Get ready for the BMW 3-series GT

[rh71]

btw, I find it interesting that *somebody* went to that crossover wiki article and removed the X5 from it TODAY.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde...f=prev&oldid=295963509
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde...f=prev&oldid=295963776

IP: 93.96.120.30... United Kingdom... is that you Zero? :laugh:

You are fricken pathetic.

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: JDub02
wonder how this counts for CAFE standards .. car or SUV

crossover

so that's why we get these things. they make an ugly car, call it a SUV, and categorize it as a truck. 😛

 

[KIAman]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: KIAman

5. I, personally, have a clear understanding on the differences between a crossover and a SUV. It's the masses of other people who have purchasing power who do not understand anything except the "image" of a vehicle. The marketing image of a crossover is clearly different than the stigma of a SUV. That's all there needs to be and people will jump on the crossover bandwagon, just like people jumped on the SUV bandwagon (it was insane, my city went from a 1 to 5 suv/truck to car ratio to a 2/1 suv/truck ratio overnight).

You, personally, have a clear understanding on the differences...? What does that mean? Nowhere in there did you state the actual differences other than people's perceptions based on terms. That's like saying there's no difference except for what you think they are.

About the whole SUV bandwagon thing... I'm going to try this one more time because there's still an inkling of a chance that haters will comprehend the idea at some point. When manufacturers release a product, giving it complete practicality in everyday life (which vehicles tend to be used for), then why wouldn't people jump to it? People jumped off it for a time because they may have other issues such as finances for gas, or they found a sedan was fine and didn't want the extra expense, but the product is still a good product. You may hate the thought of the latest craze (this is AT right), but you cannot deny that these vehicles remain useful at any time, just like a minivan, but the tradeoff for a bit more room vs. 4wd/clearance is there.

I mean, when you buy a sports car, do you gun it from 0-60 in 5.5 secs that often? I bought a 3.0 for $10k less than a 4.8 because I don't think those extra 1.3 seconds getting to 60mph are a factor in my life (and that's really the only difference). Hell, I didn't need a 3.0 anything, but it's sufficient for my liking and it's a great driving practical vehicle... need is never an argument... if they offer something that's convenient and practical, there will be people who seriously consider it. If there's anything that's impractical, it is your typical sports car, and nobody ever hates those... :roll: Why? Excuses... go.

Bingo, now you are getting it.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: KIAman
Bingo, now you are getting it.

no, I don't get it because you said:

The SUV was an abomination and should never had existed. Want the room and space of a minivan but don't want the soccer-mom image? Crossover, here we come.

You think SUVs suck, yet the crossover is acceptable and have the same utility. You think the only difference is in people's minds, yet have a clear understanding of the difference between an SUV and a crossover.

Umm... what? Are you in middle management or recently took a class on double-speak?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: rh71
- why isn't the X5 considered a crossover already?

*Groan* Because it isn't. Jeez, you're like a dog with a bone.

You're like the guy who argues because nobody listens to you otherwise. It's a recurring theme and it isn't even just with me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_SUV

search for X5, multiple times.

When it comes down to what makes a crossover, it's basically an SUV on a car platform. They are nearly identical these days as I already said. I really didn't like the bubble cars like the Murano when it first came out... but most SUVs are morphing because that's what the market commands. So I ask again, what keeps a vehicle like an X5 strictly an SUV?

More like the other way around. Plenty of users have called you out on your 'SAV' comments and such like. Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it so.

You drive a seven seat truck. Get used to it.

So no response about the crossover issue?

My X is 5 seats, and I love the space - twin stroller, 2 baby carriers, and Costco stuff all in the back and room to spare - I don't think "get used to it" hurts my feelings. Nobody but you has even mentioned SAV to me after I said it once (with the notion that it's just marketing too, I may add - yet you still jumped on it probably because you skipped over the rest of my sentence in such jovial haste - you're not clever, actually... predictable). I will bet anything you like that you can't find another comment on it. Plenty of users calling me out? I laugh in your general direction.

So no response about the crossover issue? So I ask again, what keeps a vehicle like an X5 strictly an SUV and not a crossover?

Well the jokes on you considering the post right after this one was someone calling you out on it. 😀

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: rh71
btw, I find it interesting that *somebody* went to that crossover wiki article and removed the X5 from it TODAY.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde...f=prev&oldid=295963509
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde...f=prev&oldid=295963776

IP: 93.96.120.30... United Kingdom... is that you Zero? :laugh:

You are fricken pathetic.

Yes it was. It shows you how reliable as a source Wikipedia is. Glad you found it. My point has been made and now you have to find another source that is actually credible. 😎

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Is there any way we could have a BMW thread here without you two bickering about rh71's X5? I don't care if it's an SAV, an SUV, a "truck," or a crossover - it isn't the topic of discussion here.

