which to me sounds a little far fetched.

With an extreme overclock this seems about right.

 

[Continuity27]

Don't be so critical of the wealthy people that spend lots of money on high end parts... after all, they DO keep your favorite companies in business no? Nvidia makes more profit per each 6800 ultra extreme or whatever than a 6800gt. 🙂 And so on...

 

[imported_X]

You would assume that a reseller would have *some* idea of future product lines from a manufacturer. Slightly more reliable than just any random forum person.

You would also assume that a reseller has a motivation to incite as much interest as possible in his products, to get more people to buy. Hardly an unbiased claim, so I take it with a large grain of salt.

 

[xtknight]

As for the benchmarks...holy sh!t...that's would mean a single G70 GTX would be more than 3 times as fast as my 6800NU at stock. They must have worked on the efficiency of the new-gen GPUs. I'm glad...very unlike Intel which has in the past just increased the "gigahertz".

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
well im a firm fan of Nvidia now, before i could bat for both teams, but a good experience with nvidia this time round has left me with the feeling that ill buy nvidia again

but if theres no agp parts then damn, im gonna have to get a new CPU, Mobo and PSU. whats even more annoying is that my system (A64 3200, skt 754, gig of ram, AGP 6800GT) in the real world is just as fast as the socket 939 PCI - E version. why did they have to move sockets so fast.

my only hope is, some company releases a skt 754 board with an NF4 chipset and PCI-E .. that would be good.

my 6800GT should tide me over for a while yet......and if it is ATI being the only ones to offer AGP parts, then im sorry but id have to buy ATI

Did someone say a nForce4 with Socket 754?

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Foxconn NF4K8AB-RS Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
MSI K8N NEO3-F Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
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[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Continuity27
Don't be so critical of the wealthy people that spend lots of money on high end parts... after all, they DO keep your favorite companies in business no? Nvidia makes more profit per each 6800 ultra extreme or whatever than a 6800gt. 🙂 And so on...

That would be the logic at first. However, just like car companies do not make money on Dodge Vipers and Ferrari Enzos, videocard companies mainly make their $$$ on low- to -mid-range product lines since they are sold in 20x larger volumes. Even if the contribution margin on them isn't as great, the volume x profit easily offsets that of the higher end lines.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: X

You would assume that a reseller would have *some* idea of future product lines from a manufacturer. Slightly more reliable than just any random forum person.

You would also assume that a reseller has a motivation to incite as much interest as possible in his products, to get more people to buy. Hardly an unbiased claim, so I take it with a large grain of salt.

How is saying they will be PCIe only going to HELP sales?
It means the AGP crowd would be left with no option except ATi.

 

[imported_Kensai]

Mmm... I wonder if we're looking at 4 digits or 5 for their VGA cards.. 😛

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Creig
If the official launch date for the 7800 is on June 21 and retailers are supposed to have a good supply of them on that date, then why hasn't Nvidia lifted the NDA on the card and allowed reviewers to post their testing results yet? You'd think that being so close to the sales date that Nvidia would want people to be as hyped as possible. I know some people will buy it no matter what, but I think most will wait for the reviews to come in before spending that kind of $$$.

Maybe because they want the card to actually be available when they launch it. You can't bitch about paper launches and then bitch about them not launching before they are ready. Once the NDA is lifted, the product is launched.

 

[imported_Ged]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
430mhz x 24 pipes = 10320 fill-rate.

Given that Geforce Ultra 425mhz 16 pipepline card scores about 5200 in 3dmark05, the card would have to be 32 pipes just to break 10000. Either that or 550mhz x 24 pipes. Still that's only to get to 10-11 thousand. Since SLI is not 100% efficient, breaking 22000 points requires some serious watercooling or phase-change cooling, or a BS claim.

You're assuming that a G70 pipe = a NV4x pipe. It's not necessarily the same. In fact, knowing NVIDIA, it won't be.

Though you're right about the fill-rate.

I can't confirm or deny the quoted claims. Just silly to sum up the G70 until we better understand the Architecture.

 

[imported_X]

How is saying they will be PCIe only going to HELP sales?

I was referring to the salesman's claim of 22k in 3DMark05. Obviously he can't claim AGP when there is none, but he can hype up the performance numbers to get more sales.

