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Get ready for the BMW 3-series GT

Should do brisk business in Europe, I'm sure. And if it maintains the same performance / fuel economy of a regular 3-series with the same drivetrain, I see nothing wrong with someone wanting a bit more practicality.

There is already (and will continue to be) a 3-series station wagon (or 'Estate', as it's properly known across the pond), but I don't think they bother importing them here due to our ludicrous obsession with SUVs.
 
Originally posted by: Kadarin
So why do they call them "estate wagons" there and "station wagons" here?
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For the same reason they have boots, people carriers, petrol, lorries, etc. 😉
 
that 5 series hatch is ugly. i wonder if the taper gets slightly better emmpeegee due to tear drop effect like the crx and prius
 
it started with the X6 what-is-that-thing and now they're moving down the line... :thumbsdown:
 
Smart move (EDIT) financially (/EDIT) on BMW's part as the gas price increase and sudden focus on the environment prevent people from ever purchasing a full-blown SUV simply out of guilt.

The crossover is a perfect compromise for people who really do need a SUV but don't want the stigma of buying a gas guzzling, smoke spewing, SUV.

Bye bye SUV, hello crossover. Doesn't really matter considering 99% of SUV owners never took their "precious" further than the asphalt where going over a non-paved gravel road is considered off-roading.

The SUV was an abomination and should never had existed. Want the room and space of a minivan but don't want the soccer-mom image? Crossover, here we come.
 
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Should do brisk business in Europe, I'm sure. And if it maintains the same performance / fuel economy of a regular 3-series with the same drivetrain, I see nothing wrong with someone wanting a bit more practicality.

There is already (and will continue to be) a 3-series station wagon (or 'Estate', as it's properly known across the pond), but I don't think they bother importing them here due to our ludicrous obsession with SUVs.
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We do get 3 series Wagons. They're not popular but they are imported and sold in the US. I've seen E46 and E90/92 wagons.

The thing with this is that it looks pretty much like a wagon BMW3. Might as well just convert the wagon to this style instead of having 2 different product lines.
 
Originally posted by: KIAman
Smart move (EDIT) financially (/EDIT) on BMW's part as the gas price increase and sudden focus on the environment prevent people from ever purchasing a full-blown SUV simply out of guilt.

The crossover is a perfect compromise for people who really do need a SUV but don't want the stigma of buying a gas guzzling, smoke spewing, SUV.

Bye bye SUV, hello crossover. Doesn't really matter considering 99% of SUV owners never took their "precious" further than the asphalt where going over a non-paved gravel road is considered off-roading.

The SUV was an abomination and should never had existed. Want the room and space of a minivan but don't want the soccer-mom image? Crossover, here we come.
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- why isn't the X5 considered a crossover already?
- ever hear of a clean diesel SUV that gets 23mpg? Plenty of hybrid small-mid SUVs out there that get above 20mpg too.
- BMW doesn't do minivans
- SUVs are capable of going off-road, but it is your problem if you think they SHOULD. You're the one who's stuck on the marketing then. They have plenty of other uses, and minivan handling is just about the worst... it's not always about the soccer-mom image... our next vehicle will be a minivan but I am not looking forward to driving a boat.

- what's the difference between a crossover and an SUV that you're willing to accept the former but not the latter? Get with the times... they have been nearly identical for years now. How many are even on truck frames anymore?
 
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: rh71
- why isn't the X5 considered a crossover already?
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*Groan* Because it isn't. Jeez, you're like a dog with a bone.
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You're like the guy who argues because nobody listens to you otherwise. It's a recurring theme and it isn't even just with me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_SUV

search for X5, multiple times.

When it comes down to what makes a crossover, it's basically an SUV on a car platform. They are nearly identical these days as I already said. I really didn't like the bubble cars like the Murano when it first came out... but most SUVs are morphing because that's what the market commands. So I ask again, what keeps a vehicle like an X5 strictly an SUV?
 
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: rh71
- why isn't the X5 considered a crossover already?
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*Groan* Because it isn't. Jeez, you're like a dog with a bone.
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You're like the guy who argues because nobody listens to you otherwise. It's a recurring theme and it isn't even just with me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_SUV

search for X5, multiple times.

When it comes down to what makes a crossover, it's basically an SUV on a car platform. They are nearly identical these days as I already said. I really didn't like the bubble cars like the Murano when it first came out... but most SUVs are morphing because that's what the market commands. So I ask again, what keeps a vehicle like an X5 strictly an SUV?
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More like the other way around. Plenty of users have called you out on your 'SAV' comments and such like. Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it so.

You drive a seven seat truck. Get used to it.
 
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: rh71
- why isn't the X5 considered a crossover already?
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*Groan* Because it isn't. Jeez, you're like a dog with a bone.
Click to expand...

You're like the guy who argues because nobody listens to you otherwise. It's a recurring theme and it isn't even just with me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_SUV

search for X5, multiple times.

When it comes down to what makes a crossover, it's basically an SUV on a car platform. They are nearly identical these days as I already said. I really didn't like the bubble cars like the Murano when it first came out... but most SUVs are morphing because that's what the market commands. So I ask again, what keeps a vehicle like an X5 strictly an SUV?
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More like the other way around. Plenty of users have called you out on your 'SAV' comments and such like. Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it so.