 

[GoatMonkey]

Finally someone has brought back the sleek lines of the Chevrolet Citation.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Is there any way we could have a BMW thread here without you two bickering about rh71's X5? I don't care if it's an SAV, an SUV, a "truck," or a crossover - it isn't the topic of discussion here.

The day he doesn't act all butthurt if someone calls it an SUV. Or a sports car, or whatever he wants it to be this week.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Is there any way we could have a BMW thread here without you two bickering about rh71's X5? I don't care if it's an SAV, an SUV, a "truck," or a crossover - it isn't the topic of discussion here.

The day he doesn't act all butthurt if someone calls it an SUV. Or a sports car, or whatever he wants it to be this week.

I'm much more an M3 guy than an X5 guy, but it does seem to me you take excessive pleasure in picking on his X5.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
Is there any way we could have a BMW thread here without you two bickering about rh71's X5? I don't care if it's an SAV, an SUV, a "truck," or a crossover - it isn't the topic of discussion here.

The day he doesn't act all butthurt if someone calls it an SUV. Or a sports car, or whatever he wants it to be this week.

I'm much more an M3 guy than an X5 guy, but it does seem to me you take excessive pleasure in picking on his X5.

I really don't mind them, but sometimes his attitude about it grinds my gears. He came off with the Crossover BS before I even piped up. It's not about my car, it's about trying to get people to not be 'that BMW guy', know what I mean? I hardly ever mention my car unless asked.

 

[RichUK]

:laugh:

I approve of this thread. 😎

Now, as you were?

 

[SSSnail]

Sibling rivalry at its finest :laugh:

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Well the jokes on you considering the post right after this one was someone calling you out on it. 😀

Don't tell me you're talking about KIA's comments... you're delusional. Where is SAV mentioned? You really can't find another one can you?

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: rh71
btw, I find it interesting that *somebody* went to that crossover wiki article and removed the X5 from it TODAY.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde...f=prev&oldid=295963509
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde...f=prev&oldid=295963776

IP: 93.96.120.30... United Kingdom... is that you Zero? :laugh:

You are fricken pathetic.

Yes it was. It shows you how reliable as a source Wikipedia is. Glad you found it. My point has been made and now you have to find another source that is actually credible. 😎

LOL so nothing on that document is true? A Q7, a direct competitor, is not a crossover?

Can you change google? http://www.google.com/search?c...pera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Says crossover in plenty of places. Wishing it away won't help you.

I was responding to KIA's remark that SUVs aren't crossovers... that's why it's relevant. I actually pipe in in most SUV convos because of the haters... which includes you, obviously. Done it before I even got this car... just ask Jules. You're the only one stuck on this whole BMW thing. All I care about is that I bought the best SUV/SAV/crossover available. What BMW guy are you talking about? I was never a BMW-name-whore and still put other BMW models down frequently & fairly.

You said it wasn't a crossover and have still yet to tell me why. What is the definition of a crossover? You want to make a statement and run away again? Go for it. You never said anything after learning about adaptive drive, did you? Butthurt? You're actually the one talking out of your ass, again. If you're going to put me down because of attitude, at least know what you're talking about. Don't pretend to be smarter than you're capable of.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
I'm much more an M3 guy than an X5 guy, but it does seem to me you take excessive pleasure in picking on his X5.

Which is funny because Zero is the one who called out Jules for always picking on my SUVs. I guess he couldn't let him have all the attention either.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
I'm much more an M3 guy than an X5 guy, but it does seem to me you take excessive pleasure in picking on his X5.

Which is funny because Zero is the one who called out Jules for always picking on my SUVs. I guess he couldn't let him have all the attention either.

I was wondering how long it would take before my name came up in this thread...:roll:

Please, do me a favor and leave me out of your ridiculous little e-peen sword fight.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
I'm much more an M3 guy than an X5 guy, but it does seem to me you take excessive pleasure in picking on his X5.

Which is funny because Zero is the one who called out Jules for always picking on my SUVs. I guess he couldn't let him have all the attention either.

I was wondering how long it would take before my name came up in this thread...:roll:

Please, do me a favor and leave me out of your ridiculous little e-peen sword fight.

You're right, it is ridiculous... everytime he says something baseless just to get at me... how can I resist not responding when it's so easy to prove him wrong? Oh that sounds like reasons I respond to you... except your hate isn't personal.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Nobody here 'hates' you, poor little martyr, and nothing I say is baseless. Most of your ranting is just delusional. I don't get why you jump down peoples throat when they call your car an SUV. SAV is analogous, and you know it, that's the sad part.