Not to say he was doing so, just that I am not going to believe it until I see a more objective review.

 

[imported_Ged]

Not having AGP will hurt sales because a large number of people still only have AGP and are not willing to upgrade their motherboard, RAM, or possilby CPU in order to get PCIe.

However, if a decent number of those people realise that AGP is going away and do step up they will probably be buying a new NVIDIA graphics card and a new motherboard with an NVIDIA chipset on it. So, NVIDIA ends up selling some people one or two new graphics cards, and an NVIDIA chipset.

This also works for ATi; however, ATi might just offer AGP because NVIDIA is not or appears not to be.

I seriously doubt that NVIDIA will not have AGP cards. I think it would be a big mistake. Unless there is something about AGP that keeps G70 from working (such as power requirements), but I doubt NVIDIA would have trouble with AGP cards since they have their AGP to PCIe/PCIe to AGP bridge chips and are then able to get power from Molex connector(s) if need be.

Time will tell.

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
430mhz x 24 pipes = 10320 fill-rate.

Given that Geforce Ultra 425mhz 16 pipepline card scores about 5200 in 3dmark05, the card would have to be 32 pipes just to break 10000. Either that or 550mhz x 24 pipes. Still that's only to get to 10-11 thousand. Since SLI is not 100% efficient, breaking 22000 points requires some serious watercooling or phase-change cooling, or a BS claim.

Last I checked an Ultra did a bit more than that. My GT @ Ultra does ~ 5700. Although I really doubt dual stock G70's can break 22K.

 

[g3pro]

Wanna know what's awesome Ged? By the time ATi comes into the market, nVidia will have their mid-low range with AGP, which is what those guys will buy anyways. So, nVidia wins there too!

I think the last round of cards was the "transition" period for AGP-->PCI-E. 🙁

 

[imported_Ged]

Originally posted by: g3pro
Wanna know what's awesome Ged? By the time ATi comes into the market, nVidia will have their mid-low range with AGP, which is what those guys will buy anyways. So, nVidia wins there too!

I think the last round of cards was the "transition" period for AGP-->PCI-E. 🙁

Ya. 😎

 

[sirspotti]

22k is how much it will probably cost if you're gonna go SLI with these things

 

[klah]

GF7800 SLI hits 22k in 3dMark05???

I'd guess closer to 8k for single and 14.5k for SLI.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Creig
If the official launch date for the 7800 is on June 21 and retailers are supposed to have a good supply of them on that date, then why hasn't Nvidia lifted the NDA on the card and allowed reviewers to post their testing results yet? You'd think that being so close to the sales date that Nvidia would want people to be as hyped as possible. I know some people will buy it no matter what, but I think most will wait for the reviews to come in before spending that kind of $$$.

Maybe because they want the card to actually be available when they launch it. You can't bitch about paper launches and then bitch about them not launching before they are ready. Once the NDA is lifted, the product is launched.

????

The official launch date has already been set as June 21 in San Francisco.

http://www.pdxlan.com/geforcelan/news.php

Now that the release date has been confirmed, whether or not cards will be available from retailers on June 21 has nothing to do with allowing websites to publish their reviews.

 

[apoppin]

Still discussing this BS?
:shocked:

:roll:

here's "better BS"

Nvidia G70 becomes Geforce 7800 GFX

430MHz core, 1400MHz memory, 24 pipes

As for the specs, the Geforce 7800 GFX will be clocked at 430MHz core with 1400MHz memory. It will be equipped with 256MB of 256 bit memory, at least the version we are telling you about will be. It will also feature two DVI's, VIVO and HDTV support.

We are talking about a 24-pipeline card capable of supporting Nvidia intelisample marchitecture 4.0, CineFX 4.0, Ultra shadow marchitecture version two, pure video and 64-bit texture filtering and blending.

We don?t have any idea why you need 64-bit texture filtering nor blending but we guess developers do.

The document wafted under our noses claims double performance over Geforce 6800 Ultra but that might be the case just in some bottleneck scenarios.

We also learned that the card will score more than 7800 marks in 3Dmark05 and will arrive in less then two weeks and counting.