You drive a seven seat truck. Get used to it.
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So no response about the crossover issue?

My X is 5 seats, and I love the space - twin stroller, 2 baby carriers, and Costco stuff all in the back and room to spare - I don't think "get used to it" hurts my feelings. Nobody but you has even mentioned SAV to me after I said it once (with the notion that it's just marketing too, I may add - yet you still jumped on it probably because you skipped over the rest of my sentence in such jovial haste - you're not clever, actually... predictable). I will bet anything you like that you can't find another comment on it. Plenty of users calling me out? I laugh in your general direction.

So no response about the crossover issue? So I ask again, what keeps a vehicle like an X5 strictly an SUV and not a crossover?
 
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: KIAman
Smart move (EDIT) financially (/EDIT) on BMW's part as the gas price increase and sudden focus on the environment prevent people from ever purchasing a full-blown SUV simply out of guilt.

The crossover is a perfect compromise for people who really do need a SUV but don't want the stigma of buying a gas guzzling, smoke spewing, SUV.

Bye bye SUV, hello crossover. Doesn't really matter considering 99% of SUV owners never took their "precious" further than the asphalt where going over a non-paved gravel road is considered off-roading.

The SUV was an abomination and should never had existed. Want the room and space of a minivan but don't want the soccer-mom image? Crossover, here we come.
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1. - why isn't the X5 considered a crossover already?
2. - ever hear of a clean diesel SUV that gets 23mpg? Plenty of hybrid small-mid SUVs out there that get above 20mpg too.
3. - BMW doesn't do minivans
4. - SUVs are capable of going off-road, but it is your problem if you think they SHOULD. You're the one who's stuck on the marketing then. They have plenty of other uses, and minivan handling is just about the worst... it's not always about the soccer-mom image... our next vehicle will be a minivan but I am not looking forward to driving a boat.

5. - what's the difference between a crossover and an SUV that you're willing to accept the former but not the latter? Get with the times... they have been nearly identical for years now. How many are even on truck frames anymore?
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1. Because it competes with current SUV models. Regardless of the construction or the lack of off roading capabilities.

2. Yes. What's your point? I said people don't want to buy SUV because of the stigma of the "image" of an SUV and its negative association.

3. ? Yes, and I like pizza. Obviously I am missing your point on something here.

4. I never asserted that SUV should/could/would/require to go offroad. It's a fact most owners never take their SUV offroad. A SUV is about the worst car you can purchase regarding safety. Comparing a similarly priced minivan, a minivan does everything better, including handling, except for the X3/X5 and Q5/Q6. Those are built around their respective sedans shouldn't even qualify as a SUV... except that they compete with them in sales.

5. I, personally, have a clear understanding on the differences between a crossover and a SUV. It's the masses of other people who have purchasing power who do not understand anything except the "image" of a vehicle. The marketing image of a crossover is clearly different than the stigma of a SUV. That's all there needs to be and people will jump on the crossover bandwagon, just like people jumped on the SUV bandwagon (it was insane, my city went from a 1 to 5 suv/truck to car ratio to a 2/1 suv/truck ratio overnight).

Crossovers are something a little cooler than a wagon (if they continue to market as such) but have more room. That's why you see some interesting styling choices for a crossover to clearly differentiate the two.
 
Originally posted by: KIAman

5. I, personally, have a clear understanding on the differences between a crossover and a SUV. It's the masses of other people who have purchasing power who do not understand anything except the "image" of a vehicle. The marketing image of a crossover is clearly different than the stigma of a SUV. That's all there needs to be and people will jump on the crossover bandwagon, just like people jumped on the SUV bandwagon (it was insane, my city went from a 1 to 5 suv/truck to car ratio to a 2/1 suv/truck ratio overnight).
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You, personally, have a clear understanding on the differences...? What does that mean? Nowhere in there did you state the actual differences other than people's perceptions based on terms. That's like saying there's no difference except for what you think they are.

About the whole SUV bandwagon thing... I'm going to try this one more time because there's still an inkling of a chance that haters will comprehend the idea at some point. When manufacturers release a product, giving it complete practicality in everyday life (which vehicles tend to be used for), then why wouldn't people jump to it? People jumped off it for a time because they may have other issues such as finances for gas, or they found a sedan was fine and didn't want the extra expense, but the product is still a good product. You may hate the thought of the latest craze (this is AT right), but you cannot deny that these vehicles remain useful at any time, just like a minivan, but the tradeoff for a bit more room vs. 4wd/clearance is there.

I mean, when you buy a sports car, do you gun it from 0-60 in 5.5 secs that often? I bought a 3.0 for $10k less than a 4.8 because I don't think those extra 1.3 seconds getting to 60mph are a factor in my life (and that's really the only difference). Hell, I didn't need a 3.0 anything, but it's sufficient for my liking and it's a great driving practical vehicle... need is never an argument... if they offer something that's convenient and practical, there will be people who seriously consider it. If there's anything that's impractical, it is your typical sports car, and nobody ever hates those... :roll: Why? Excuses... go.
 
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