Getting the US out of the UN

[etech]

Originally posted by: Zrom999

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ViRGE
You really hate the UN, don't you?:Q

Only because they are inept organization. The UN at the very least needs to be restructured.

I agree, removing the US will make the UN less inept.

That very well could be true. Since the US pays most of the money to the UN they couldn't do much without the US and therfore would of course be less inept.
They would all sit around and bitch about how it's all the United State's fault and pass a resolution or two or a hundred, but actually do much, naw.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: flavio
If we weren't in the UN we could invade countries at will without having to make up all these pesky excuses.

YOu realize the only country that has asked the UN permission to go to war is the US. Every other security council member has gone to war without even asking...

...and we didn't listen. Since all the excuses we made up look so ridiculous now I assuming you'd like to skip that step in the future?

When it comes to issues of national security the UN need not even make into the discussion.

I wasn't talking about national security, I was talking about invading Iraq.

Last time I checked there are a couple of al queda in northern iraq that no longer exist. Several international terrorist have been picked up in Iraq. This is enough reason for me.

You're pretty easily pleased. If that's all it takes then we should be invading the whole world. I bet we could find a couple al queada and other terrorists hiding out in England if we started with them.

But you forget, England would have glady turned them over. But i guess you missed that not so subtle difference.

You said finding a couple al queda and several international terrorists was reason enough. We could do that by invading and occupying many countries.

No need to invade countries that want help getting rid of terrorist.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: flavio
If we weren't in the UN we could invade countries at will without having to make up all these pesky excuses.

LOL! The UN can't enforce its own policy's for christ's sakes. I also vote for taking U.S related out of the UN. As you may know the majority of the Armed Forces of the UN are the US's Military. They complain and bicker about how bitchy we are, well lets see how well they can do without us. They don't want us thier anyway.

the UN doesn't have any ability to enforce its own policies, its always relied on the cooperation of member states do to anything.

 

[Siddhartha]

H.R.1146
Title: To end membership of the United States in the United Nations.
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 3/6/2003) Cosponsors: 12

We need more congressmen like Ron Paul.

Does this have anything to do with black helicopters?

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
We do.

We definitely have to eliminate diplomatic relations with everyone else, and removing ourselves from the primary access to that would be achieved by this resolution. Now we need to close the borders, and eliminate trade too. There is no reason a massive fence cannot be built across both north and south to keep foreigners out too. America- by, of and for Americans. Good ole Ron Paul. Screw those foreigners.

Didn't China do this awhile back?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
We do.

We definitely have to eliminate diplomatic relations with everyone else, and removing ourselves from the primary access to that would be achieved by this resolution. Now we need to close the borders, and eliminate trade too. There is no reason a massive fence cannot be built across both north and south to keep foreigners out too. America- by, of and for Americans. Good ole Ron Paul. Screw those foreigners.

Didn't China do this awhile back?

the only countries in recent times that have been completely cut off diplomatically are cuba and north korea

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: flavio
If we weren't in the UN we could invade countries at will without having to make up all these pesky excuses.

YOu realize the only country that has asked the UN permission to go to war is the US. Every other security council member has gone to war without even asking...

...and we didn't listen. Since all the excuses we made up look so ridiculous now I assuming you'd like to skip that step in the future?

When it comes to issues of national security the UN need not even make into the discussion.

I wasn't talking about national security, I was talking about invading Iraq.

Last time I checked there are a couple of al queda in northern iraq that no longer exist. Several international terrorist have been picked up in Iraq. This is enough reason for me.

Ah ok that makes sense, because you are a fearful wuss, that gives you the right to invade other countries and kill their ppl. Then the opposite is true too. Because the US pose a national security threat to pretty much all countries on the planet (since they choose to interfere in their internal matters as they please), it should be enough reason for the world to act on that security risk....

Logic is a nice thing

 

[Czar]

some people reeeealy want the US to become a rouge state :disgust:

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
We do. We definitely have to eliminate diplomatic relations with everyone else, and removing ourselves from the primary access to that would be achieved by this resolution. Now we need to close the borders, and eliminate trade too. There is no reason a massive fence cannot be built across both north and south to keep foreigners out too. America- by, of and for Americans. Good ole Ron Paul. Screw those foreigners.

