Getting divorce the easy way.

busydude

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Talaq joke to his wife may cost an e-savvy youth his marriage



"Saharanpur, Uttar Pradesh:
The youth, a resident of Qatar, had spelt talaq three times while chatting with his wife but little did he realise that his humourous intention in cyberspace will nullify his marriage in reality.

Islamic seminary Dar-ul-Uloom Deoband has ruled that saying talaq thrice even casually without any serious overtone is valid as per the Shariyat (Islamic Law) and the marriage stands nullified. The nationality or the identity of the youth was not revealed.

The ruling was given by Deoband' fatwa section Dar-ul-Ifta in reply to a query posted by a youth from Qatar. The youth in his query (question number 26075) had stated that while chatting with his wife over net he jokingly spelled talaq thrice. Claiming to have less knowledge about Islam, the youth said that he didn't know how talaq is taken. The youth had stated that he was happily living with his wife and wanted to live with her in future as well.

Dar-ul-Ifta in its reply has said that once talaq is spelled three times it amounts to divorce and her wife was "haraam" for him. The fatwa section in its reply stated that in the process it does not matter whether the man had enough knowledge of Islam or not. Under such circumstances the youth was neither allowed to take his wife nor to marry her again, it stated adding that now she would be required to go through "halalah".

Halalah is a practice under which the woman has to marry and divorce another man before she can marry her previous husband again. As per the ruling that the woman would be required to complete 'iddat' (three months time) period after which she would be required to marry another man. The woman would be then required to divorce her second husband and go through iddat period again. "Then only the woman would be allowed to re-marry her former husband," it stated. Iddat is a period when the woman is supposed to stay away from celebrations and socialising.

"When you gave three talaqs, all the three took place. No matter whether the woman gives talaq or not. Your wife became haram for you whether you are aware from the commandment of Islam more or less," the fatwa read. "Neither you have the right to take her back nor solemnize new nikah without a valid halalah. After the completion of iddat period, the woman can marry where she wishes except you. It is proved from Bukhari (Vol. 2, P. 791) and Fatawa al-Hindiyah etc," it added.

Senior mufti of Dar-ul-Uloom Waqf Arif Kasmi said that under Shariyat talaq even if given in a lighter vein amounts to divorce."

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AstroManLuca

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serious business

Really, I hate to go after the entire religion but it seems like there are too many Muslims who are unable to take a joke. And I don't mean they need to shrug off hate speech, but this sort of thing is just ridiculous.
 

rudeguy

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Living according to books written thousands of years ago is ridiculous.

thinking that you know better than thousands of people who have come before you is ridiculous.

You aren't that smart or special.
 

AstroManLuca

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What a completely fucked up religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_talaq

The practice is banned by law in many nations, including Turkey, Tunisia, Algeria, Iraq, Iran, Indonesia, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. (Most of these countries are Sunni dominated regions.)

Indian Courts do not hold any talaq without arbitration and reconciliation as valid talaq.

Most Sunni Islamic enlightened scholars have said such instant talaq is invalid.

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Shi'as have a very dim view of this practice since they believe it makes a mockery of the principles and aim of both nikah and talaq, and is un-Quranic. Shi'a believe that a talaq procedure is not completed until the end of the Iddah. Repeating "talaq" during that period means nothing more than expressing the determination to fulfill the procedure and therefore bears no juridical consequences. In other words, it is the procedure that counts, not the actual words.

What's ridiculous is the way some people are able to impose their own dogmatic beliefs on others. There are some fucked up things in Christianity as well, but in most Christian nations, what one Christian scholar or another says can't be used as law. In (some) Muslim countries, government and religion are completely intertwined.

The article does not make it clear whether his marriage was legally invalidated or simply invalidated in the view of some Muslim scholar somewhere. Could he and his wife simply move to another area and pretend like nothing happened? Or will they actually have to go through that whole procedure to get remarried? I don't know.
 
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Beetle Juice! Beetle Juice Beetle Juice!

(I woulda said Bloody Mary, but I'm a little superstitious this close to Halloween! :p)
 

GagHalfrunt

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Beetle Juice! Beetle Juice Beetle Juice!

(I woulda said Bloody Mary, but I'm a little superstitious this close to Halloween! :p)


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edro

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The guy obviously doesn't practice the religion much so why would he care if he is divorced in the eyes of the religion?
 
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CountZero

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The guy obviously doesn't practice the religion much so why would he care if he is divorced in the eyes of the religion?

If you live in a place without separation of church and state then you are divorced in the eyes of the state if you are divorced in the eyes of the religion.
 

edro

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If you live in a place without separation of church and state then you are divorced in the eyes of the state if you are divorced in the eyes of the religion.
Doh! So they will require them to separate or else face some other severe punishment for non-marital relations?
 

Kadarin

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The guy obviously doesn't practice the religion much so why would he care if he is divorced in the eyes of the religion?

The Islamic world isn't much like the West; Islam is more than just a religion, it's also both a culture and government/law.
 

QueBert

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Living according to books written thousands of years ago is ridiculous.

I live my life according to a book that was written thousands of years ago, and things in my life are pretty damn good. Can you suggest a perhaps recent book that's better for one to live their life according to? Because as far as I know there isn't one.
 

AstroManLuca

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Doh! So they will require them to separate or else face some other severe punishment for non-marital relations?

Maybe. We don't know based on that article. It is often the case in Muslim countries but not always.

It's also possible that one or both of them takes their religion very seriously and feels obligated to go through the entire process even if it's not legally required. Of course if that were the case I doubt the husband would have joked around like that, but still.

Hopefully they just say "oh, that sucks, we'll be careful from now on" and they won't be legally separated.
 

Malak

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What's ridiculous is the way some people are able to impose their own dogmatic beliefs on others. There are some fucked up things in Christianity as well, but in most Christian nations, what one Christian scholar or another says can't be used as law. In (some) Muslim countries, government and religion are completely intertwined.

One of the reasons I dislike religion. Christianity itself has no laws, just cults like Catholicism and other sects based on it do. They are entirely man-made and not biblical, some even contradict the bible.
 

AstroManLuca

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One of the reasons I dislike religion. Christianity itself has no laws, just cults like Catholicism and other sects based on it do. They are entirely man-made and not biblical, some even contradict the bible.

That strikes me as more of a problem with human nature, not a problem with religion.

I dislike certain aspects of religion, I dislike the way some people twist religion in order to get something they want, but religion itself is too big to distill down into one thing that you can simply like or dislike. Religious beliefs have resulted in countless good things and countless bad things happening.
 

dainthomas

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I live my life according to a book that was written thousands of years ago, and things in my life are pretty damn good. Can you suggest a perhaps recent book that's better for one to live their life according to? Because as far as I know there isn't one.

If you lived your life ENTIRELY by that book, you'd likely be in jail (or dead).