GF100 Previews from Digital Experience

[T2k]

You think he is lying? The SEC would make an example of him along with all the lawsuits brought by shareholders for giving false production information.

He did lie several times, last time when he showed a fake mockup card as Fermi. It's SOP at Nvidia, really not a biggie.

SEC is a bunch of incompetent losers + industry crooks waiting for a fat job at one of the companies they suppose to oversee.
For a perfect example check out the details of the Maddoff case - these losers at SEC literally refuse to touch him despite mountains of evidence aand a whistleblower who even volunteered to go undercover t=for them.

The SEC is completely broken, just like most three-letter federal agency: ruled by the very industry they supposed to regulate. Take a look at FCC, FDA etc (CIA, NSA etc included): illegal practices and more than obvious corruption at the highest level... legacy of Clinton and Bush, the two biggest corporate crooks in WH ever.
A broken country - welcome to Corporate States of America.

 

[evolucion8]

how is production of GF100 is confirmed? because Jen Hsun said so? its the same guy who showed a wood screw card and said "this puppy is Fermi"..

Because wood consumes less power

Um isnt the story the dev didnt develope an AA routine but Nvidia wrote the code for AA implementation? The dev put the device check in to disable ATI cards from using Nvidia written code. Most likely to cut down any Q&A. Without Nvidia you wouldnt even be able to hack your way into using AA in that title.

No thanks, Standard forced Anti Aliasing works just fine. So you may want to lick nVidia's sole shoe for that, but I don't have to.

It is not for Q&A expenses, is just anti competitive practices. http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...-nvidia-vs-eidos-fight-analyzed.aspx?pageid=1

apparently not

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2039124

read the linked article - one needs to just change the Vendor_ID and it works apparently

hey evolucion8 how DO you spoof the vendorID anyway? apparently my googlefu sucks

Install ATi Tray Tool and go to Manage Game profiles, there's an option in there to change your DeviceID.

 

[Genx87]

He did lie several times, last time when he showed a fake mockup card as Fermi. It's SOP at Nvidia, really not a biggie.

SEC is a bunch of incompetent losers + industry crooks waiting for a fat job at one of the companies they suppose to oversee.
For a perfect example check out the details of the Maddoff case - these losers at SEC literally refuse to touch him despite mountains of evidence aand a whistleblower who even volunteered to go undercover t=for them.

The SEC is completely broken, just like most three-letter federal agency: ruled by the very industry they supposed to regulate. Take a look at FCC, FDA etc (CIA, NSA etc included): illegal practices and more than obvious corruption at the highest level... legacy of Clinton and Bush, the two biggest corporate crooks in WH ever.
A broken country - welcome to Corporate States of America.

Showing a mockup of a product and giving false production information are two completely different things. But you already knew that.

 

[Genx87]

Because wood consumes less power



No thanks, Standard forced Anti Aliasing works just fine. So you may want to lick nVidia's sole shoe for that, but I don't have to.

It is not for Q&A expenses, is just anti competitive practices. http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...-nvidia-vs-eidos-fight-analyzed.aspx?pageid=1




Install ATi Tray Tool and go to Manage Game profiles, there's an option in there to change your DeviceID.

That would require us to believe in the hundreds if not thousands of titles that Nvidia has optimized for and works fine on ATI hardware. Batman suddenly gets compensation to not work on ATI. Sounds like a long shot imo.

I dont need to lick anybody's shoes. I am not vendor specific in my purchases. I dont bow before one company unlike a person with an ATI avatar.

 

[HurleyBird]

Showing a mockup of a product and giving false production information are two completely different things. But you already knew that.

Pretending a mockup is the real thing is giving false information. I'm quite sure you know THAT.

 

[akugami]

Pretending a mockup is the real thing is giving false information. I'm quite sure you know THAT.

Showing a mockup and claiming it is your widget is not good. But while you will catch some flak for it, it's nothing major. Other industries show mockups all of the time while implying or outright claiming it is the real deal. Usually a mockup is used in a demo or presentation so it's not a huge deal.

Claiming your latest widget is in production when it is not may be grounds for a lawsuit. While I'm not certain of all of the exact legal complications that can arise, one of them would include falsifying information to pump up your stock and tricking your stockholders. Basically a "pump and dump" scheme. This type of securities fraud would absolutely be investigated if due to the claims of Huang that their latest widget is in production and there is a huge amount of activity in nVidia stock and because he released false info, the stocks take a dive shortly after. There could also be accusations of insider trading as well.

No investor in their right mind would make huge purchases of nVidia stock because of a demo alone but there is valid grounds for purchasing nVidia stock if investors believe that their latest widge is in production and there will be a huge new revenue stream ($$) coming into the company soon. That is the difference.