Go and take a look at the BMW US site and find me any sentence, any at all, that mentions the term 'Crossover' in relation to the X5. Hell, they even go the the lengths of stating the X3 is 'the farthest thing from an SUV', which in my opinion is pushing the definition, but would obviously mean that the X5...is not.

Admitting it to yourself is the first step to setting yourself free. Either that or I have a Tractor in my Garage.

Google fight.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I don't get why you jump down peoples throat when they call your car an SUV. SAV is analogous, and you know it, that's the sad part.

Why don't you ever understand the whole argument before you speak? Last time you thought I was comparing to M cars when I clearly was not. I point out the evidence that I wasn't by quoting earlier statements and you said nothing after that but started going off on another tangent.

Now you think I get offended when someone calls my car something... it's not even about my car - you made it personal, again... jealousy (from attention - that's not there) issues. This whole thing started with an SUV hater and I wanted to know why today's SUVs weren't crossovers, giving a clear example and definition, which by the way, you still have not. You refuse to even acknowledge its definition. Citing marketing material by a company to determine what class of vehicle it really is? Seriously? Then where's the rest of the market's sport activity coupes? Once again you're stretching to prove a point. And you started with the whole SAV thing here... I don't care if you call it that or an SUV, you think I do for whatever reason. 😕 You've twisted yourself around trying to find something to argue other than the actual sentence you started with... you've lost your own point. You must've tried to argue 5 different things in the X5 M thread... the same thing happened there.

You're like the guy who argues because nobody listens to you otherwise.

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: rh71
- why isn't the X5 considered a crossover already?

*Groan* Because it isn't.

What is the definition of a crossover vehicle?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
I don't get why you jump down peoples throat when they call your car an SUV. SAV is analogous, and you know it, that's the sad part.

Why don't you ever understand the whole argument before you speak? Last time you thought I was comparing to M cars when I clearly was not. I point out the evidence that I wasn't by quoting earlier statements and you said nothing after that but started going off on another tangent.

Now you think I get offended when someone calls my car something... it's not even about my car - you made it personal, again... jealousy (from attention - that's not there) issues. This whole thing started with an SUV hater and I wanted to know why today's SUVs weren't crossovers, giving a clear example and definition, which by the way, you still have not. You refuse to even acknowledge its definition. Citing marketing material by a company to determine what class of vehicle it really is? Seriously? Then where's the rest of the market's sport activity coupes? Once again you're stretching to prove a point. And you started with the whole SAV thing here... I don't care if you call it that or an SUV, you think I do for whatever reason. 😕 You've twisted yourself around trying to find something to argue other than the actual sentence you started with... you've lost your own point. You must've tried to argue 5 different things in the X5 M thread... the same thing happened there.

You're like the guy who argues because nobody listens to you otherwise.

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: rh71
- why isn't the X5 considered a crossover already?

*Groan* Because it isn't.

What is the definition of a crossover vehicle?

Oh god, you are really hard work...

The last thing I am is jealous of you. Why would I be? I own two BMW cars. I'd love to see how you got to that interesting conclusion... LOL, you ARE 'that' BMW guy, CONFIRMED. Did you get the X5 so it would be easier to look down your nose at other drivers?!

Last time you and me crossed you were calling the X5 a sports car. I know you'll whine and moan about that thread, but it's done, it's not and that's it. This time it's a 'Cross over'. You jumped down KIAman's throat with great venom when he called it an SUV. I called you on it, too, your panties bunched and here we are. Maybe you should check YOUR attitude, or get off your High Horse. You decide.

I would define a crossover as a sedan derived vehicle with extended off road capability, but find it laughable that you don't think BMW can't classify their own cars. It's not a crossover, you're wrong, go and take a nap, chill out, then post back when you have stopped shaking with anger at that statement. 😀

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

The last thing I am is jealous of you. Why would I be? I own two BMW cars. I'd love to see how you got to that interesting conclusion... LOL, you ARE 'that' BMW guy, CONFIRMED. Did you get the X5 so it would be easier to look down your nose at other drivers?!

- you're not reading, again. I had to put it in parenthesis because you are so fricken predictable. Again it's not about brand or because I have a better anything. You're trying to pull me down in these threads because you feel I'm trying to get attention because of what car I own. Did you skip the part about me doing this in every SUV thread even when I had an Isuzu? Where were you then? You have to be some better BMW guy? Who's comparing BMWs? You. My next vehicle will be a Toyota or Honda minivan.