LOL
Hey, In that case I'm sure that the rest of the world would chip in and build an enormous lid too... that way you wouldn't have to deal with any of that damn unAmerican weather blowing across from Canada and the like...

Anyway, America is great because its free and a democracy. But other countries are not free to disagree with us, and if they do their vote doesn't count. Nosir.

 

[ChicagoMaroon]

Originally posted by: dpm

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
We do. We definitely have to eliminate diplomatic relations with everyone else, and removing ourselves from the primary access to that would be achieved by this resolution. Now we need to close the borders, and eliminate trade too. There is no reason a massive fence cannot be built across both north and south to keep foreigners out too. America- by, of and for Americans. Good ole Ron Paul. Screw those foreigners.

LOL
Hey, In that case I'm sure that the rest of the world would chip in and build an enormous lid too... that way you wouldn't have to deal with any of that damn unAmerican weather blowing across from Canada and the like...

Anyway, America is great because its free and a democracy. But other countries are <STRONG>not</STRONG> free to disagree with us, and if they do their vote doesn't count. Nosir.

What is this delusion that states exist in some sort of democracy? States exists in the state of nature, where power is the defining force. Other countries are free disagree with the U.S., and the U.S. is free to take them out if necessary. Until some other state is powerful enough to stop us, the U.S. can pretty much do what it wants.

Is that wrong, is that right? Who knows. All I know is that it's reality.

 

[Orsorum]

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[ChicagoMaroon]

Ah ok that makes sense, because you are a fearful wuss, that gives you the right to invade other countries and kill their ppl. Then the opposite is true too. Because the US pose a national security threat to pretty much all countries on the planet (since they choose to interfere in their internal matters as they please), it should be enough reason for the world to act on that security risk....

Logic is a nice thing

Okay, let's have the rest of the world act on that security risk. A very realist - in the vien of Morgenthau and Mearsheimer (a former professor of mine) - point of view.

Except the problem is the rest of the world can go to war with the U.S. ... and lose.

All your "logic" can't change the dynamics of power. Al-Qaeda invaded our country and killed our people and we'll do whatever we think will stop more Americans from being murdered. Rest of the world doesn't like it? You're free to go ahead and stop us.

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: ChicagoMaroon

Ah ok that makes sense, because you are a fearful wuss, that gives you the right to invade other countries and kill their ppl. Then the opposite is true too. Because the US pose a national security threat to pretty much all countries on the planet (since they choose to interfere in their internal matters as they please), it should be enough reason for the world to act on that security risk....

Logic is a nice thing

Okay, let's have the rest of the world act on that security risk. A very realist - in the vien of Morgenthau and Mearsheimer (a former professor of mine) - point of view.

Except the problem is the rest of the world can go to war with the U.S. ... and lose.

All your "logic" can't change the dynamics of power. Al-Qaeda invaded our country and killed our people and we'll do whatever we think will stop more Americans from being murdered. Rest of the world doesn't like it? You're free to go ahead and stop us.

Might is right then?

Andy

 

[Fencer128]

How about this - since no one here (from what I can tell) has catagorically stated that the UN is defunct, serves no good purpose and must be dismantled (and I'd take issue if this was said!)- why not stay in the UN and propose some reforms, publically of course so that they may be scrutinised? If they get shot down and you're still not happy as a country then you can justifiably say "the UN is a hinderance and not a help to us - we're out". However, if some reform occurs, or the reasoning of the argument against the proposals is valid, then the US can stay and get on with it, or at the very least propose different reforms.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Zrom999

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: ViRGE
You really hate the UN, don't you?:Q

Only because they are inept organization. The UN at the very least needs to be restructured.

I agree, removing the US will make the UN less inept.

Buahahahahaha! Are you sure you aren't SnapIT?

CkG

Wow... that was a great comment... you so smaaat...

Yup, i think the US should leave... good riddance i say...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: ChicagoMaroon

Ah ok that makes sense, because you are a fearful wuss, that gives you the right to invade other countries and kill their ppl. Then the opposite is true too. Because the US pose a national security threat to pretty much all countries on the planet (since they choose to interfere in their internal matters as they please), it should be enough reason for the world to act on that security risk....