**EDIT**

Not condemning Huang or anything but not praising him either. I just thought the whole " OMGWTFBBQ, he's showing a fake card." thing was overblown. It wasn't that big of a deal except that it might have pointed to nVidia having so many problems that they still didn't have many engineering samples during that last presentation. Which could have pointed to further delays. If that presentation took place in August of last year, and he showed a mockup, not one person would blink an eye except those who were biased against nVidia.

 

[SolMiester]

So you believe that Nvidia has come up with a better way to handle power then the ATI 5800 series?

AFAIK, nV has always (mostly) had better cooling solutions than ATi....

 

[Genx87]

Pretending a mockup is the real thing is giving false information. I'm quite sure you know THAT.

From a shareholder and SEC viewpoint they arent the same.

 

[Schmide]

AFAIK, nV has always (mostly) had better cooling solutions than ATi....

QFT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYWaUJakMfg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eURLT_RL1e4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVjZqC1AE4

Edit i found the mp3

 

[SolMiester]

QFT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYWaUJakMfg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eURLT_RL1e4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVjZqC1AE4

Edit i found the mp3

Err, 1 model card....did you see the mostly in brackets?

 

[nitromullet]

QFT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYWaUJakMfg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eURLT_RL1e4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVjZqC1AE4

Edit i found the mp3

I think everyone acknowledges the FX series wasn't NV's brightest time in history, but let's give it a rest. Going back this far to make your point would be like citing the ATI Rage Fury Maxx as a reason not to buy a current dual gpu ATI card.

 

[Schmide]

Err, 1 model card....did you see the mostly in brackets?

Ironic, since your bias seems to stem from your experience with one model possibly used/defective card.

Most cooling solutions come from the vendors anyway. Your original point was biased, untrue and moot. Leading to my entertaining point.

 

[evolucion8]

That would require us to believe in the hundreds if not thousands of titles that Nvidia has optimized for and works fine on ATI hardware. Batman suddenly gets compensation to not work on ATI. Sounds like a long shot imo.

I dont need to lick anybody's shoes. I am not vendor specific in my purchases. I dont bow before one company unlike a person with an ATI avatar.

You don't have to have a GPU vendor avatar to show your bias over nVidia, you got it written all over your face? My avatar is paroding nVidia's TWIMTBP program, so learn to read.

Lots of games made under nVidia's program usually cause issues like slow performance, good example, Lost Planet, which ran almost twice slower on the HD 3870 compared to the 8800GT, they way it was programmed was to use shaders with lots of texture dependent fetches which are slow on ATi hardware, while using math shader could achive the same effect without that huge performance hit ( I don't know much about that kind of stuff, but If someone can clarify). It was a game developed in the Xbox 360 ATi's GPU that suddenly made the HD 3870 inadequated for that, the same stuff with Doom 3 with their slow look up table, or Deadspace which doesn't even support anti aliasing, and ran almost twice faster on the GTX 260, I wonder.

 

[Schmide]

but let's give it a rest.

Neither are without failures or successes. I was making more fun of the comment than nVidia as a whole. I actually love the fact that nVidia learned to make some fun of itself.

 

[tviceman]

Neither are without failures or successes. I was making more fun of the comment than nVidia as a whole. I actually love the fact that nVidia learned to make some fun of itself.

The video they made of themselves making fun of the fx5800 is classic! I still laugh watching it.

 

[SolMiester]

Ironic, since your bias seems to stem from your experience with one model possibly used/defective card.

Most cooling solutions come from the vendors anyway. Your original point was biased, untrue and moot. Leading to my entertaining point.

My bias comes from windows NT days where the drivers were crap and card I bought being 1950pro....which also had terrible drivers at the time.

Yes most vendors have there own cooling solutions...however until recently predominately, most ATi vendors didnt and buyers had to get 3rd party coolers.

 

[Schmide]

My bias comes from windows NT days where the drivers were crap and card I bought being 1950pro....which also had terrible drivers at the time.

Yes most vendors have there own cooling solutions...however until recently predominately, most ATi vendors didnt and buyers had to get 3rd party coolers.

Are you kidding me? NT drivers? Direct X 3? Microsoft barely supported more than 2d graphics on NT let alone any driver model. All NT drivers were crap, don't get me started on the Windows NT libraries that started their rect stucts at 1 instead of zero.

Back in the day I had a 1950pro and never had problems with it. You're holding your grudge way to long. Get over it.