Last time you and me crossed you were calling the X5 a sports car. I know you'll whine and moan about that thread, but it's done, it's not and that's it. This time it's a 'Cross over'. You jumped down KIAman's throat with great venom when he called it an SUV. I called you on it, too, your panties bunched and here we are. Maybe you should check YOUR attitude, or get off your High Horse. You decide.

- you're not reading, again. I never called it a sports car. I said the way it handles rivals a regular series BMW (and went on to say I fully use its SUV space - best of both worlds). I showed why I feel that way and all you can say about it is you drove one, and it wasn't even the same one, you fucking twit. I link adaptive drive, a $3700 option which gives it this capability, and after pages and pages of random other arguments you tried to use to deflect your inexperience with the topic, you finally shut up. No retort, just plain shut up. Hilarious.

I would define a crossover as a sedan derived vehicle with extended off road capability, but find it laughable that you don't think BMW can't classify their own cars. It's not a crossover, you're wrong, go and take a nap, chill out, then post back when you have stopped shaking with anger at that statement. 😀

Extended off road capability? In a crossover? Now I know why you contested this in the first place... you really are clueless. Why don't you go edit the crossover wiki page, and google too.

 

[SSSnail]

Here, let me help. It's a fuking SUV, now end this ridiculous argument.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

The last thing I am is jealous of you. Why would I be? I own two BMW cars. I'd love to see how you got to that interesting conclusion... LOL, you ARE 'that' BMW guy, CONFIRMED. Did you get the X5 so it would be easier to look down your nose at other drivers?!

- you're not reading, again. I had to put it in parenthesis because you are so fricken predictable. Again it's not about brand or because I have a better anything. You're trying to pull me down in these threads because you feel I'm trying to get attention because of what car I own. Did you skip the part about me doing this in every SUV thread even when I had an Isuzu? Where were you then? You have to be some better BMW guy? Who's comparing BMWs? You. My next vehicle will be a Toyota or Honda minivan.

Last time you and me crossed you were calling the X5 a sports car. I know you'll whine and moan about that thread, but it's done, it's not and that's it. This time it's a 'Cross over'. You jumped down KIAman's throat with great venom when he called it an SUV. I called you on it, too, your panties bunched and here we are. Maybe you should check YOUR attitude, or get off your High Horse. You decide.

- you're not reading, again. I never called it a sports car. I said the way it handles rivals a regular series BMW (and went on to say I fully use its SUV space - best of both worlds). I showed why I feel that way and all you can say about it is you drove one, and it wasn't even the same one, you fucking twit. I link adaptive drive, a $3700 option which gives it this capability, and after pages and pages of random other arguments you tried to use to deflect your inexperience with the topic, you finally shut up. No retort, just plain shut up. Hilarious.

I would define a crossover as a sedan derived vehicle with extended off road capability, but find it laughable that you don't think BMW can't classify their own cars. It's not a crossover, you're wrong, go and take a nap, chill out, then post back when you have stopped shaking with anger at that statement. 😀

Extended off road capability? In a crossover? Now I know why you contested this in the first place... you really are clueless. Why don't you go edit the crossover wiki page, and google too.

I clearly have vastly more experience with almost all types of cars. I've owned most of them. You've owned...two...SUV's. Nice going calling ME clueless when you've got the breadth of experience of an 18yr old. But really, fuck adaptive drive, it's like giving a one legged man crutches. He walks much better than every other crippled man who doesn't have crutches. Big whoop. If I shut up, it's because you go on like a fishwife with sand in her vagina and to be honest I'm a very busy man with real work to do. You caught me at the weekend, so I can spend plenty of time wasting yours.

Well anyhow, now you're claiming I can't read and calling me names, but the funny part is 'extended off road capability' means 'in addition to that of a regular car'. Reading comprehension is not your forte, clearly. Name calling in itself renders this discussion pointless, as you are just foaming at the mouth. You lose. Let me know when you get out of your little bubble you live in.

It's a fucking SUV. :gift:

 

[rh71]

Congratulations, by your definition, the X5 is a crossover vehicle too. You've wasted your precious time proving yourself wrong. Glad I can help.

and your buddy KIA wrote:
except for the X3/X5 and Q5/Q6. Those are built around their respective sedans shouldn't even qualify as a SUV...

You're like the guy who argues because nobody listens to you otherwise.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: rh71
Congratulations, by your definition, the X5 is a crossover vehicle too. You've wasted your precious time proving yourself wrong. Glad I can help.

and your buddy KIA wrote:
except for the X3/X5 and Q5/Q6. Those are built around their respective sedans shouldn't even qualify as a SUV...

You're like the guy who argues because nobody listens to you otherwise.

What sedan body is the X5 based on again? Oh yeah, nothing. FAIL.