Logic is a nice thing

Okay, let's have the rest of the world act on that security risk. A very realist - in the vien of Morgenthau and Mearsheimer (a former professor of mine) - point of view.

Except the problem is the rest of the world can go to war with the U.S. ... and lose.

All your "logic" can't change the dynamics of power. Al-Qaeda invaded our country and killed our people and we'll do whatever we think will stop more Americans from being murdered. Rest of the world doesn't like it? You're free to go ahead and stop us.

Looks like ww3 isn't that far away....

The US are scared, it's like the rich man sitting in his house afraid to go outside because someone might hurt him... So he orders his well paid life guard to take out anyone and everyone who might be a threat to him...

Eventually, someone will be pissed off and kill him to end the killing...

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Fencer128
How about this - since no one here (from what I can tell) has catagorically stated that the UN is defunct, serves no good purpose and must be dismantled (and I'd take issue if this was said!)- why not stay in the UN and propose some reforms, publically of course so that they may be scrutinised? If they get shot down and you're still not happy as a country then you can justifiably say "the UN is a hinderance and not a help to us - we're out". However, if some reform occurs, or the reasoning of the argument against the proposals is valid, then the US can stay and get on with it, or at the very least propose different reforms.

Cheers,

Andy

I agree, if the UN goes away it will take something Major to bring all of those different countries together in a diplomatic talks.

Improving the UN is the best way to improve diplomatic relations in the world without going 50 years in the bast

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If the US and the world ever go to war, then no one wins. Idiot professor. THere are still enough nukes in the world to demolish the US, and everywhere else. Oh some in the more remote areas would survive, but the rest of us are gone.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
If the US and the world ever go to war, then no one wins. Idiot professor. THere are still enough nukes in the world to demolish the US, and everywhere else. Oh some in the more remote areas would survive, but the rest of us are gone.

the problem with what you're writing is that he said the rest of the world would lose, not that the US would necessarily win. idiot poster. when you're playing a negative sum game like nuclear warfare then you do have the distinct possibility of two losers.

 

[LeadMagnet]

We need to build a great wall around the borders and along the coast including all the islands, and then we could all celebrtate inbreeding like the folks in West Virginia

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
We need to build a great wall around the borders and along the coast including all the islands, and then we could all celebrtate inbreeding like the folks in West Virginia

is there a yearly inbreeding festival where they crown the inbred queen?

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
We need to build a great wall around the borders and along the coast including all the islands, and then we could all celebrtate inbreeding like the folks in West Virginia

And don't forget to legalise all forms of weaponry.
With a 250m+ population it'd take a while, but I'd guess by about 2140 ther'd be just 5m people, all called either Cleetus or BobbySue

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: flavio

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: flavio
If we weren't in the UN we could invade countries at will without having to make up all these pesky excuses.

YOu realize the only country that has asked the UN permission to go to war is the US. Every other security council member has gone to war without even asking...

...and we didn't listen. Since all the excuses we made up look so ridiculous now I assuming you'd like to skip that step in the future?

Yes, we did listen; we just didn't follow the consensus opinion and following consensus opinion is not requisite. Don't get me wrong, I think the UN does have a necessary role, but the UN does not formulate the policy of sovereign nations.

As for getting the US out, I disagree. There should always be a forum where an assembly of nations can discuss grievances and organize international humanitarian aid.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: dpm

Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
We need to build a great wall around the borders and along the coast including all the islands, and then we could all celebrtate inbreeding like the folks in West Virginia

And don't forget to legalise all forms of weaponry.
With a 250m+ population it'd take a while, but I'd guess by about 2140 ther'd be just 5m people, all called either Cleetus or BobbySue

will be great to see everyone with their own personal nuclear weapon for home defense

 

[LeadMagnet]

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Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
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And don't forget to legalise all forms of weaponry.
With a 250m+ population it'd take a while, but I'd guess by about 2140 ther'd be just 5m people, all called either Cleetus or BobbySue

Thats right we must not forget that the band on assult rifles ends in September. I know I am taking that day off from work (running the still) to go buy a couple machine guns, some land mines , and a grenade launcher - you know for squirel hunting in my onw yard.