As far as I know, ATI was actually the last hold out to assemble their own cards in house, thus providing their own cooling solution. Nvidia moved to vendor approved designs long before ATI did. Whatever you meant in bold is just wrong.

 

[Genx87]

You don't have to have a GPU vendor avatar to show your bias over nVidia, you got it written all over your face? My avatar is paroding nVidia's TWIMTBP program, so learn to read.

Lots of games made under nVidia's program usually cause issues like slow performance, good example, Lost Planet, which ran almost twice slower on the HD 3870 compared to the 8800GT, they way it was programmed was to use shaders with lots of texture dependent fetches which are slow on ATi hardware, while using math shader could achive the same effect without that huge performance hit ( I don't know much about that kind of stuff, but If someone can clarify). It was a game developed in the Xbox 360 ATi's GPU that suddenly made the HD 3870 inadequated for that, the same stuff with Doom 3 with their slow look up table, or Deadspace which doesn't even support anti aliasing, and ran almost twice faster on the GTX 260, I wonder.

Why yes you have me figured out. I have a huge Nvidia bias which is why I run a 4850.
Your avatar says it all. There is nothing to read there.

I am sure there are all sorts of cherry picked scenarios one can come up with to justify their conspiracy theory. There are just as many TWIMTP programs that run faster on ATI hardware with nvidia optimized code. Doom 3 was an opengl game. Blame ATIs' piss poor opengl drivers at the time.

Nothing is stopping ATI from writing their own routines that work best for their hardware. Go ahead and do it. I get sick of the small guy victim mentality of AMD\ATI. They are a multi-billion dollar company. Ball up and get it done.

 

[SolMiester]

Are you kidding me? NT drivers? Direct X 3? Microsoft barely supported more than 2d graphics on NT let alone any driver model. All NT drivers were crap, don't get me started on the Windows NT libraries that started their rect stucts at 1 instead of zero.

Back in the day I had a 1950pro and never had problems with it. You're holding your grudge way to long. Get over it.

As far as I know, ATI was actually the last hold out to assemble their own cards in house, thus providing their own cooling solution. Nvidia moved to vendor approved designs long before ATI did. Whatever you meant in bold is just wrong.

Schmide, I dont have to get over anything...I dont like ATi cards...I dont have too...I dont go around dissing them, and i am happy to acknowledge at the present time they are the best bang for buck performance wise..but I'll never buy one for my personal PC..again!

 

[waffleironhead]

Schmide, I dont have to get over anything...I dont like ATi cards...I dont have too...I dont go around dissing them, and i am happy to acknowledge at the present time they are the best bang for buck performance wise..but I'll never buy one for my personal PC..again!

I wonder what happans when you get a bad nV card. Will you switch to matrox? :awe:

 

[Schmide]

Schmide, I dont have to get over anything...I dont like ATi cards...I dont have too...I dont go around dissing them, and i am happy to acknowledge at the present time they are the best bang for buck performance wise..but I'll never buy one for my personal PC..again!

That's fine. If you've turned over a new leaf, good for you. I've seen you interject unwarranted bias more than a few times in the past few months.

 

[SolMiester]

I wonder what happans when you get a bad nV card. Will you switch to matrox? :awe:

Probably get it RMA'd...besides which I rarely purchase cutting edge anymore, its too expensive and I dont game much anymore...

 

[T2k]

My bias comes from windows NT days where the drivers were crap and card I bought being 1950pro....which also had terrible drivers at the time.

Yes most vendors have there own cooling solutions...however until recently predominately, most ATi vendors didnt and buyers had to get 3rd party coolers.

You're a bit behind times and quite wrong about things, ehh?

NT didn't have any official DirectX support above v3 (though one could install a DX5 package) but it was irrelevant because DirectX was a completely useless crap back then and everyone was using OpenGL with its exclusive card drivers (my good ol' Delta Glint proc! )
First DX that made any practical sense was v6 (multitexturing, S3TC etc) but the first real difference came with DX7 (HW T&L!!!) - none of which ever ran on NT.

FYI ATI completely restarted its driver division after the Radeon 8500 fiasco (great DX8.1 card w/ crappy intial drivers) and soon enough they were beating NV's Detonators.

 

[SirPauly]

It was around very early 2001, where I did see differences in ATI's drivers and taking things very serious. They were adding optimizations for Quake 3 engined games, getting rid of the FSAA color banding with 16-bit color games, cleaning up their filtering and eventually adding forced filtering support for Direct3d.

 

[Wreckage]

Nothing is stopping ATI from writing their own routines that work best for their hardware. Go ahead and do it. I get sick of the small guy victim mentality of AMD\ATI. They are a multi-billion dollar company. Ball up and get it done.

Exactly.